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| Grackaroni United States. December 24 2011 05:35. Posts 495 | Profile # |
| @ sephirotharg: I'm a bit confused. You said that you used your first post was intended for catching mafia so will you actually be lurking during this game or will you be active? |
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| Tunkeg Norway. December 24 2011 06:31. Posts 1159 | Profile Blog # |
| Is there a observer QT? If not I will make one, and you can pm me for link. |
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| Lanaia Canada. December 24 2011 06:37. Posts 1142 | Profile Blog # |
On December 24 2011 06:31 Tunkeg wrote:
Is there a observer QT? If not I will make one, and you can pm me for link.
There is an observer QT.Last edit: 2011-12-24 06:38:38 |
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 07:00. Posts 582 | Profile # |
RE: Sephirotharg lynch
There is no doubt that your post generated discussion, in fact I put my vote on you to see if there'd be surprisingly many people hopping aboard the bandwagon and to see how you responded. Lynching you solely because of that first post isn't really clever. |
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| sephirotharg United States. December 24 2011 07:06. Posts 90 | Profile # |
@ Grack
It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started.
@ Shraft
I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose. |
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| sephirotharg United States. December 24 2011 07:16. Posts 90 | Profile # |
A couple of questions:
For voting, need we specifically unvote? Or, if we merely vote for a different person, is it taken for granted that we unvoted the original vote?
Can the host/co-host please keep the player list up to date? I refer to it often, and it would be nice to have the reminder that hyshes has replaced Mattchew, for example.
And as a placeholder: ##Vote sephirotharg |
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| Dirkzor Denmark. December 24 2011 07:46. Posts 1341 | Profile Blog # |
On December 24 2011 03:31 sephirotharg wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 23:39 Dirkzor wrote:
On December 23 2011 13:35 sephirotharg wrote:For myself, I've never played mafia here on TL, but I've played a small amount on some other forums. I'm not skilled, but it's still fun  As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town. And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary. With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch?
I bolded what i found strange. You already state that you will be lurking. Early in game you want people to feel its okay that you lurk. No Mr. I won't allow it! Yes life gets in the way but you should make up for it when time permits. In that way people won't feel you are lurking if you have provided enough to talk about when you actually have the time. We all need to eat and sleep (work?) but if you don't carry your weight we don't need you. ##Vote sephirotharg
That's all well and good - I don't necessarily disagree with anything you say here. In general, lurking isn't optimal play, not for town at any rate. That said, you didn't actually provide any reason to vote for me here. You responded to my post, but gave no rationale as to why you placed your vote on me. Please do everyone the favor of explaining your actions.
I do feel I gave a reason, but since english isn't my first language I'll try again.
You are preemptivly excusing yourself for lurking. If people have the mindset that "Oh seph is lurking because thats what he does" you might try to get away with lurking later in the game. You could also point out later that you already said you would lurk. And I don't like that.
I would say that my vote wasn't intended to get you lynched. Just spur some discussion - which it did.
On December 24 2011 03:56 sephirotharg wrote:
RE: Giygas
This is a game of circles within circles son, and you'd best step to that right quick.
Weird accent aside, I'm merely stating that I find you, Dirkzor, and Shraft rather suspicious for voting so early and pushing hard. I think it's rather obvious why I wrote "the thing about lurking" - to generate some discussion, allowing scum to reveal themselves. I wouldn't be surprised if at least one of the three of you flips red - but we'll see.
I did not find it obvious why you wrote it. It did start some discussion but only because I (and others) noticed how silly it was to write. I'll keep my vote on you for now for the lack of better choices...
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| GiygaS Canada. December 24 2011 07:50. Posts 725 | Profile Blog # |
| What do people think of Seph voting for himself? Cause I have no idea how to handle this :/ |
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| Cyber_Cheese Australia. December 24 2011 07:54. Posts 3597 | Profile Blog # |
On December 24 2011 03:38 sephirotharg wrote:RE: GiygaS No, you misinterpreted my post - I expected somebody to notice that part about me lurking long before they did - I didn't expect to get votes so early! You see, mafia will tend to push for a mis-lynch day 1 - and I don't mind putting myself out there as a target, if it lures them out of hiding. So, anyone who has pushed for lynching me, consider yourself on notice. And the last objection you have to me: my asking people about day 1 lynches did indeed generate discussion. See this post:
Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 13:59 GiygaS wrote:
And also, it's stupid to not get a lynch on day1 unless we have literally no leads. It's better to lynch a guy that we think is leaning scum, then not lynching anybody at all.
And this one:
Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 15:16 Misder wrote:
@Day1 Lynch- yes. ofc, that comes with scumhunting as well as potentially lynching lurkers.
One last piece of policy:
Do not use 'ploys' or 'traps' to bait scum members. If you choose to disregard this, at minimum have fully thought it out. This involves but is not limited to being able to prove that only a scum member would walk into it, and that only a scum member would react the way that the person did. Make sure the pros outweigh the cons, and be ready to prove it.
Intentionally making your self look scummy is an example of a 'bad' ploy, because good townies should be calling you out.
That said, it did help me two things I want to point out so far:
On December 23 2011 20:32 Dirkzor wrote:/confirmed I agree with the no policy lynches.[1] Everything should be accounted for and done on a case by case basis. But with that said I don't like people lurking or lieing. Both things are something you learn as a child is bad - well maybe not lurking =) - and the mafia are the bad guys. Do we have any veterans in this game? Given i've only followed a few games here on TL mafia I can't see any that spring out at a vet? Correct me if I'm wrong please. However I do believe that people should look at what happens in this game and judge on that. No reason to say "But sir, he was very good in..." When he have done shitall in this game and caused several mislynches. This is my first game playing Mafia. That said, I will try not to sheep and try to make my own opinions. I WILL win this! =) (Hahaha no meta for you guys  )[2]About lynches and/or No lynches: I would rather lynch someone i might think is town to get a lynch then to get a no lynch. It gives information and it helps town.
On December 23 2011 23:39 Dirkzor wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 23 2011 13:35 sephirotharg wrote:For myself, I've never played mafia here on TL, but I've played a small amount on some other forums. I'm not skilled, but it's still fun As for policy lynches, I'm against Lynch All Liars, only because it tends to lead to players narrowing their focuses too much - lynching someone, even if they are a liar, may not be the best idea for the town. And Lynch All Lurkers is also a bad idea, not the least because at times I am one . Same reason as before, with the added rationale that life gets in the way sometimes - papers, work, family and such all happen, and sometimes you can't devote the time necessary. With that said, doing some estimation, worst case scenario (assuming bad lynches and vig kills, with one vig, as well as all mafia kills), we have until day 3 to flip a red. Keeping that in mind, what say the people about a day 1 lynch?
I bolded what i found strange. You already state that you will be lurking. Early in game you want people to feel its okay that you lurk. No Mr. I won't allow it! Yes life gets in the way but you should make up for it when time permits. In that way people won't feel you are lurking if you have provided enough to talk about when you actually have the time. We all need to eat and sleep (work?) but if you don't carry your weight we don't need you. ##Vote sephirotharg
1) He agrees policy lynches are bad, then doubles back and votes someone for potentially lurking later on in the game.
2) Calling attention to his inexperience.
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 07:56. Posts 582 | Profile # |
On December 24 2011 07:06 sephirotharg wrote:
@ Grack
It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started.
@ Shraft
I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose.
You may not vote for yourself. It is clearly stated in the voting rules. |
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| jaybrundage United States. December 24 2011 07:57. Posts 1787 | Profile # |
Hey guys,
Sorry for not being to active. Internet is a commodity not always provided at my families house.
Ok lets get started. On policy lynches i think that there fine guidelines for how we should act and at the same time we should not follow them blindly and be the main reason we lynch someone.
Onto the good stuff. I think that the sephirotharg case is an interesting one. I do find his first post suspicious.
Trying to soft claim that lurking is ok is honestly pretty anti town. There is not reason to allow it or hint that it's acceptable or we gonna establish a bad town atmosphere. We need people to post what they think so we can get transparency.
I also fine the fact that sephirotharg posted a vote in himself really really weird to be honest. You know people think your suspicious if not just plain scum. Why would you put a vote on your self as a "placeholder" I honestly think its a distraction because why would mafia vote himself. But at the same time why would town vote for himself. Its a action that makes no sense. And when we are trying to get clarity why would you do that.
##Vote sephirotharg
Honestly you seem to want to be voting for the way your acting. Post a solid reason why we should not vote for you. Defend your self give people another case on someone you think is scummy. Something |
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| sephirotharg United States. December 24 2011 08:00. Posts 90 | Profile # |
@ Giygas
It's just a placeholder vote. The rules say voting is mandatory, and I'd rather not get modkilled for forgetting to vote, so by preemptively voting I preclude that possibility. By voting for myself, I reveal nothing about my thoughts on other players. |
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 08:00. Posts 582 | Profile # |
EBWOP: I quoted the wrong post above.
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| Dirkzor Denmark. December 24 2011 08:01. Posts 1341 | Profile Blog # |
On December 24 2011 07:16 sephirotharg wrote:
A couple of questions:
For voting, need we specifically unvote? Or, if we merely vote for a different person, is it taken for granted that we unvoted the original vote?
Can the host/co-host please keep the player list up to date? I refer to it often, and it would be nice to have the reminder that hyshes has replaced Mattchew, for example.
And as a placeholder: ##Vote sephirotharg
Why vote on yourself? Even if it is a placeholder? Why not vote on me or Shraft who you said you found suspicius? Put some pressure back?
Shraft how did you realize that Mattchew was banned?
I have opdated my post with the filters on page 3 if people want to use it. (I used edit as it was a pre-game post that have no influence - ok?)
On December 23 2011 23:47 Dirkzor wrote:
Also, it's been 12 hours since we started and several people have yet to post.
Mattchewhyshes
Shraft
minus_human (yeah one post saying you would be back in a few hours...)
EchelonTee
jaybrundage
Gogo!
We need more activity if we want to find scum. Otherwise it will be chaos come a few hours before lynch time!
minus_human
EchelonTee
jaybrundage
Still waiting for you guys! (I left out hyshes since he "just" replaced Matt)
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| sephirotharg United States. December 24 2011 08:02. Posts 90 | Profile # |
@ Shraft
Please re-read the rules. It explicitly states that you may vote for yourself. In fact, here's the quote:
On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 08:02. Posts 582 | Profile # |
| I realised it because I saw a lock on his portrait. He made a /in-post you know. |
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| Cyber_Cheese Australia. December 24 2011 08:02. Posts 3597 | Profile Blog # |
On December 24 2011 07:50 GiygaS wrote:
What do people think of Seph voting for himself? Cause I have no idea how to handle this :/
Null, don't consider it as him having voted unless it's still there at lynch.
On December 24 2011 07:56 Shraft wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 24 2011 07:06 sephirotharg wrote:
@ Grack
It's not something I consciously decide at the beginning of the game; it arises mainly due to circumstances and whatnot - for example, in about an hour or so I'll be gone until late tonight, so don't expect much from me later on. I'll be around for the lynch deadline, though, and I intend to be active in the game. I've kept this thread open and refreshing since day 1 started.
@ Shraft
I'm glad that I'm not the only one playing subtly. So far, most people are playing their cards close to their chest, so to speak. When I'm active, I play more fast and loose.
You may not vote for yourself. It is clearly stated in the voting rules.
On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 08:03. Posts 582 | Profile # |
On December 24 2011 08:02 sephirotharg wrote:@ Shraft Please re-read the rules. It explicitly states that you may vote for yourself. In fact, here's the quote:
Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 08:54 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
4. You may vote for yourself. You may not vote for anyone dead or outside the game.
Oh. As it turns out I'm the stupid one. I didn't read it carefully and they usually say you may not vote for yourself. My bad. |
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| sephirotharg United States. December 24 2011 08:05. Posts 90 | Profile # |
| Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules. |
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| Shraft Sweden. December 24 2011 08:08. Posts 582 | Profile # |
On December 24 2011 08:05 sephirotharg wrote:
Whoops. I should recuse myself at this point from the game - modkill me please, and replace me. I didn't read the rules carefully enough, and edited one of my earlier posts to change some contradictory wording. Assuming hosts agree, I'll no longer be participating in this game for breaking the rules.
I believe that mods can see your edits, so they should be able to edit in the original message. I do however find it strange that you're re-reading your own posts and looking for contradictions. Why would you worry about some contradictive wording if you're town? |
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