Power Rank Discussion Thread - Page 28

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On February 15 2012 11:12 Dakkas wrote:


You're new here

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On February 15 2012 11:19 Djabanete wrote:

Not that it means anything inherently, but it's funny you say that when he's obviously been a member for a year and half longer than you.

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On February 15 2012 11:31 Dakkas wrote:


Then that makes his post even more idiotic if he's calling out Milkis of all people

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On February 15 2012 12:00 Kiett wrote:
Well this explains it all. Flash is practicing SC2 guys, that's why he's become even more beastly at BW than last season. Playing SC2 actually amplifies his godliness at all other games too!! Why didn't I think of that?

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On February 15 2012 11:47 Crisium wrote:
Well, he's right that Milkis has gotten more bitter when he has to continually defend his opinion, without evidence, in the face of skeptics.

Pretty much this post is his only attempt to actually explain himself, and subsequently he mostly responds by stating that he's said enough already, or "Why don't you believe me".

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301720&currentpage=6#103

Most importantly, he said "wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year."

When you start rolling out the "probably's", you're in unconfirmed territory. And unconfirmed is exactly what a rumour is, especially when it's from SC2 coaches who do not set a foot inside BW practice houses.

Maybe Jaedong vs Flying sucked just because Flying has never been a top player and JD was in the middle of a mini-slump... or maybe Flying is too busing practicing 4 Gate timings and JD forgot that only SC2 units shove each other aside. Do you actually think Bogus sucks at TvT because he's trying to make Hellions and Marauders and only realizes he can't too late? Have some dignity, Milkis. That's really what you implying in your post, and you wonder why we question you.

And if you are going to bring it up, the discussion is going to shift this way, and you should be better prepared to defend yourself if you're going to be gracing a PR thread with a post like you did - or else you shouldn't post that at all. This thread should be for gentlemanly and lady-like discussion of the 10 best BW players at the moment, and I regret having to argue this but your post was not warned, so clearly the talk has regrettably been allowed to come to this thread, for now.

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On February 15 2012 12:23 VGhost wrote:


Actually, it's something I started wondering about starting with BeSt's win over Jaedong. BeSt macro'd up a little, stuck everything in a ball in the middle of the map, and was unstoppable. Sure, JD played that one terribly (Action did a better job vs. Stork's kind of similar play on the same map last night and still lost), but it didn't look like a "normal" BW PvZ, and it did look like the much-maligned SC2 matchup.

Obviously that's not conclusive evidence, more like wild speculation - but we know BW has a lot to inform SC2, what if lessons can be learned the other way as well?

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On February 15 2012 12:23 VGhost wrote:


Actually, it's something I started wondering about starting with BeSt's win over Jaedong. BeSt macro'd up a little, stuck everything in a ball in the middle of the map, and was unstoppable. Sure, JD played that one terribly (Action did a better job vs. Stork's kind of similar play on the same map last night and still lost), but it didn't look like a "normal" BW PvZ, and it did look like the much-maligned SC2 matchup.

Obviously that's not conclusive evidence, more like wild speculation - but we know BW has a lot to inform SC2, what if lessons can be learned the other way as well?

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On February 15 2012 13:33 ShadeR wrote:
Please understand that this is not the Milkis Hyung of a year ago.

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On February 15 2012 11:47 Crisium wrote:
Well, he's right that Milkis has gotten more bitter when he has to continually defend his opinion, without evidence, in the face of skeptics.

Pretty much this post is his only attempt to actually explain himself, and subsequently he mostly responds by stating that he's said enough already, or "Why don't you believe me".

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=301720&currentpage=6#103

Most importantly, he said "wake the hell up bw people. it's not "if", it's "when". It'll probably happen this year."

When you start rolling out the "probably's", you're in unconfirmed territory. And unconfirmed is exactly what a rumour is, especially when it's from SC2 coaches who do not set a foot inside BW practice houses.

Maybe Jaedong vs Flying sucked just because Flying has never been a top player and JD was in the middle of a mini-slump... or maybe Flying is too busing practicing 4 Gate timings and JD forgot that only SC2 units shove each other aside. Do you actually think Bogus sucks at TvT because he's trying to make Hellions and Marauders and only realizes he can't too late? Have some dignity, Milkis. That's really what you implying in your post, and you wonder why we question you.

And if you are going to bring it up, the discussion is going to shift this way, and you should be better prepared to defend yourself if you're going to be gracing a PR thread with a post like you did - or else you shouldn't post that at all. This thread should be for gentlemanly and lady-like discussion of the 10 best BW players at the moment, and I regret having to argue this but your post was not warned, so clearly the talk has regrettably been allowed to come to this thread, for now.

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The play this season has been subpar no matter how you justify it... the number of mistakes being made by any player is just absolutely insane. It's sloppy. They're preparing less for each game, despite there being less games in a season.

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On February 15 2012 15:52 Crisium wrote:
To answer the questions:

+ Show Spoiler +



I see Flash playing better than ever. I see Stork being typical greatness with flaws (macro monster, shuttle/Reaver micro king, low APM problems with multitasking). Bisu went 5-2 last round despite no Zergs, he's getting too much hate imo. Best is a PvZ boss all of a sudden.

Stats is incredibly solid overall in all matchups. Bogus' TvP is phenomenal (TvT, whatever). Light is still executing TvZ like an art (truly comparable to Flash). Leta is still making 2 Port Wraith look like an auto-win vs Z and is out Vulturing freaking Fantasy head-to-head. Baby has shown some nice domination such as drop play against Wooki and Lift/Land micro vs ZerO.

Speaking of the Crown Prince, Fantasy's bio is better than EVER, and his TvT is still absurdly strong. Last and Turn are showing awesome aggression. Movie's recent ZvP was Bisu-esque. And freaking Neo.g_Soulkey is unbelievably awesome right now (burrowed lings... so good, not to mention I'm still impressed by his game versus Bogus). JangBi still has awesome shuttle micro against Terrans and is only out of PR contention due to all Zergs last round.

I see sloppy play, but I see plenty of things that make me love the play this season. I vehemently disagree that this season is a major step down in quality. At the absolute most, it's proportionally slightly lower due to no aces.

Although if you want to convince me that Sea is practicing SC2, I believe you.

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On February 15 2012 12:33 corumjhaelen wrote:

Honestly, it just look like BeSt's playstyle man. Plus deathball in PvZ is old as hell (go rewatch free vs jaedong on athena). The hardcore two base "all ins" are also very map dependent too.

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