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 white_horse June 18 2012 22:45. Posts 951 | Profile # |
On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you?
If you are going to get nitpicky in that kind of a way, I can say right back that the guy in the original alien got close to a facehugger egg because it didn't appear aggressive at all in any way. Thats just an honest mistake. In the prometheus scene, heres this creepy looking alien snake that is baring its fangs at you and hissing. See the difference? Someone might be curious enough to check out some alien egg. But being curious about an alien snake that looks like its about to eat your face? The biologist should have run like hell after seeing that.
It's not just the little things like these that people are disappointed about; its the fact that someone like ridley scott oversaw a movie with very high potential and ended up with a steaming pile of crap instead. The movie was really cool for sure...but it ultimately stands as a mediocre one. |
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| -Archangel- Croatia. June 19 2012 00:55. Posts 3609 | Profile # |
On June 18 2012 22:45 white_horse wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you?
If you are going to get nitpicky in that kind of a way, I can say right back that the guy in the original alien got close to a facehugger egg because it didn't appear aggressive at all in any way. Thats just an honest mistake. In the prometheus scene, heres this creepy looking alien snake that is baring its fangs at you and hissing. See the difference? Someone might be curious enough to check out some alien egg. But being curious about an alien snake that looks like its about to eat your face? The biologist should have run like hell after seeing that. It's not just the little things like these that people are disappointed about; its the fact that someone like ridley scott oversaw a movie with very high potential and ended up with a steaming pile of crap instead. The movie was really cool for sure...but it ultimately stands as a mediocre one.
Again I don't agree with you. That scene is as bad as the one in Prometheus. Actually it is so similar that it is clearly a homage to Alien.
I don't care what "the people" are disappointed in. To me the movie worked and was OK. It actually required thinking and it didn't spoon feed the audience. I actually needed to research stuff after the movie to be sure I understand everything. I actually cared enough to do that. Last time I cared enough for this was Inception. A lot of time passed between these 2 movies.
Could it been better? Yes. Some scenes could have used a more detailed explanations. Things like how did those two guys lose their way or why did the Captain ignore the signals of life from the probe.
But 85% of the complaints I read here or other forums are nitpicking or people expecting too much from this movie.Last edit: 2012-06-19 00:56:46 |
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| Detri United Kingdom. June 19 2012 01:16. Posts 531 | Profile # |
Amazing cinema been a while since I have seen a film which I instantly wanted to re-watch (Drive being the last), The opening scenes are breathtaking. Friends of mine have said they hated it and didn't even see how it was a prequel but more of a story set in the same universe, they clearly watched a different film to me. 9/10
But for the haters... what did you expect? Have you even seen Alien?
Watch the original, if you think its slow or dull then don't bother. |
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| kwizach June 19 2012 01:22. Posts 1209 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 00:55 -Archangel- wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 22:45 white_horse wrote:
On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you?
If you are going to get nitpicky in that kind of a way, I can say right back that the guy in the original alien got close to a facehugger egg because it didn't appear aggressive at all in any way. Thats just an honest mistake. In the prometheus scene, heres this creepy looking alien snake that is baring its fangs at you and hissing. See the difference? Someone might be curious enough to check out some alien egg. But being curious about an alien snake that looks like its about to eat your face? The biologist should have run like hell after seeing that. It's not just the little things like these that people are disappointed about; its the fact that someone like ridley scott oversaw a movie with very high potential and ended up with a steaming pile of crap instead. The movie was really cool for sure...but it ultimately stands as a mediocre one.
Again I don't agree with you. That scene is as bad as the one in Prometheus. Actually it is so similar that it is clearly a homage to Alien.
How the hell is it as bad as the one in Prometheus? In Alien, we have a random joe who's basically the space equivalent of a truck driver being confronted with a sort of egg opening. To his knowledge, no creature is ever dangerous at birth. In Prometheus, we have an actual biologist who is confronted with a alien snake displaying clear aggressive behavior - and not any kind of aggressive behavior: the exact same kind of aggressive behavior that can be found on Earth. See the difference?
Random joe vs Top-of-his-field biologist
Egg opening vs Alien snake
On Earth creatures are not dangerous at birth vs On Earth the behavior displayed indicates imminent attack
If the Prometheus scene was in a movie like Final destination everyone would agree on how laughingly bad it was, but somehow because it's Prometheus some people just refuse to admit it was very clearly bad writing.Last edit: 2012-06-19 01:25:25 |
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 CaptainCrush United States. June 19 2012 01:23. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
Now that you mention the opening scene:
+ Show Spoiler +why in the world did that guy drink the little vial of nasty stuff? I assume he knew it was going to kill him. And why was the spaceship just waiting there for him to do it? |
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| Rayeth United States. June 19 2012 01:28. Posts 536 | Profile Blog # |
Sci-Fi movie was a Sci-Fi movie. I don't know what anyone was expecting. 99% of Science Fiction movies are not written by scientists (maybe they consult with a few but not about these sorts of details), plus they do a lot of things to make the movie have a plot. If everyone in the movie acted rationally and just played it safe, we wouldn't have a movie to watch because no one would have ever gone to the planet in the first place. The "scientists" would be in a room with some suits pleading for funding and being laughed at. Not a very fun movie, unless you like laughing a weird scientists, I guess.
The little plot holes will in some part be explained by the inevitable Director's Cut (this is a Ridley Scott movie, so there are likely a LOT of cut scenes). The big ones about character motivation will probably go down as poor writing. Oh well.
Damn the haters, there hasn't been much in the way of REAL sci-fi in movies for a while so I was happy to go see Prometheus and I had a great time watching it. |
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| kwizach June 19 2012 01:43. Posts 1209 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 01:28 Rayeth wrote:
Sci-Fi movie was a Sci-Fi movie. I don't know what anyone was expecting.
To quote someone else: "I expected a decent film from the director who did Alien, Bladerunner and Gladiator. I got Lost's rejected scripts about Space Jesus."
A sci-fi movie can be a sci-fi movie and well-written. This one wasn't. |
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| SmokeMonster Canada. June 19 2012 02:01. Posts 72 | Profile # |
The writer is Damon Lindelof. This name is a synonym for unanswered questions.
Plotholes aside, I liked the film. |
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| ghost_403 United States. June 19 2012 02:06. Posts 1753 | Profile # |
Wait, what happened to Jinro's post.
DON'T TELL ME I WAS THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW THAT. |
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 Liquid`Jinro Sweden. June 19 2012 02:17. Posts 32587 | Profile Blog # |
On June 18 2012 22:26 Brett wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:26 white_horse wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? Run in a straight line!
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking.
Then the only thing you need to know is that: 1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old. 2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building. 3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do. 4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do. Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic? Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart.
1. Says you. I don't agree. 2. That is one of the weirder scenes. Depending on what we get in Director's Cut might be a plothole, but not enough to make the movie bad. 3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you? 4. This can be explained by their advanced technology. They did look at their instruments first and those said it is OK. BTW, you must have most SF movies as like 5% of them care about stuff like alien bacteria and viruses. As for people not reacting to one of them killing a few of them, that is not bad, what is bad nobody caring Shaw just kicked their asses and did self surgery and then walking around bleeding and half naked.
There are plenty of fucking stupid actions in Alien, no doubt. If people are going to make the comparison to alien, you can't ignore them. People watch/talk about Alien with rose coloured glasses, I swear.
Sure, but most of the unreal stupidity comes across as somewhat believable arrogance/stupidity. Fresh-faced officer with no experience choking hard under real life pressure, over-confident corporation motivated by greed... Alien 4 probably had some retarded shit in it that I'm forgetting, but it was always considered the weakest of the 4 (still ways better than Prometheus tho).
The problem with the stupidity in Prometheus is that it was so completely unrealistic - made me feel like I wasn't watching real people and if I waited long enough I'd see the mask fall off to reveal the reptilian scales beneath.
Seriously never seen more oblivious reactions to important plot developments by seeming important characters. Sucks too because there's a lot of actors in there that can really do a good job if they are given half a chance.
I mean, Idris Elba happens to be THE man, and they completely waste him :[
How does this movie have a 7.7 on IMDB? /wristsLast edit: 2012-06-19 02:18:59 |
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| biology]major United States. June 19 2012 02:25. Posts 613 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 01:22 kwizach wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 00:55 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 22:45 white_horse wrote:
On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you?
If you are going to get nitpicky in that kind of a way, I can say right back that the guy in the original alien got close to a facehugger egg because it didn't appear aggressive at all in any way. Thats just an honest mistake. In the prometheus scene, heres this creepy looking alien snake that is baring its fangs at you and hissing. See the difference? Someone might be curious enough to check out some alien egg. But being curious about an alien snake that looks like its about to eat your face? The biologist should have run like hell after seeing that. It's not just the little things like these that people are disappointed about; its the fact that someone like ridley scott oversaw a movie with very high potential and ended up with a steaming pile of crap instead. The movie was really cool for sure...but it ultimately stands as a mediocre one.
Again I don't agree with you. That scene is as bad as the one in Prometheus. Actually it is so similar that it is clearly a homage to Alien.
How the hell is it as bad as the one in Prometheus? In Alien, we have a random joe who's basically the space equivalent of a truck driver being confronted with a sort of egg opening. To his knowledge, no creature is ever dangerous at birth. In Prometheus, we have an actual biologist who is confronted with a alien snake displaying clear aggressive behavior - and not any kind of aggressive behavior: the exact same kind of aggressive behavior that can be found on Earth. See the difference? Random joe vs Top-of-his-field biologist Egg opening vs Alien snake On Earth creatures are not dangerous at birth vs On Earth the behavior displayed indicates imminent attack If the Prometheus scene was in a movie like Final destination everyone would agree on how laughingly bad it was, but somehow because it's Prometheus some people just refuse to admit it was very clearly bad writing.
They are pretty close in terms of stupidity, but prometheus tops it easily (tops the stupidity). But as for some of the complaints on the movie..there was alot of unexplained stuff in Alien too and no one complained. They literally show the engineers, the ship, and then completely ignore them for the rest of the movie. Thanks for explaining nothing after showing what seems to be a major detail in why or how the face huggers got there. Prometheus offers more information than alien about the universe, and people are like too many questions !! no answers!! Even though it seems like there will be a sequel. The bad writing makes prometheus a mediocre movie (entertaining nonetheless) but not laughably bad. I could go into detail at how alot of stuff in the original alien was "stupid" or "unrealistic" but im not trying to find such things when I watch a movie, and if you are it will be very hard to enjoy anything.
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| ZasZ. United States. June 19 2012 03:02. Posts 1747 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 01:23 CaptainCrush wrote: Now that you mention the opening scene: + Show Spoiler +why in the world did that guy drink the little vial of nasty stuff? I assume he knew it was going to kill him. And why was the spaceship just waiting there for him to do it?
The assumption is that it was ritual self-sacrifice and that by drinking it his body broke down into the DNA building blocks responsible for modern day human life. Whether or not the planet he is on is actually Earth is another matter entirely, and possibly something to be addressed in future movies.
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| Defacer Canada. June 19 2012 03:05. Posts 4811 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 02:17 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 22:26 Brett wrote:
On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:26 white_horse wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking.
Then the only thing you need to know is that: 1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old. 2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building. 3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do. 4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do. Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic? Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart.
1. Says you. I don't agree. 2. That is one of the weirder scenes. Depending on what we get in Director's Cut might be a plothole, but not enough to make the movie bad. 3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you? 4. This can be explained by their advanced technology. They did look at their instruments first and those said it is OK. BTW, you must have most SF movies as like 5% of them care about stuff like alien bacteria and viruses. As for people not reacting to one of them killing a few of them, that is not bad, what is bad nobody caring Shaw just kicked their asses and did self surgery and then walking around bleeding and half naked.
There are plenty of fucking stupid actions in Alien, no doubt. If people are going to make the comparison to alien, you can't ignore them. People watch/talk about Alien with rose coloured glasses, I swear.
Sure, but most of the unreal stupidity comes across as somewhat believable arrogance/stupidity. Fresh-faced officer with no experience choking hard under real life pressure, over-confident corporation motivated by greed... Alien 4 probably had some retarded shit in it that I'm forgetting, but it was always considered the weakest of the 4 (still ways better than Prometheus tho). The problem with the stupidity in Prometheus is that it was so completely unrealistic - made me feel like I wasn't watching real people and if I waited long enough I'd see the mask fall off to reveal the reptilian scales beneath. Seriously never seen more oblivious reactions to important plot developments by seeming important characters. Sucks too because there's a lot of actors in there that can really do a good job if they are given half a chance. I mean, Idris Elba happens to be THE man, and they completely waste him :[ How does this movie have a 7.7 on IMDB? /wrists
Something is fundamentally wrong with a movie when I guy like Jinro can't resist the urge to explain how stupid it was.
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| chaoser United States. June 19 2012 09:45. Posts 5538 | Profile Blog # |
| I mean, I feel like the biggest plothole is the question of why the fuck did the Engineers leave a star map...to a military facility?? |
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| ilikeredheads Canada. June 19 2012 09:57. Posts 520 | Profile # |
I still can't get over the fact that the biologist freaks out when he sees a pile of dead bodies but when he sees an unknown worm like creature, he goes "hello kitty kitty" -_-;
...or how the guy with the mapping device somehow gets lost even though they maintained CONSTANT communication with the ship. |
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| emc United States. June 19 2012 10:07. Posts 2909 | Profile # |
| I liked the movie. But here is the difference between me and an angry aliens fan. I love ALIENS, but I don't get upset about movies that ruin Aliens because... ALIENS still exists as a great movie. Some of you guys must STILL be salty about Aliens Resurrection huh? I went to the movie for enjoyment and that's what I got. I realize that every movie in the history of the world will eventually get ruined by hollywood, so just suck it up and enjoy it and learn to block out stupid shit that means nothing to nobody. I mean honestly, who cares about a small detail in a movie, it's not like it's going to ruin your life. |
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| zoLo United States. June 19 2012 10:13. Posts 4513 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 09:45 chaoser wrote:
I mean, I feel like the biggest plothole is the question of why the fuck did the Engineers leave a star map...to a military facility??
I don't consider that a plot hole at all. A plot hole that relates to that is why the Engineers wanted to eliminate the human race (unless you want to count the crucified Space Jesus)? Why would they not have a star map in a military base? Earth might not be their only target, but many others. The Engineers maybe highly intelligent, but the chance of them not knowing the galaxy by heart is there. Most of these guys might have just been soldiers and not the scientific ones.Last edit: 2012-06-19 10:14:57 |
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| mostevil United Kingdom. June 19 2012 11:17. Posts 368 | Profile # |
On June 19 2012 09:45 chaoser wrote:
I mean, I feel like the biggest plothole is the question of why the fuck did the Engineers leave a star map...to a military facility??
Hints were that they wanted to test their bio weapons on sufficiently advanced humanoids so they grew a bunch and went to sleep for a bit till some caught up. Weird plan but none of the other characters actions or motivations made any kind of sense either.
On June 19 2012 02:17 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
I mean, Idris Elba happens to be THE man, and they completely waste him :[
Waste him! He was fundamental to the delicately woven tapestry of prome-plot. + Show Spoiler + I mean he sleeps with random angry there for no reason girl #2 and then suicides his ship because a religious nutter a scientist tells him to, and he completely and expertly ignores all the other stuff going on. Writing doesn't get any better than that...
Damnit Ridley, it's a month ago now and I'm still upset that I'm not getting those 2 hours of my life back. |
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| sjperera Canada. June 19 2012 11:22. Posts 333 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 01:23 CaptainCrush wrote: Now that you mention the opening scene: + Show Spoiler +why in the world did that guy drink the little vial of nasty stuff? I assume he knew it was going to kill him. And why was the spaceship just waiting there for him to do it?
Come on? don't you understand, they are creating life... life through... you know. There's alot of god analogy all over the movie, from ancient and modern sources... |
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| sjperera Canada. June 19 2012 11:25. Posts 333 | Profile Blog # |
On June 19 2012 02:17 Liquid`Jinro wrote:
Show nested quote +On June 18 2012 22:26 Brett wrote:
On June 18 2012 21:42 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:26 white_horse wrote:
On June 18 2012 15:15 -Archangel- wrote:
On June 18 2012 05:48 Courthead wrote:Great visual experience. I remember a time when you could kind of tell that things were fake. That time has passed. The technology here was avatar-esque, and the aliens looked really cool, too. Don't see it in 3D though, it's a scam -- all the 3D is in the first 20 minutes of the film. After that you can literally take off your 3D glasses because you won't be missing anything. The plot was BLEH. It could have been good. It had so much potential. But the writers totally fucked it up by creating characters who made no sense whatsoever. Take every dumb character from every bad horror movie and slice their IQs in half, and you'll get an idea of what we're playing with here. These are characters just begging for death: + Show Spoiler +- The "scientists" took a dump on the scientific method every chance they got. "How do you know this is a map?" "I have faith!"
- The "scientists" were also the first people to take off their helmets just because the air was breathable. Nevermind that they're on an alien planet in an alien cave with something living in it that managed to kill all the previous aliens.
- The guy whose mapped out the cave got lost. Nobody else seemed to know or care for hours, even though they had a hologram showing exactly where the lost people were, and even though they could all radio each other whenever. "Oh shit, they're leaving without us! We better just sit here and not say anything!"
- The biologist has, apparently, never seen a snake before, and had no sense of self-preservation. The goddamn alien did everything it could to show that it was hostile, and he decided to PET it?!
- David consistently touches everything, fucks shit up, brings foreign substances onto the ship, and tries to kill crew members. He even gives not-so-subtle hints that he wants his master dead. Nobody cares.
- The robot David poisoned one of the crew for absolutely no reason, and then completely forgot about it. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- The robot David tried to prevent Shaw from aborting the alien insider her, but then inexplicably loses interest and decides to leave her alone. He had no idea what the effect would be, and he could have easily destroyed the entire ship.
- Shaw knocks two astronauts unconscious and runs away screaming. Nobody gives a fuck later on. FAIL.
- Shaw saves herself from the alien in a scene that involves running around the entire ship naked, bloody, and screaming. Nobody notices. Nobody cares. She doesn't even care. She doesn't tell anyone there's an alien on the ship. And she doesn't tell anyone that David tried to kill her. FAIL.
- Vases were oozing sketchy organic liquid. Nobody took a sample. Nobody tested it. But everyone touched it, because fuck it. Fuck science. Fuck caution. Fuck common sense.
- Nobody gave a fuck that there were signs of life in the cave. "Oh there's a blip showing life? Good luck guys! Instead of telling people or monitoring for your safety, I'm gonna go fuck this chick."
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, and nobody is in charge. Actually, the old guys is in charge. But now that I think about it, he put the scientists in charge. Wait, no, Charlize Theron is in charge. But wait a second, the captain is in charge. Actually, fuck it. Everyone just does whatever they fucking want.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but nobody has any training whatsoever.
- They're on a trillion dollar ship, but somehow one of the astronauts managed to sneak weed into his space suit.
- Old guy pretends to be dead FOR NO REASON.
- Charlize Theron is old guy's daughter FOR NO REASON.
- Giant line-shaped spaceship is rolling at you -- what do you do? <fail> Run in a straight line! </fail>
This is the kind of shit you see when you have bad writers. Writers who don't know how create tense and interesting conflict unless they manipulate the characters into doing things they would never do. For the life of me, I don't know how people let this shit get by. The script should have been burned and rewritten from scratch.
I agree with some of the stuff you said, but most of it is nitpicking.
Then the only thing you need to know is that: 1. Every scientist on the ship has a brain of a 5 year old. 2. The guy who has the map on his wristband gets lost in the building. 3. The biologist's reaction to the alien snake is just about the dumbest thing you could ever do. 4. Taking your helmets off in an alien atmosphere in an alien building is also just about the dumbest thing to do. Bending the laws of physics or including certain character flaws/decisions in order to help the movie go along is fine. But taking your helmet off inside a creepy alien building with dead bodies all over the place? Or touching an alien snake thats hissing at you? Yeah real smart. How on earth can you justify that kind of logic? Also, the first action scene where the biologist comes back to the ship as an infected dude and goes apeshit and kills like 5 crew members? Theres no follow up. They don't clean up the mess, nothing happens, and its like nobody even cares that one of their scientists became infected and killed several of the men. This scene was the moment when the whole movie fell apart.
1. Says you. I don't agree. 2. That is one of the weirder scenes. Depending on what we get in Director's Cut might be a plothole, but not enough to make the movie bad. 3. Yea, he is as dumb as the guy in Alien that got real close to a facehugger egg while it was opening LOL. So I guess Alien is also a stupid movie to you? 4. This can be explained by their advanced technology. They did look at their instruments first and those said it is OK. BTW, you must have most SF movies as like 5% of them care about stuff like alien bacteria and viruses. As for people not reacting to one of them killing a few of them, that is not bad, what is bad nobody caring Shaw just kicked their asses and did self surgery and then walking around bleeding and half naked.
There are plenty of fucking stupid actions in Alien, no doubt. If people are going to make the comparison to alien, you can't ignore them. People watch/talk about Alien with rose coloured glasses, I swear.
Sure, but most of the unreal stupidity comes across as somewhat believable arrogance/stupidity. Fresh-faced officer with no experience choking hard under real life pressure, over-confident corporation motivated by greed... Alien 4 probably had some retarded shit in it that I'm forgetting, but it was always considered the weakest of the 4 (still ways better than Prometheus tho). The problem with the stupidity in Prometheus is that it was so completely unrealistic - made me feel like I wasn't watching real people and if I waited long enough I'd see the mask fall off to reveal the reptilian scales beneath. Seriously never seen more oblivious reactions to important plot developments by seeming important characters. Sucks too because there's a lot of actors in there that can really do a good job if they are given half a chance. I mean, Idris Elba happens to be THE man, and they completely waste him :[ How does this movie have a 7.7 on IMDB? /wrists
Alien and Aliens are classics... Alien 3 is a guilty pleasure and 4 is fun when you 10 I guess? Despite the problems with Prometheus, I would still recommend it over 3 or 4 depending on how you are feeling...
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