| Bloodash Netherlands. December 21 2011 19:11. Posts 1113 | Profile # |
On December 21 2011 18:02 Smaug.GR wrote:
2,5min trailer, not a single shot of Smaug. meh.
I think Smaug doesn't get any screentime in this part, its been a long time since I've read the book but I'm pretty sure Smaug was at the very end, so we'll have to wait another year for part 2 |
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| Ciryandor United States. December 21 2011 19:13. Posts 3167 | Profile Blog # |
On December 21 2011 18:11 gruff wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 16:52 stormtemplar wrote:
On December 21 2011 16:32 ChinaWhite wrote:
On December 21 2011 16:21 Detwiler wrote:
I may be the only person not really looking forward to this. Its a lose lose to me.Don't get me wrong I loved LOTR but it was a serious movie and book. The Hobbit was a kids book. I don't want to watch a kids movie I have no interest in it. On the other hand if they tried to make it serious I would despise it for straying so far from the book... Don't hate me TL =(
PS. Why couldn't they just make the Similarion?
I really hope they do at some point. The Silmarilion actually has the most potential of all of his works, but it will need an excellent script writer to fill in the gaps and turn it into an audience friendly narrative. It will probably work best being released last anyway when people have a better understanding of the world already.
The main problem with the sillmarilion as I read it is that you can't just DO the silmarillion. It would take three films of its own. There is such a vast oversupply of characters, places, wars and dates in first and second age history, even when narrowed down to the stories of the simarills that despite spending the vast majority of the non-LOTR/Hobbit writing time on that time period, Tolkien was nowhere near completing it when he died.
Agreed. I read re-read silmarillion quite recently and I have a hard time seeing how you'd turn that into a working movie. The only way it would work is to take one small part of the book and expand on that.
I honestly think that if you take History of Middle Earth material as well, you can easily make 5 movies out of the First Age, and that there's enough material for the Akallabeth and the Last Alliance for another movie as well. I'll repost something I typed up on Reddit with respect to splitting the Silmarillion and dividing it into films.
Here's how I would split the book to movies:
The Fall of Feanor could encompass his creation of the Silmarils, the destruction of the Trees then ramp to the Kinslaying as its greatest tragedy, leading ultimately to the march across the Helcaraxe and ends with the Dagor-nuin-Giliath with the death of Feanor.
The Lay of Leithian will cover Beren and Luthien, with a prologue of the Battle of Sudden Flame, ending with the forging of the Union of Maedhros.
Narn i Chîn Húrin then covers everything from the Union all the way to the death of Turin; the presence of Glaurung sets the tone for the following movie.
The Fall of Gondolin will be the penultimate in the series; showing Tuor's journey, his marriage to Idril, Maeglin's betrayal and the Fall of Gondolin and Glorfindel's battle with the Balrog! It will end with Earendil and Elwing meeting in Arvernien, then we proceed to the last.
The Rise of the Morning Star is a dual-pronged name, referring to Earendil and his journey to the West, the War of Wrath, the opening of Eressea, and the raising of Numenor for the Edain.
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| Telcontar United Kingdom. December 21 2011 19:19. Posts 15851 | Profile # |
Martin Freeman looks brilliant as Bilbo. All the ingredients are there for an amazing pair of films. It's just down to Peter to bring it all together like he did for LOTR. I have complete faith in him.
Oh and I just finished watching the bonus documentaries for the production of the LOTR films. You wouldn't believe how much blood, sweat and tears thousands of people put in to make them what it is. I have absolute confidence that this will be just as good. Oh, and I hope Andy Serkis gets more recognition as Gollum. Just imagine how much better the character will be after Weta Digital's work on Avatar and Rise of the Planet of the Apes. They'll really be able to fully capture Andy's performance. |
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| Vorenius Denmark. December 21 2011 19:23. Posts 1636 | Profile Blog # |
On December 21 2011 16:52 stormtemplar wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 16:32 ChinaWhite wrote:
On December 21 2011 16:21 Detwiler wrote:
I may be the only person not really looking forward to this. Its a lose lose to me.Don't get me wrong I loved LOTR but it was a serious movie and book. The Hobbit was a kids book. I don't want to watch a kids movie I have no interest in it. On the other hand if they tried to make it serious I would despise it for straying so far from the book... Don't hate me TL =(
PS. Why couldn't they just make the Similarion?
I really hope they do at some point. The Silmarilion actually has the most potential of all of his works, but it will need an excellent script writer to fill in the gaps and turn it into an audience friendly narrative. It will probably work best being released last anyway when people have a better understanding of the world already.
The main problem with the sillmarilion as I read it is that you can't just DO the silmarillion. It would take three films of its own. There is such a vast oversupply of characters, places, wars and dates in first and second age history, even when narrowed down to the stories of the simarills that despite spending the vast majority of the non-LOTR/Hobbit writing time on that time period, Tolkien was nowhere near completing it when he died.
You could make ten films of it and it would still be a mess.
Even a chapter in silmarillion is often on the same scale as the entire LotR, and that took 3 movies. You could probably make a movie about Beren and Luthien or some other story from the silmarilion, but I doubt there's an audience for a big budget movie (and it woud suck as a low budget movie) |
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| EdSlyB Portugal. December 21 2011 19:26. Posts 1620 | Profile Blog # |
| Can't wait. This will be awesome! Right, precious? |
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| CAPSLOCKED December 21 2011 19:30. Posts 370 | Profile # |
| Jesus christ my brain just exploded from HYPE |
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| Arisen United States. December 21 2011 19:32. Posts 1940 | Profile Blog # |
I can't wait. In a lot of ways LotR was an awesome film series, but in some ways I didn't like it as much as the books (omg, I'm one of THOSE people, aren't I :o). The part of the novel "The Lord of the Rings" that was so fascinating was the way Tolkien assembeled his creation. Tolkien was a student of linguistics and created the elven language first, then created more langauges and built races based on their lingustic patterns and epanded to creating stories about the races he created. He created an entire world from which "The Lord of the Rings" was only just a small piece of. The shear depth of the world wasn't captured in the films as well (imo) though they did a much better job than I ever thought a film could.
With "The Hobbit" I hope that they delve a bit more into the depth of the world to create the sense that this is a complete new world, not just a story with a setting it's housed in.
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| NeonFox December 21 2011 19:36. Posts 2355 | Profile # |
On December 21 2011 18:41 3clipse wrote:
Hmm... hate to be a buzzkill, but the trailer didn't really thrill me. I might see it, but I just can't get excited for it like I could with the LOTR trilogy.
Same, I actually like the Hobbit book more than the lotr ones, I guess this is more a teaser than a trailer, there's none of the epic moments.
Edit : On second thought for once a trailer that doesn't show all the movie beforehand is a great thing.Last edit: 2011-12-21 19:37:43 |
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| ZergX France. December 21 2011 19:37. Posts 354 | Profile # |
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| Thorakh Netherlands. December 21 2011 19:42. Posts 1624 | Profile # |
Words cannot describe the excitement I feel.
On December 21 2011 13:19 SupLilSon wrote:
Show nested quote +On December 21 2011 13:02 {CC}StealthBlue wrote:
Wonder how long both films will be? Expect over 6 hours seeing how it is Peter Jackson...
Doesn't seem like a problem to me.. I mean, do you honestly think anyone would be satisfied if he rehashed the Hobbit into an hour and a half of cinema?
*this might actually just be me being tough on the internet
I can actually understand Cartman in that episode where he froze himself now.Last edit: 2011-12-21 19:47:49 |
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| Mafe Germany. December 21 2011 19:44. Posts 1417 | Profile # |
Will probably a great movie. Period.
I wonder if/how they will make each of the 13 dwarfs unique. In the book, most of them had no personal backstory and no real individuality. I believe Tolkien missed some interesting possibilities here.
I do not like the look of Thorin Oakenshield. I always thought of him as one of the oldest of the dwarfs, with a beard longer than his hair. He looks more like an arrogant leader in the prime of his strength and more like a small human than a huge dwarf. Not like the king of a lost kingdom, who turned bitter through a live of disappointments, who feels superior to everyone around him and who now tries to have one last shot to restore the long lost glory of his family. At least that was he used to be in my memory. |
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| Grumbels Netherlands. December 21 2011 20:07. Posts 3422 | Profile Blog # |
| LotR had a really epic scope, but it's still a confined time period with an overarching conflict to tie it together and limited set of characters. The Simlarillion are just chapters from different periods of history. You could pick a chapter each time and make that into a movie, but the problem is that Tolkien didn't have infinite story ideas. Even assuming that Silmarillion and LotR have the same number of interesting concepts (i.e. things that make it worth turning into a movie), expanding a chapter at the time to a movie still means you are spreading yourself thin. The movie would most likely be much more generic than LotR or The Hobbit can be. |
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| Skilledblob Germany. December 21 2011 20:18. Posts 2659 | Profile # |
i really really hope that they will show the movie in 2D in theaters too. Because I wear glasses so wearing 3D glasses too is hard and I get headaches from watching 3D movies  |
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| Roggay Switzerland. December 21 2011 20:27. Posts 4761 | Profile # |
On December 21 2011 17:39 SilverLeagueElite wrote:
You can't do Silmarillion as a movie. Too many short stories. You'd need a TV mini series or something.
Yea and even the short stories are waaaaay too confusing. A third of the book is just genealogical trees!Last edit: 2011-12-21 20:28:48 |
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| blubbdavid Switzerland. December 21 2011 20:27. Posts 2242 | Profile Blog # |
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| Spitfire South Africa. December 21 2011 20:32. Posts 442 | Profile # |
| Frigging epic! Brought back so many great memories of following the LOTR production |
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| Steel Canada. December 21 2011 20:38. Posts 2070 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm pretty excited, but this is in a long time |
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| NeWeNiyaLord Norway. December 21 2011 21:05. Posts 2464 | Profile Blog # |
| Can't wait to see if this will be as good as the trilogy, dont want to get my hopes up tho. but trailer was epic |
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| Kreb December 21 2011 21:30. Posts 2076 | Profile # |
The only thing that stopped me from being excited is....... it feels like I've watched this once already, and some things are probably best left untouched.
Oh well, hoping for a great movie! |
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