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| Shellshock1122 United States. January 16 2012 14:39. Posts 39048 | Profile Blog # |
| Sorry I missed this tournament. I was only able to catch the first 2 games of the finals. I guess the result isnt too surprising. Thanks for running an awesome tourney. Hope to catch the next one |
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| DisillusionedAcronym January 16 2012 15:51. Posts 125 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 10:52 Jimmeh wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:34 Jimmeh wrote:
This was a great little tournament with some really good games.
The only criticism I have is that the observer (I assume TotalBiscuit) is, frankly, awful. Constantly misses drops, runbys, expansions etc. because they're too busy focusing on something else. For the next tournament, it'd be nice if we could get either a dedicated observer, or just another caster to observe (preferably someone who is Masters or above as they're more used to paying attention to the minimap).
Still, thanks for the tournament. It was very fun to watch.
We barely missed anything and I've been practicing my observing a ton so I find this rather insulting and downheartening.
Go and watch Thorzain vs Ret (I think it was Ret anyway, definitely a Zerg) on Daybreak. You miss several engagements, drops, etc. (if it's the game I'm thinking of anyway) whilst you watch this big battle in the middle when, really, that's not the main focus. Another game, I think anyway, which I can't remember who played so I apologise, I noticed 2 hatches being sniped by drops whilst you focused on a hatchery being built. I really don't want to be harsh. It's really nice that you've been practising and, honestly, it shows. You've certainly improved a lot. It honestly only seems to happen when there's one big engagement going on whilst a lot of tiny things (drops, etc.) happen at the same time. Also, the worst observing moments seemed to happen towards the end of the first day so, to be fair, you were probably just tired and overworked. I can understand that casting and observing at the same time can be hard (to say the least) but if you can't observe competently whilst casting then you shouldn't be observing, especially when you have someone with you who will probably be better. I honestly don't mean anything rude by this. You're an entertaining caster, even if you do have your faults, and you obviously put your heart and soul into your work. And I personally really appreciate it. You're very dedicated and it's nice to see someone put so much effort into something (let alone the amount of money you personally contributed towards the prize pool). I just think you should stick to what you're good at (casting) and let someone else do the observing if you're not as good as them. EDIT: Second game I was thinking of is Thorzain vs Stephano on Daybreak, I believe, from Day 1. EDIT2: Thorzain vs Stephano on Antiga from Day 1, sorry.
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| JackDT January 16 2012 16:00. Posts 705 | Profile # |
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
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 Seraphone United Kingdom. January 16 2012 16:01. Posts 1219 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree. Most people do pre-med programs but you can theoretically major in Film and go to med school, you'll just have a lot of trouble hacking the first year classes.
In the US it is. Not in Europe. In Europe you do a degree in medicine from 18 to 23. |
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| Mosquitow England. January 16 2012 16:02. Posts 476 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
In France you do |
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| foxmeep Australia. January 16 2012 16:32. Posts 1612 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 00:51 KalWarkov wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 00:48 foxmeep wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:44 ZAiNs wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:42 WiljushkA wrote:
On January 16 2012 00:40 KalWarkov wrote:
balance ftw.
dont make balance excuses for grubby being the worse player. if you ever watched stephano playing against top korean protosses with this playstyle you'd see that they dont have any trouble dealing with it. its just that grubby's lategame management/harass/army micro is not that good.
Not balance whining but can you give show me an example? None of Stephano's games I remember vs top Korean Protosses have allowed him to reach this composition.
That's exactly how you beat it  Grubby played an absolutely terrible late game to allow Stephano to mass up so many infestor/broodlords. Against a good player, you simply don't get to sit around till you have the spare 10,000 gas for that unit composition.
so you admit that protoss relies on timings and 2/3 base allins to beat zerg? how funny is that please. shouldnt it be possible for any race to at least have the possiblity to fight any army almost equally in very late game to be able to win games with massive leads? Its sad that you kill 50 supply of a Zerg army (zerg, the race iwth the highest income usually) with any composition?
Sitting on your ass on 4 bases with 6k/6k resources and a shit unit composition while your opponent comes back from a 50 supply deficit and takes 6 bases in no way infers that Protoss "relies on timings and 2/3 base all ins".
Void/colo/storm/mothership can easily stand up to infestor/broodlord/corruptor - if you have the skill to control it. If not, that's your problem, not the games. |
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| zaradron Canada. January 16 2012 17:20. Posts 15 | Profile # |
| Awesome tournament! Loved the 58 minute first game of the finals, thought thorzain would manage to win with Stephano being mined out and thorzain still having some minerals and gas left but Stephano did that genius run by to kill the structures. Stephano just dominated the tournament! |
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| tommym January 16 2012 17:22. Posts 41 | Profile # |
| Why didn't ThorZaIN just use MVPs build with mass build flame helion and mass marines? |
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| theBALLS Singapore. January 16 2012 17:38. Posts 2103 | Profile Blog # |
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
Haha
You poor American :D
We non-Americans all go in at 18.Last edit: 2012-01-16 17:39:17 |
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| Elroi Sweden. January 16 2012 20:16. Posts 3863 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
never mind.Last edit: 2012-01-16 20:17:33 |
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| gregnog United States. January 16 2012 20:46. Posts 289 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 17:38 theBALLS wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
Haha You poor American :D We non-Americans all go in at 18.
Your Med school is seperate from your universitys? Last edit: 2012-01-16 20:46:59 |
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| bbm United Kingdom. January 16 2012 20:53. Posts 1287 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 20:46 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:38 theBALLS wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
Haha You poor American :D We non-Americans all go in at 18.
Your Med school is seperate from your universitys?
no, our med schools are part of our unis. In my dorm in first year I was staying with a 1st year med student. In seven years time he was gonna be a doctor, but then he went to uni, did lectures, went home, same as the rest of us. |
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| True_Spike Poland. January 16 2012 21:00. Posts 1859 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 20:46 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:38 theBALLS wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
Haha You poor American :D We non-Americans all go in at 18.
Your Med school is seperate from your universitys?
In Poland, after you finish basic education (depending on your choices it can take either 12 or 13 years, not counting preschool education) you can (and 99,9% of people do) enter the matura examination (something on the lines of the American SAT's or the British A-Levels). The better your score, the higher your chance to get into a better higher education institution, of which there are 3 basic types - universities, ITs (polytechnics) and medical schools (the best ones are public,much like in the UK, except it doesn't cost you a dime - unless you didn't score very high, in which case you need to pay or pursue an obscure field of study). Depending on your field of study it can take anywhere from 3 to 7 years to get the basic degree and then you can begin working towards your doctorate (PhD), professorship (ordinarius, extraordinarius and so on). I imagine the system is similiar throughout the EU, with a few minor differences here and there.Last edit: 2012-01-16 21:07:53 |
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 Rabbitmaster January 16 2012 21:02. Posts 1309 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 20:46 gregnog wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 17:38 theBALLS wrote:
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
Haha You poor American :D We non-Americans all go in at 18.
Your Med school is seperate from your universitys?
Afaik "medical school" is a university program in sweden atleast. I think you do 5-8 years at uni to become a doctor.
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| balosan Poland. January 16 2012 21:11. Posts 198 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 14:36 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:34 Jimmeh wrote:
This was a great little tournament with some really good games.
The only criticism I have is that the observer (I assume TotalBiscuit) is, frankly, awful. Constantly misses drops, runbys, expansions etc. because they're too busy focusing on something else. For the next tournament, it'd be nice if we could get either a dedicated observer, or just another caster to observe (preferably someone who is Masters or above as they're more used to paying attention to the minimap).
Still, thanks for the tournament. It was very fun to watch.
I feel comments like this must be what really ruins a caster's day, the typical "you get 100 positive remarks but then one critic ruins it all". Yeah, I realize where you're coming from: The observer missed a few things, a runby here, a drop there. I'll give you that. But neither did TB miss stuff "constantly", nor was his general observing "awful". Please, really, work on your language. You can't say the that the tournament was very fun to watch and at the same time that the awful caster should be replaced by someone who actually knows the game next time. That's not feedback, even if you think it is; with this formulation, it's close to being an insult.
How is awful map awarness ( i assume that is what jimme meant) equal to awful caster and how its not a feedback. How do u want to help any caster improve without any criticism or like u called it "formulas close to being insults". Stop being a fanboy and open ur eyes plz.
And yes u can say that tournament was fun to watch but observing was "awful". In the end biggest factor of tournaments being good is quality of games (players), at least in my opinion. |
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| Jimmeh United Kingdom. January 16 2012 21:13. Posts 804 | Profile Blog # |
On January 16 2012 15:51 DisillusionedAcronym wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 16 2012 10:52 Jimmeh wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:38 TotalBiscuit wrote:
On January 16 2012 10:34 Jimmeh wrote:
This was a great little tournament with some really good games.
The only criticism I have is that the observer (I assume TotalBiscuit) is, frankly, awful. Constantly misses drops, runbys, expansions etc. because they're too busy focusing on something else. For the next tournament, it'd be nice if we could get either a dedicated observer, or just another caster to observe (preferably someone who is Masters or above as they're more used to paying attention to the minimap).
Still, thanks for the tournament. It was very fun to watch.
We barely missed anything and I've been practicing my observing a ton so I find this rather insulting and downheartening.
Go and watch Thorzain vs Ret (I think it was Ret anyway, definitely a Zerg) on Daybreak. You miss several engagements, drops, etc. (if it's the game I'm thinking of anyway) whilst you watch this big battle in the middle when, really, that's not the main focus. Another game, I think anyway, which I can't remember who played so I apologise, I noticed 2 hatches being sniped by drops whilst you focused on a hatchery being built. I really don't want to be harsh. It's really nice that you've been practising and, honestly, it shows. You've certainly improved a lot. It honestly only seems to happen when there's one big engagement going on whilst a lot of tiny things (drops, etc.) happen at the same time. Also, the worst observing moments seemed to happen towards the end of the first day so, to be fair, you were probably just tired and overworked. I can understand that casting and observing at the same time can be hard (to say the least) but if you can't observe competently whilst casting then you shouldn't be observing, especially when you have someone with you who will probably be better. I honestly don't mean anything rude by this. You're an entertaining caster, even if you do have your faults, and you obviously put your heart and soul into your work. And I personally really appreciate it. You're very dedicated and it's nice to see someone put so much effort into something (let alone the amount of money you personally contributed towards the prize pool). I just think you should stick to what you're good at (casting) and let someone else do the observing if you're not as good as them. EDIT: Second game I was thinking of is Thorzain vs Stephano on Daybreak, I believe, from Day 1. EDIT2: Thorzain vs Stephano on Antiga from Day 1, sorry.
no disrespect, bro, but "frankly, awful" is awfully harsh for the job they did. you claim that they "Constantly misses drops, runbys, expansions etc." and yet managed to come up with 2 examples (needing to edit twice to even come up with the right game/instances . . . that without trying to cast and deal with tournaments at the same time). that is, regardless of your later retraction, rude, not to mention a pathetic exaggeration of the highest order and, as shokk said, not remotely constructive in any way. were they perfect? nah. but most people seem to be able to appreciate the quality of the work they DID successfully do.
The 2 examples I gave were the worst cases I noticed which really stood out to me. As to why it took me 2 edits to come up with them, you try remembering every game from 2 day weekend perfectly.
I used the word "awful" and perhaps that was an exaggeration. On its own, no, the observing wasn't awful. Actually, it was pretty decent. Certainly much better than smaller run tournaments (i.e. Playhem). But, compared to larger, more prestigious tournaments (i.e. GSL, but that goes without saying), the observing was definitely lacking which is what I meant by awful.
As for "not remotely constructive in any way", that's bullshit. How am I even supposed to be constructive? "Hey, TB, it'd be really, really nice if you could, you know, not miss things". You can't be constructive about these things since, at the end of the day, it's a pretty simple (albeit very hard, especially if you're casting at the same time) job. I gave the best constructive criticism I could; "don't observe". Is it harsh? Probably. Is it the truth? Definitely.
If TotalBiscuit really wants to improve this tournament, he'll get a different observer for the next one as that was, to me, the only bad thing about the entire weekend. Everything else was next to perfect. People like you need to realise that constantly sucking up to someone ("TOTALBISCUIT YOU'RE SO GOOD OMG") isn't constructive either. Last edit: 2012-01-16 21:14:15 |
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 JimmyJRaynor Canada. January 16 2012 22:22. Posts 1625 | Profile Blog # |
I love how the playlist is set up on Youtube.com
just find the first video for the first round....
get out the giant bag of popcorn... stick it on 720p,
avoid the spoilers....
and this is just a great event with great action...
i rate this a 9/10 online event.
the only thing that can make this a 10/10 event would be if expert level analysis such as Artosis or a pro player commentating.
often in broadcasting of traditional sports a team of 2 with 1 broadcast journalist expert is teamed with a former pro player makes for amazing insight into the games being played. i respect apollo's previous experience as a pro C&C player. and he is a really solid SC2 commentator, but he is not in the class of an analyst like Artosis.
although i'm providing 1 place for where improvement it must be said that if the "ShoutCraft Formula" remains the same and does not improve i'd still watch it every time.
i'm not british and i think the union jack/british patriotism flag waving thing is cool and tastefully done without being overbearing.
to detail my only 1 criticism... the analysis and commentary was pretty good... but Artosis and other SC2 pros could provide the "best in the business" type analysis. this is the only thing that can get better... everything else was letter perfect.
great job. great entertainment.
On January 16 2012 16:00 JackDT wrote:
You don't go into medical school at 18. Medical school is a grad program, you go AFTER a university degree.
As many hear can probably attest, it's possible to play a LOT of SC2 in college. Even in a challenging program.
how do topics get derailed into this silliness..
any how..
you can apply to medical school after 2 years of post-secondary education, but that would have to be in a very closely related area such as biology or kinesiology.
many apply after getting a full 4 year degree in bio chemistry or even engineering.
theoretically, you can get into medical school in NA at 18 if you start college/university at 16 and apply after 2 years of school.
I'd say that only 1/100 first year medical school students in NA are 18 or underLast edit: 2012-01-16 22:32:44 |
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| Vadrigar Bulgaria. January 16 2012 23:03. Posts 882 | Profile # |
On January 16 2012 22:22 JimmyJRaynor wrote:
the only thing that can make this a 10/10 event would be if expert level analysis such as Artosis or a pro player commentating.
Uhm Apollo? He's better than Artosis in the game I believe, he plays random and his analysis is at least on par with Artosis's. |
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| JimmyJRaynor Canada. January 16 2012 23:05. Posts 1625 | Profile Blog # |
i don't think it is... but Apollo is good.
Artosis has more "leading edge" knowledge and is better overall.
also, several of the pros at Homestory Cup provided better analysis than Apollo.
although they do not sound as polished as Apollo. But, then, that is the purpose of having the broadcasting expert/specialist on the team. To smooth out the presentation errors made by the analysis/guru guy.
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| JimmyJRaynor Canada. January 16 2012 23:09. Posts 1625 | Profile Blog # |
On January 16 2012 11:53 ballasdontcry wrote:
it's not unheard of for residents to do 70-80 hours a week while being paid peanuts. you won't have time to game on the side, let alone keep up a high enough level of gaming, when you're being worked like a dog through your residency.
in Canada Medical residents are paid far more than "peanuts". but its also a lot lower than the 150K+ that even the lowest paid MDs make upon graduation
there are probably less than 100 SC2 players that make more money than a Canadian Medical School Resident.
and this is guaranteed money...
1 case of carpal tunnel syndrome or a "bad month" and an SC2 pro players salary plummets.
wrist and RSI injuries are common.
i don't know how much residents are paid in other countries but its probably pretty similar.
an anaesthesiologist can make 500K in Canada how many SC2 pros made that?
this year's graduating class of U of Toronto medical school will make more money hands down than the 100 best SC2 pros over the next 5 years.
and you get a certain kind of job satisfaction that you just can't get interacting with polygons 10 hours per day 6 days per week.Last edit: 2012-01-16 23:13:36 |
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