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| Roe Canada. January 16 2012 06:30. Posts 5193 | Profile Blog # |
On January 16 2012 06:28 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:22 tdt wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF
school > sc2
money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry
No,its not.
He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument.
80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education.
He won all that in last 3 months or so. Triple or quaddruple that for 2012 - does 320K seem like a lot?
He can't keep doing it, that's the problem. The best pro-gamers have their years, but within a decade they're out of the scene. Then it's coaching, casting, managing, etc. - none of which are lucrative careers compared to, say, being a doctor. It's the same in professional sports, except that the pay there is a lot higher, and even then pro sports isn't seen as a stable career compared to being a doctor, programmer, etc. Hence the reason universities have scholarships and part-time programs for sports players - to make up for the opportunity cost of playing it.
how many people become doctors? that's not a great comparison. and lots of doctors/programmers get layed off because their employers dotn want to spend money. if you're a freelance worker, you make money on your own effort like he is right now. |
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| [17]Purple United Kingdom. January 16 2012 06:31. Posts 1949 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:28 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:26 [17]Purple wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF
school > sc2
money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry
No,its not.
He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument.
Choosing between having a stable income and reliable future in contrast to going to tournaments in hopes of getting money in the pocket really is a difficult choice.
just depends on what kind of person you are. if you believe in yourself and have a real passion, you can take the riskier route.
I guess, I'm not really keen on taking risks regarding futures that aren't as clear as the other but I do admire people who can and take their passion to heights. So I can understand Stephano and people like him as well as Professionals like MVP, the Koreans and foreigners alike. |
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| DOUDOU Wales. January 16 2012 06:31. Posts 2697 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:25 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:20 DOUDOU wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:19 tdt wrote:
Why would you QUIT Stephano if you're winning all that European paper? You can go to school at anytime and we go to school to make paper you're getting it before hand. Get while getting is good.
yes it will be sooooo easy to study for 8 years (if you don't fail a single year) starting at 25...
i think it's six, after that 4 years of resident training here you don't even get into the best clinics if you even had one or two bad grade during the 6 years;) actually he kinda has to succeed with the exam to get in first doesn't he? it's quite hard in hungary
i have a friend in med school, i'll ask him, but i thinks it's 5 ten resident
but exams are really hard, you don't have many opportunities to catch up on failed exams, and you have to be good at everything cause one good grade doesn't really balance a bad one |
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| windsupernova Mexico. January 16 2012 06:32. Posts 5272 | Profile # |
Guys while progaming may earn you more in the short term getting a career is better in the long run, especially considering that the industry is not as stable as many of us would like to believe.
In the end its a smart choice for Stephano. Also in europe the doctors are not paid as well as in the US no? |
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| Eufouria United Kingdom. January 16 2012 06:33. Posts 4120 | Profile Blog # |
You call him kid, but you think its reasonable to assume that because a player can earn $80k in 3 months they will continue to be able to for the rest of their life. You know how many top Korean pros from 2002 are still relevent in 2012? Very few.
This isn't even factoring in that there is no pension plan for you so you'd either need to live off the state or put money into it yourself. A doctor can earn £100k+ per year, thats competitive money to even top BW players. |
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| Ysellian Netherlands. January 16 2012 06:33. Posts 4283 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:32 windsupernova wrote:
Guys while progaming may earn you more in the short term getting a career is better in the long run, especially considering that the industry is not as stable as many of us would like to believe.
In the end its a smart choice for Stephano. Also in europe the doctors are not paid as well as in the US no?
specialists earn loads anywhere, but yeah a regular doctor earns surprisingly little here. Last edit: 2012-01-16 06:34:22 |
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| Intricacy United States. January 16 2012 06:33. Posts 210 | Profile Blog # |
Tip Jars are open until midnight tonight for players. At this time, total winnings look like this :
Stephano $2867
ThorZaIN:$1771
Ret:$853
Grubby:$776,
NightEnD:$325
Socke:$288
DarKFoRcE:$921
ClouD:$233 |
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| magnaflow Canada. January 16 2012 06:34. Posts 1398 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:29 SaoPaulo wrote:"StarCraft 2 has seen growth since release in number of tournaments, prize pool and player base. Gamers are paying for 1on1 coaching sessions from professionals. South Korean structured gaming houses are being started around the world. Increase sponsorships and salaries for professional gamers.
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We are confident that StarCraft 2 is still in its early stages. We predict over 6,000,000 USD in prizes for 2012."
This is great Of course it did, it was hyped as fuck
Show nested quote +Since its release StarCraft 2 has had more tournaments and prizes than any other eSport since its release
. Same as above Across all of BNET (WoW included)
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StarCraft 2 is aired on some television channels with MLG trying to get StarCraft 2 aired on ESPN. This has yet to happen but MLG hasen't stopped trying and as StarCraft 2 continues to grow it will only become easier to get it aired."
Keep your hopes up, doubt it will happen as this community is the shits and if ESPN screws it up in the least little bitt hey will be drowned with hate mail and death threays http://www.progamingtours.net/index.php?/PGT-eSport-Review/starcraft-2-pgt-esport-review.html
You already posted this link.
Give it up man. School is the better option regardless of what you think, I hate to see Stephano leave to but he is making this decision for himself, and it is the correct one
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| Darmuth United States. January 16 2012 06:35. Posts 50 | Profile # |
Thank you TotalBiscuit, dApollo, Intricacy, Stephano, Thorzain, Ret, Grubby, Darkforce, Nightend, Socke, Cloud and the rest of the crew. Great tournament, can't wait until SCI5.
And ending with The TotalBiscuit Ballad, was just EPIC! The TotalBiscuit Ballad Full Version Last edit: 2012-01-16 06:41:27 |
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| SaoPaulo Brazil. January 16 2012 06:35. Posts 62 | Profile # |
1Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon$255,790
2SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul$236,750
3Incredible MiracleLim "NesTea" Jae Duk$229,840
4SlayerSMun "MMA" Seong-Won$135,460
5Evil GeniusesLee "PuMa" Ho Joon$116,350
6Team SCV LifeChoi "Polt" Seong Hun$113,330
7PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon$106,450
8StartaleKim "FruitDealer" Won Gi$101,675
9FXOpenLee "Leenock" Dong Nyung$82,895
10MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri$77,290
Thats the amount these players won since the last year. This does not include, for example, sponsorship, teams and streaming.
But I agree with Stephano`s decision.. But I wouldn`t bash him if he chooses SC2, thats it.Last edit: 2012-01-16 06:36:41 |
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 msjakofsky January 16 2012 06:36. Posts 1169 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:30 Rataplan wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF
school > sc2
money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry
No,its not.
He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument.
80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education.
I hope that you mean 80k Danish krones (=14k $). If not, then I move to Denmark. Good tournament and congrats Stephano! 
i looked it up, minimal wage is like 3,5k euros from people of my country, that's good but not 80k per year (and minimal wage for the danish is actually lower than for foreigners)
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| Eurekastreet January 16 2012 06:36. Posts 1234 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:30 Roe wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:28 Azarkon wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:22 tdt wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:19 tetrismaan wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:17 SaoPaulo wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:16 TheKefka wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:15 Extenz wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 vOkk wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:14 Extenz wrote:
NO STEPHANO DON'T LEAVE SC2 WTF
school > sc2
money from stream, tournaments and salary > job and school, sry
No,its not.
He won more than 80k during 2011. It`s not? Let me see ur argument.
80k $ isnt much income for a year if you have to make a living. Thats almost what you can earn (at least in Denmark) from a job without education.
He won all that in last 3 months or so. Triple or quaddruple that for 2012 - does 320K seem like a lot?
He can't keep doing it, that's the problem. The best pro-gamers have their years, but within a decade they're out of the scene. Then it's coaching, casting, managing, etc. - none of which are lucrative careers compared to, say, being a doctor. It's the same in professional sports, except that the pay there is a lot higher, and even then pro sports isn't seen as a stable career compared to being a doctor, programmer, etc. Hence the reason universities have scholarships and part-time programs for sports players - to make up for the opportunity cost of playing it.
how many people become doctors? that's not a great comparison. and lots of doctors/programmers get layed off because their employers dotn want to spend money. if you're a freelance worker, you make money on your own effort like he is right now.
He has a contract in a team. How does that make him more free lance than any doctor working in a hospital ? And many doctors have private studies or clinics if they're lucky, and those usually are the wealthy ones who earn more than any progamer (so far). Not many people become doctors but it's even worse with progamers I'm sure. Everybody needs doctors, not many people need to watch e-sport (and therefore spend money on it). And doctors don't get laid off so easily in France as far as I know. Not arguing for the sake of arguing but I don't understand your logic.
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| magnaflow Canada. January 16 2012 06:37. Posts 1398 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:33 Intricacy wrote:
Tip Jars are open until midnight tonight for players. At this time, total winnings look like this :
Stephano $2867
ThorZaIN:$1771
Ret:$853
Grubby:$776,
NightEnD:$325
Socke:$288
DarKFoRcE:$921
ClouD:$233
I love how people are just willing to throw money at other people that don't really need it. None of these guys are suffering at all and I bet they are all laughing about how much they get for basically doing nothing |
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| tdt United States. January 16 2012 06:37. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
| Another thing people are forgetting is not making a dime while going to school. aka opportunity cost. On the other hand if you can make bank at 17-18 save and invest it, yes you can be richer at 55 than even become a doctor at 28 because of the power of compounding. |
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 TheKefka Croatia. January 16 2012 06:38. Posts 8488 | Profile Blog # |
On January 16 2012 06:35 SaoPaulo wrote:
1Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon$255,790
2SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul$236,750
3Incredible MiracleLim "NesTea" Jae Duk$229,840
4SlayerSMun "MMA" Seong-Won$135,460
5Evil GeniusesLee "PuMa" Ho Joon$116,350
6Team SCV LifeChoi "Polt" Seong Hun$113,330
7PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon$106,450
8StartaleKim "FruitDealer" Won Gi$101,675
9FXOpenLee "Leenock" Dong Nyung$82,895
10MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri$77,290
Thats the amount these players won since the last year. This does not include, for example, sponsorship, teams and streaming.
See the drop off in earned money from the first place to the 10th?
The number drop off below that is worse.Your just undermining your own bubble.
There is not argument to be made in sc vs school,kid.Unless you are Lee Young-Ho.Last edit: 2012-01-16 06:39:40 |
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| Switchy January 16 2012 06:39. Posts 343 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:35 SaoPaulo wrote:
1Incredible MiracleJeong "Mvp" Jong Hyeon$255,790
2SK GamingJang "MC" Min Chul$236,750
3Incredible MiracleLim "NesTea" Jae Duk$229,840
4SlayerSMun "MMA" Seong-Won$135,460
5Evil GeniusesLee "PuMa" Ho Joon$116,350
6Team SCV LifeChoi "Polt" Seong Hun$113,330
7PrimeLee "MarineKing" Jung Hoon$106,450
8StartaleKim "FruitDealer" Won Gi$101,675
9FXOpenLee "Leenock" Dong Nyung$82,895
10MilleniumIlyes "Stephano" Satouri$77,290
Thats the amount these players won since the last year. This does not include, for example, sponsorship, teams and streaming.
But I agree with Stephano`s decision.. But I wouldn`t bash him if he chooses SC2, thats it.
And 95%+ of 'progamers' earned fuckall. There is no future in being a progamer, stop kidding yourself. I like being able to watch these pro's battle it out. But overall its very stupid to try and become a pro for 99% of people i'd say. |
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| msjakofsky January 16 2012 06:39. Posts 1169 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:31 DOUDOU wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:25 msjakofsky wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:20 DOUDOU wrote:
On January 16 2012 06:19 tdt wrote:
Why would you QUIT Stephano if you're winning all that European paper? You can go to school at anytime and we go to school to make paper you're getting it before hand. Get while getting is good.
yes it will be sooooo easy to study for 8 years (if you don't fail a single year) starting at 25...
i think it's six, after that 4 years of resident training here you don't even get into the best clinics if you even had one or two bad grade during the 6 years;) actually he kinda has to succeed with the exam to get in first doesn't he? it's quite hard in hungary
i have a friend in med school, i'll ask him, but i thinks it's 5 ten resident but exams are really hard, you don't have many opportunities to catch up on failed exams, and you have to be good at everything cause one good grade doesn't really balance a bad one
i meant the exam just to get in the school
but yeah i'm an engineer and even though i had to study a lot my dentist friend had to study ridiculous amounts compared to me with latin words all over and it's even more for regular doctors |
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| Darkfrog Austria. January 16 2012 06:39. Posts 211 | Profile # |
A little bit jelly, hu?
Anyhow, thanks to everyone who made this possible! |
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| [17]Purple United Kingdom. January 16 2012 06:39. Posts 1949 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:29 SaoPaulo wrote:"StarCraft 2 has seen growth since release in number of tournaments, prize pool and player base. Gamers are paying for 1on1 coaching sessions from professionals. South Korean structured gaming houses are being started around the world. Increase sponsorships and salaries for professional gamers. We are confident that StarCraft 2 is still in its early stages. We predict over 6,000,000 USD in prizes for 2012." "StarCraft 2 sold more copies in its first month than any other RTS. Since its release StarCraft 2 has had more tournaments and prizes than any other eSport since its release. SC2 according to Battle.net has over 700,000 online on January 11th, 2012. StarCraft 2 is aired on some television channels with MLG trying to get StarCraft 2 aired on ESPN. This has yet to happen but MLG hasen't stopped trying and as StarCraft 2 continues to grow it will only become easier to get it aired." http://www.progamingtours.net/index.php?/PGT-eSport-Review/starcraft-2-pgt-esport-review.html
This doesn't mean anything, despite SC2 becoming bigger (which is obviously great), he cannot expect to earn $80,000 each year from tournament winnings. That is simply unrealistic, not everyone can win Code S and get the big fat $45,000 prize, heck if you cling on Ro32 of Code S every season for an entire year you earn $4,875 for an entire year... people need to remember that pros don't walk into tournaments with a guaranteed future. |
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| tdt United States. January 16 2012 06:40. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 06:37 magnaflow wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 06:33 Intricacy wrote:
Tip Jars are open until midnight tonight for players. At this time, total winnings look like this :
Stephano $2867
ThorZaIN:$1771
Ret:$853
Grubby:$776,
NightEnD:$325
Socke:$288
DarKFoRcE:$921
ClouD:$233
I love how people are just willing to throw money at other people that don't really need it. None of these guys are suffering at all and I bet they are all laughing about how much they get for basically doing nothing
What do you mean doing nothing? Can you extract economic rents from 50,000 people? They can hence pay.
Tbow can extract it from 100,000 in the stands and another 30,000,000 on TV hence his pay for just playing game.
Welcome to capitalism 101Last edit: 2012-01-16 06:42:27 |
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