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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 06:47. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
I think cwave isnt a weak town player. With things like JUMPING on radfield for giving scum a rating system (seriously it is cwave who clearly made this a ratinf system...) and saying that scum have 5 words when the rules make it obv that it is an unkoen amount ANNNNNNND his attempt to abuse the intent of calling him a VI....
There is a difference between bad town and scummy.
He is by far the best lynch canidate thus far. |
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Radfield  Canada. January 27 2012 07:02. Posts 2681 | Profile # |
I think cwave isnt a weak town player.
Why not?
Also, the way he jumped on me does not point to mafia motivation. I think Cwave legitimately saw my post as an attempt to communicate a code(albeit a useless code) and leapt to his feet crying foul. It fits with his meta from Election mafia. Mafia have very little motivation to call out someone they think might be sending messages. It puts both them and their potential buddy in the spotlight.
Consider this vader. If mafia restriction is not 5 words, then mafia now are almost certain Cwave is townie and a good person to push to lynch(As an aside, just like # of mafia, no one should be speculating on # words or characters). It's very possible in my mind that you are scum and pushing him precisly because of this 
This is also why its a bad plan. Setting out on day 1 with a game plan of never allowing 'leaders' to emerge is an amazingly bad plan. How often does one or two players end up contributing way more than others? This plan would be to ignore those types of players and to silently cheer them on.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2) |
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| Radfield Canada. January 27 2012 07:02. Posts 2681 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: That post was directed entirely at Vader if it is not obvious. The second quote is from an earlier post of his. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 07:06. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
Ok i follow you on cwave that makes sense.
Who do you think is the scummiest at this point then? |
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| Refallen January 27 2012 07:17. Posts 452 | Profile # |
I'm awake, reading this thread really fast while I have time before school today.
Cwave seems to have scumslipped, and I wouldn't mind voting him based on that. Then again, he was pretty scummy when he was VT in purgatory too, so I don't mind waiting for a better lynch target.
Mafia have very little motivation to call out someone they think might be sending messages. It puts both them and their potential buddy in the spotlight.
That said however, I don't think Cwave is an idiot. He might very well be trying to hide in plain sight as scum here just because someone might think like this, trying to out himself to other sleeper cell members. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 07:18. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
Ahhhh a keyboard. Hate posting via phone.
This is a ridiculous argument. In no way does anyone get ignored and in no way do leaders not emerge. Leaders don't become leaders because a bunch of people call them town. Leaders become leaders and THEN a bunch of people call them town. Just keep your townreads to yourself, at the very least early on in the game(Day 1/2)
Ok... and then what are we to do when you think a player is contributing really good things is about to get lynched? Saying I think they aren't scum vs I think they are town...
WHATS THE DIFFERENCE?
Really, I see this 'plan' in regaurds to this issue as not very useful I guess. Maybe it isn't a bad plan (you are right that players offer things and then get called town) in the sense that it hamstrings us (though it does limit the language we can use to discuss things which, if it really serves no greater purpose, DOES hurt our ability to play) but what advantage does it really offer?
I totally see the point about lists that makes 100% sense. But please help me here, the difference between calling someone not scum vs town....
I just see every math teacher in teh world laughing at that statement.
Consider this vader. If mafia restriction is not 5 words, then mafia now are almost certain Cwave is townie and a good person to push to lynch(As an aside, just like # of mafia, no one should be speculating on # words or characters).
You are ignoring the fact that they can in fact talk out side of the thread I realized. Anything can be a breadcrumb because we will never see the full meaning of things that are intended to have double meaning.
I read it as he said 5 words for one of 3 reasons:
1. Scumslip
2. He isn't lieing and he pulled it from a previous game
3. It is part of a fake out that we can't see fully because of hidden messages.
I just see more ways that him saying that fit with a scum pattern than a town pattern. I see him as scummy for this statement and though I see your point it falls apart as solid evidence the more I think about it. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 07:22. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
On January 26 2012 14:02 redFF wrote:
I think the key and best part about it is that it leaves out varying degrees of townieness so that we don't have 6 people in the thread calling one person very town and then that person gets killed.
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I can accept this as logical. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 07:41. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.
Whoa this post...
Why are you leaning 5 and town having some blues.
Explain the logic behind this post. |
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| bumatlarge United States. January 27 2012 07:49. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
On January 27 2012 02:09 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 00:15 Hesmyrr wrote:Agree with no town read strategy, but looking over redFF's posts anyone could have validly brought up the "no scum" point so his behaviour is null-read for me. For example bumatlarge mentions it too and statement goes unchallenged... because it was less aggressive? I've seen too many times where people are lynched for arguing against town popular opinion. Also, ##Vote bumatlargehis first post is just bad like many pointed out. Surprised no one decided to lean over him for it -_- In fact, Radfield, why did you not vote him then (therefore encouraging more discussion)? lends more credence to your big-post-intended-to-coach-scum theory. Cwave. What bad wording specifically?
I didn't vote him for several reasons, mostly because I think voting early and often hurts ones credibility. However, I DO think Bum is a good lynch so far. Lets break it down: * He made a post referencing that he thinks there are 5 mafia members. As I pointed out, this is one way for mafia to communicate. However, players do this all the time at the start of games with hidden mafia counts, so it is hardly damning.
Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 13:22 bumatlarge wrote:
I get the "calling people town" gig, but how would mafia figure out who each other are based on speculation? I don't see anyway I could hint that I'm scum without townies seeing it, or that townies could just fake?
Mafia are going to find mafia based on reads rather then hints I would think. And above those, broadcasts are going to give them an edge. Seems kinda pointless.
I would be curious as to what GGQ and jackal would know to look out for in the first game, but jackal was LOL, and GGQ for all intent and purpose was a townie.
If you're looking for hidden breadcrumbs, this one jumps right out at you. Read that line, out of context it actually says "I could hint that I'm scum" He also calls my suggestions pointless, even though it seem he understands them. He also makes a random sentance about wanting Jackal/GGQ's advice while simultaneously mentioning that the advice would be pretty worthless. These are all pretty minor things, but added up they constitute a slight case.
Well maybe it is a hidden breadcrumb for me not to get shot, and I'm not scum? Your move kaiba.
And your suggestions would be cool if you didn't fuck them up with the "not scum" BS. Yes, we all get town reads, but the point here is to not post them in the thread. I am suspicious of you not immediately using that.
I feel like you are doing what you said people were doing with cwave, except with me. I don't plan on being lynched |
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| bumatlarge United States. January 27 2012 07:51. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
On January 27 2012 07:41 vaderseven wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 26 2012 10:40 bumatlarge wrote:
Depending on power roles, I'd say there are about 4-5 mafia? Leaning 5 and town having some blues.
Whoa this post... Why are you leaning 5 and town having some blues. Explain the logic behind this post.
Last sleeper cell it was 16 players and 5 scum, with 3(?) town power roles. I was speculating it would be in that field. But I'm not allowed to talk about it anymore  |
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| bumatlarge United States. January 27 2012 07:55. Posts 3844 | Profile Blog # |
And on that note, it's no where near certain that cwave slipped, he just might have done his homework.
(from last game)
CELL LEADER:
Your entire life has been devoted to running your tiny cell of agents. The time has come to put them into action. You know the names of all other Agents. You always returns "Insufficient Information for Analysis" to investigations. Each night, you will recieve a list of agents and their votes. In the event of a TIE in voting, or if ALL nominations are agents, you may cast tiebreaking vote. In the event of death, flips Cell Leader and a new Cell Leader is chosen by RNG between remaining Agents. You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player. The message is PM'd to both myself and chaoser. We will send it to the player you specify. Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost". Feel free to crumb, just don't put the name (or any form of the name) in there. If all agents are dead, you may choose each kill.
iGrok didn't put this in the OP so it is very possible this role isn't in the game, or at least it functions very differently. |
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| Zephirdd Brazil. January 27 2012 08:17. Posts 4505 | Profile Blog # |
VOTE COUNT
redFF(2): bumatlarge, Navillus
Radfield(2): Meapak_Ziphh, Cwave
Cwave(2): Blazinghand, GGQ
Navillus(1): redFF
bumatlarge(1): Hesmyrr
Both 'scumslips' people posted are nothing but what they were in Sleeper Cell I. I'd say that, as far as scumslips go, these can be overlooked - still, we gotta pay attention to Cwave and bum.
Since most people said a lot and no new discussions were raised(that or I missed a new topic), I'll just post here that keeping your town reads to yourself is different from calling people not scum. One directly calls a person as green, the other makes it a question mark.
It's pretty much like calling out blues. You just don't call them out, because you don't want mafia to realize they are blues. Same thing, except it's with greens. |
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| Jackal58 United States. January 27 2012 09:51. Posts 4264 | Profile # |
On January 27 2012 07:55 bumatlarge wrote:And on that note, it's no where near certain that cwave slipped, he just might have done his homework. (from last game)
Show nested quote +CELL LEADER:
Your entire life has been devoted to running your tiny cell of agents. The time has come to put them into action. You know the names of all other Agents. You always returns "Insufficient Information for Analysis" to investigations. Each night, you will recieve a list of agents and their votes. In the event of a TIE in voting, or if ALL nominations are agents, you may cast tiebreaking vote. In the event of death, flips Cell Leader and a new Cell Leader is chosen by RNG between remaining Agents. You may send a message consisting of 5 words or 20 characters to any agent at dawn and dusk of each day. Submit it like a normal action. The message can't contain the name of any player. The message is PM'd to both myself and chaoser. We will send it to the player you specify. Cute attempts to get around the "No Names" rule or the word/char limit will result in the message being "lost". Feel free to crumb, just don't put the name (or any form of the name) in there. If all agents are dead, you may choose each kill.
iGrok didn't put this in the OP so it is very possible this role isn't in the game, or at least it functions very differently.
It appears to not be in play. The OP states they each send a message and they each receive all broadcasts. It still appears to me that Radfield was breadcrumbing info in his post regarding More scum Less scum. I can think of no other reason to state that the way he did.
##VOTE: Radfield. |
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| Zephirdd Brazil. January 27 2012 10:16. Posts 4505 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Jackal58 United States. January 27 2012 10:26. Posts 4264 | Profile # |
Sorry. Too many tabs open. I didn't hit post. Thanks. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 11:35. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
##vote Cwave
Forgot to do that.
@Radfield
I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up. |
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| redFF United States. January 27 2012 13:00. Posts 3889 | Profile Blog # |
On January 27 2012 11:35 vaderseven wrote:
##vote Cwave
Forgot to do that.
@Radfield
I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up.
Navillus is a far better lynch. |
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| Mr. Wiggles Canada. January 27 2012 13:09. Posts 4685 | Profile Blog # |
On January 27 2012 06:05 Radfield wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 05:48 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Radfield, why did you use a different scheme of enumeration in you example list? Answer this.
I don't know. Do you think there's something more sinister about it as a result?
Yes, because mafia can't use abbreviated language unless someone posts a public key, which you did. If you had just posted with the same letters or numbers, then it's no longer a key that can be used to shorten scum communications. Now they just went from only having a binary designation, to having gradations to communicate their reads to their team, which isn't exactly useful for the town.
On January 26 2012 14:55 vaderseven wrote:
I have no idea how to read all that stupid-ness about how to properly term a read. WTF was that. It wasn't useful thats for sure.
Lets try to get a bit more on track than debating something insanely useless like that.
I actually find Navillus a bit squirmy but I have never played with him and thats like the barest of gut reads on the last few posts of his.
I hate day 1.
Vader, what happened to this? Why'd you bring up the town vs. not scum discussion again? |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 15:43. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
| Read my posts following that one. I see the point of it now etc. |
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| vaderseven United States. January 27 2012 15:44. Posts 2203 | Profile # |
On January 27 2012 13:00 redFF wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 27 2012 11:35 vaderseven wrote:
##vote Cwave
Forgot to do that.
@Radfield
I still think he is being scummy as all heck compared to everyone else. He gets my vote unless a better candidate comes up.
Navillus is a far better lynch.
I disagree, he seems not as scummy as Cwave to me. |
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