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Grackaroni
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Really excited to get the game going though. glhf town. | ||
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On December 04 2011 12:06 xsksc wrote: For those of you playing your first game, hi! There are a couple of things you may want to know. Don't lie. As town, lying is almost never going to help, it'll probably just end up with you getting lynched. Don't be too quick to mindlessly jump on every bandwagon. Keep an open mind and vote for someone you believe there is a strong case on, or if you want to start your own case, write some good analysis on who you think is scum. Don't be a sheep. Try hard not to lurk, if townies are lurking it's a lot easier for scum to lurk with you. Just post whatever your thoughts are, let us know how you feel about X's post or Y's suspicious behavior. Let's get some discussion going! What do you guys think of policy lynches in general? Do you think they are a good idea, if so, why? Personally I disagree with lynching a lurker JUST because they're lurking, in a game like this anyway. The risk of hitting a townie is way too high. Lynch all liars is a great idea though. It discourages people from lying right from day 1, the only people with a good reason to lie are scum. Hi, I would agree with your view on both lynching liars and not lynching lurkers. Unfortunately in a Newbie game I would expect to have a decent amount of lurkers and from what I've found scum are more willing to participate a decent amount and the lurkers are generally bored townies. The best way to help town is to remain active and always post your opinions/reads. if townies aren't posting it becomes extremely difficult to discover who is scum. I agree that we should lynch all liars, if you are town simply don't lie; it may seem awesome to fakeclaim a role to try to trick mafia into roleblocking/attacking you but it will usually just result in chaos and distract the town. | ||
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Just judging from the game i replaced in with no mafia modkills and a shit load of town, I'm inclined to believe that we may have some lurking townies in this game as well. IF THE TOWN CANNOT AGREE ON A TARGET BASED ON ANALYSIS then I would agree that we need to lynch somebody who is lurking rather than an active townie, because the lurker will always remain a null read and an easy scapegoat for scum. | ||
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Ey215: He took a post from blazinghand calling him a lurker and acted very defensively. I believe that this is a trait that would be found among Mafia or Town. (I mean nobody wants to get lynched ) I think he is someone who I should watch more but he is contributing so he should not be lynched today. Velinath: I think Velinath is making a lot of sense right now and is another candidate that is very likely to be town. He seems to be actively scumhunting and was right when he said that ey215/Blazinghand should back off of each other for a bit and let other people post because tunneling on one person is not the best (especially since I think they're both town blazing a bit more sure than Ey215) Xsksc : He is participating a fair amount to the thread an altering viewpoint to Blazinghand saying that he should give everyone a chance to post before voting and that it is unlikely that the lurkers would be scum. I'm not sure about his alignment but he is right that we are focusing way too much on lurkers. We should only be voting for lurkers if we cannot find a good case on an active player. (because even though it's unlikely that the lurker is scum he is not participating and will not help the game.) Xtfftc: He is a null read for me. He has posted enough to avoid being lynched as a lurker, which is who the town has been pressuring so far. He has kind of tunneled on Ey215, but i don't see why he is mafia he just seems very defensive. I really don't understand why you would not lynch somebody for lying as we've made it clear that we don't want any townies to lie. Tunkeg: I like how Tunkeg has been participating in the thread and his willingness to comment on every player rather than tunneling hard on somebody. It looks to me like you are really analyzing every players posts and that makes me think you are likely to be town. Everybody else (unless I'm missing something) did not post a huge amount to the game and needs to start posting more. I would much prefer that our first lynch is based off of analysis so that we can see why people are voting the way that they are, but we have no choice other than to lynch a lurker if you do not become more active. | ||
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Ok, read through the thread now. A few things: [QUOTE]On December 05 2011 00:02 Tunkeg wrote: [QUOTE]On December 04 2011 23:21 xtfftc wrote: Tunkeg, I approve of the way you're pressuring but would you mind answering the questions you've been so happy to ask the others? Not just a summary of the thread activity but how this makes people more or less likely to be mafia. Who do you trust and who would you lynch?[/QUOTE] Of course. Some of the answers I have asked I have summarized in my opening post. But I will be more spesific about my thoughts on players alignment and who I at this moment would lynch if I had: + Show Spoiler + Alignment For a starter I don't think the scum players have been all that active yet. Adam4167 Neutral. Got to little info on him, only 2 posts. Abit scummy that he makes the first post after the game starts, and then do nothing (almost) when the discussions get going. Grackorini Neutral. Not a whole lot of posts here either. Mainly policy posts, but I agree on his point of view here. And I am leaning town here. Velinath Neutral. Leaning town. Alot of posts, some of them I see as pro town, but also alot of fillers whic I see as pro scum. xtfftc Neutral. Abit to many policy posts for my liking. The other posts are ok/good. Especially this last post where you called me out I see as very pro-town (Unless you are scum and think my ramblings are bad for town ) xsksc Scum. If I had to pick three scums right now xsksc would be my third pick, I'd say more based on a hunch and not so much reasoning. It is his way of gaining trust, while not really providing any pressure to anyone or other pro town activities. jaybrundage Scum. "Veteran", posts to little and with to little content, should know that thats anti-town. ey215 Town. Even though coming of as very defensive, his posts so far says town to me. He is balancing out Blazinghand. Blazinghand Town. Aggreessive play, scumhunting. May be spreading his votes around to much, but for now I see him as the most towniest. BroodKingEXE Neutral, leaning scum. He is posting far to little, but I think it is because he is new. Hopefully if more people challange him with direct questions it will be easier to get a read on him. He is the fourth scummiest though. ElectricBlack Neutral. One post, hard to say anything. Needs to post more or be considered a lurker. Hassybaby Scum. Another veteran, and this one have not posted yet. [b]Bbyte Neutral, leaning town. Not many posts yet. But seems open and are answering questions given to him. [b]Trust and lynch At this point I trust no one, I know to little yet. For lynch I would go for either jaybrundage or Hassybaby at this point. They need to step up their game or GTFO. [/QUOTE] Firstly, I'm honoured that you think I'm a veteran, but you're totally wrong. I'm not a veteran in any way shape or form. This is my second game, and my first game was XLVII, and we all know how that went Secondly, while I've already addressed this point to Blazing, I want to emphasize this one a bit more, because I'm wondering about your methods considering the game situation. It's been just over half a day in a game that suddenly started, and you already have a scumlist based on the fact that people haven't posted? Really? The day lasts 48 for a reason dude; time-zones exist, as does RL. I've already mentioned to Blazing that I have been out all day, and I didn't even know that the game had started until I came back home. I suspect that there are one or two others in the same boat. So actually wait for responses before instantly preparing the gallows. While its awesome that you guys are getting the ball rolling, you have to remember that pushing easy targets this earlier is actually very anti-town. You're basing your actions on very limited information, if any, and you're also discouraging discussions, and instead forcing players to defend themselves as opposed to looking at evidence and discussing THAT with people. At no point is that a good idea. This goes especially to you Tunkeg, because right now it feels like you're playing the Serejai role from XLVII. Accusing everyone isn't going to help. In fact, it can easily get you ignored in the thread. Accusing people is fine, but do it within reason considering situations in the game. I would actually agree with this. While i think that your'e activity and posting so far is pro-town, I really wish that we could start taking a look into the more active players; and stop focusing only on people who have not posted much yet. give the players time to read the thread and they will post. then we can start focusing on them but for now look at some active players. Obviously if a lurker does not make a sufficient amount of quality posts by the end of the day and there is no likely scum candidate then we will lynch him. | ||
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On December 05 2011 01:38 Adam4167 wrote: If my lack of posting thus far has crowned me as a boring townie, I guess it’s a mantle I’ll wear; I had a Sunday off and decided to go out drinking. My thoughts on Blazinghands aggression so far is that I feel he is trying to generate discussion. However, I question whether he is trying too hard to establish himself as a townie by his badgering. This, coupled with his apparent buddy-buddy relationship with Velinath has me keeping a close eye on both of them as I find it strange that they are apparently “BFF’s” after only 12 hours of play. So to directly answer your question, Tunkeg, I find his behaviour suspicious and erring on the side of Anti-town. 5 separate votes in 12 hours is akin to spam and is just leading the town around in circles, rather than focusing on any one target. Xsksc is someone I’m more familiar with after close examination of the Newbie Mini Mafia thread. So far he has begun discussion, scolded Blazinghands reckless aggression and defended himself well when called out. Is he a key player in the game? Not yet, but neither is anyone else. Is he pro-town? All signs are pointing towards yes. If he turns out to be mafia, id hope to think we can still catch him out and hang him even with his greater mafia experience over us. As previously stated, I went out drinking. And after I finish this post, I'm going to need at least 6 hours to sleep it off. I feel that by flinging your vote in every direction, you have cheapened the weight of your vote when you eventually do decide to settle on a target. I also feel the need to point out again that you have had 5 separate votes in 12 hours, which is almost half of the players participating. You’ve caught my attention Blazinghand, don’t slip =). This guy is most likely to be scum IMO. He has not contributed at all to town, yet he is more than willing to discredit both blazinghand and Velinath. Both of these people are giving me very strong town vibes, and just because they have been acting closely with each other in no way makes them scum. In fact from what I've noticed is that people who are willing to outright make a connection with another player is usually town. (palmar/wbg in XLVII) You need to start giving us reads and contribute to the town instead of discrediting the active townies. | ||
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On December 05 2011 05:43 Tunkeg wrote: Blazinghand: In most of your posts thus far you have either been pressuring others or responding to the response of players pressured. You have tried to get the lurkers to talk. Now, what is your view on those who have been doing a fair amount of posting? Thank you for this! the town was getting way too focused on looking for people lurking to lynch instead of analyzing people. That being said Electricblack/BroodkingEXE/BByte/Adam4167. you guys are all people who are lurking the thread and need to step up your game. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:49 ey215 wrote: Ok, just got back to the thread and I'll respond to things as I see them. I agree that we've reached a consensus to get rid of a lurker. That means lurkers, it's your time to step up and contribute. I AM NOT LOOKING FOR A LURKER TO LYNCH, I wish every one of these players would start doing their part and contribute to town. My first priority is to analyze the active players and if as a town we cannot agree upon a scummy player then we should choose a lurker because they will remain a null read. Instead of looking at active players your first priority is to look for a lurker to lynch, which i consider just finding an easy lynch without having to justify why you actually think that the player is scum. | ||
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On December 05 2011 06:54 jaybrundage wrote: Grack whos your biggest scum read. Atm im still thinking adam what do you think I am in really leaning scum on Adam as well. He is still not contributing at all and all he did was try to discredit the town. I still want to get more information before putting in a vote though and really wish that he/ the rest of the lurkers start talking. If he doesn't say anything to change my mind I will vote for Adam | ||
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Can you post what your biggest town reads are, and people who you believe are being anti-town | ||
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On December 04 2011 23:20 BByte wrote: Of those who've actually posted BroodKingEXE reads a bit scummy to me. He has only offered some comments about policy and made a lot of apologies. That alone doesn't make him scum, but it's something. ey215 reads town to me. He defended himself well and raised some valid concerns while doing so. Good thing it seems most of the town isn't too intimidated by Blazinghand's style. I'd also lean towards town on Blazinghand and you at this point. That's simply for actively pushing discussion other than policy. That's too easy easy a topic for the mafia to take part in. Here you agree with the rest of the town(-adam) that Blazing is town and that BroodkingEXE might be scum because he is not posting. You also think that Ey215 is town but get a change of heart. On December 05 2011 08:16 BByte wrote: ey215: Here you seem to state that we should get rid of a lurker. That seems to imply lynching, though it's not specified. Am I just misreading here? And here you're both arguing against a lurker lynch and for it? I disagree with you on lynching a lurker in the current situation. I don't really even think we have real lurkers at this point. There are already enough posts to get reads on people, and there will be more before the lynch. Of course activity can still be a factor in the evaluation. One policy post and one (drunken? ) response to some finger pointing isn't too much to go on. His response is somewhat accusatory, but he gives seemingly straight answers to the questions. Not a scum read for me, but of course we're waiting to hear more from him. Now without directly saying anything about Ey215's alignment it looks a lot like you've flip-flopped on your opinion of him but I'm not sure if what you posted was intending to say that he was scum. For the record, we have lurkers and right now you are giving a lot less content than most of the town. Please tell me you're strongest town reads and people who you think are acting anti-town. | ||
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On December 05 2011 04:06 Grackaroni wrote: This guy is most likely to be scum IMO. He has not contributed at all to town, yet he is more than willing to discredit both blazinghand and Velinath. Both of these people are giving me very strong town vibes, and just because they have been acting closely with each other in no way makes them scum. In fact from what I've noticed is that people who are willing to outright make a connection with another player is usually town. (palmar/wbg in XLVII) You need to start giving us reads and contribute to the town instead of discrediting the active townies. ##Vote: Adam4167 Add to the fact that he has contributed yet, and I said that he would be my vote unless he contributed something that would change my mind. | ||
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On December 05 2011 08:04 Tunkeg wrote: Overall a good post, I agree on most of your reads. But my comments are: Adam: I was also tipping abit against scum on Adam, because of his lurking ways, but he is the only one who have been saying anti-town on Blazinghand, and I would think scum would not go after Blazinghand, but go for more easier targets. ElectricBlack Not sure if I agree on that his post was a really good post, it was an ok first post, and had he followed up then yeah, he could have been able to establish himself as town. But for me it seems abit like he is trying to give out as little information as possible, and that is not good for town. xtfftc He is a very hard read indeed. His posts have been seemingly protown, and he have had good activity. But he have supported me and Blazinghand, and as a scum that might be smart as many have town reads on us. He then have put his red mark on ey215 and a FOS on xsksc. ey215 is one of those who at the time could get framed and bandwagon lynched (based of his feud with Blazinghand) and afterward it would not be as obvious as for instance BroodKingEXE. Xsksc as a town is also a player I would presume scum would get rid off if they had the chance. So I consider xtfftc either a good townie or a great scum. As a final note I would like to say I completely agree of your comment about Blazinghand. There is no such thing as confirmed town! I like the point that it would be a bad move for Adam to post that Blazinghand was anti-town. But it also could have easily been a spur of the moment kind of thing. Blazing accuses him so he tries to discredit him rather than defending himself without thinking it through. Electric black definitely needs to post more and is lurking hardcore. It's good to point out that Blazinghand is not a confirmed townie, and sometimes I have been treating him as such. He has posted a great deal, given some good analysis and has definitely brought a lot of attention to himself. I think he is at least 95% town (what new scum would want to draw this much attention to himself) but if he ends up being scum it should be fairly obvious due to how much hes posted. | ||
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