[Patch 1.0.0.132: Sejuani] General Discussion

On February 01 2012 09:29 overt wrote:

On February 01 2012 08:23 Slayer91 wrote:

On February 01 2012 07:00 overt wrote:

On February 01 2012 06:08 Slayer91 wrote:

On February 01 2012 03:59 Noocta wrote:

On February 01 2012 03:52 Shiv. wrote:

On February 01 2012 03:48 Noocta wrote:

On February 01 2012 03:24 Two_DoWn wrote:
Ez is also a really weak lane. Any pusher is gonna give him fits, as well as Cait (but cait does do that to every ad carry, so w/e)

Ezreal shit on Cait oO
Just play agressive, she don't even do half your damage after lvl 3 lol

If you have no clue what you are talking about, please refrain from talking at all.

Tell me what Cait can do if you jump on her agressively after she use her Q. Specialy since cait players usualy stay near the bottom bush becuase of her passive, so minions are less a problem.

But heh.. it can be. I usualy don't have a problem laning against cait as Ezreal. Always felt she's the easiest match up of ez. :/

Ez was always the classic "cait counter" from all top level players. You'll note he stopped being played when cait stopped being picked. I really hate people flaming someone over something that is highly debated as if it's general knowledge.

He wasn't a Cait counter. He can just farm in lane because of the range on his Q. With proper positioning the lane still favors Caitlyn but Ez was capable of farming against a Caitlyn while other champions such as Ashe, Corki, or Vayne had difficulty farming against an aggressive Caitlyn in lane.

Cait has a harder time zoning Ez than other ADs because of Q harass and the fact that Ez can still farm with Q. But Ezreal is not a counter to Caitlyn nor does he win the lane and he especially doesn't shit on her as Noocta said.

Caitlyn is really strong early so most ADs just had to survive the beginning of the game without being fucked over. Almost every AD can survive that lane if they have a good support player and then when the lane phase is over you have an AD carry that's much stronger than Caitlyn simply because of how bad Caitlyn scales.

What? You can farm with max range Q and then you pick your time to jump on caitlyn. You have insane steriods and way more damage with your Q and R and E base damage there's no possible way she can trade with that.

Except that you're not considering supports at all or the fact that Caitlyn has great brush control with her traps. Ez is going to jump on a Caitlyn and take creep agro, Cait autos, and damage from your support? Why? By jump on her I'm assuming you mean E into her which is fine but if anything goes wrong at all he's fucked. There's no way Ez+most supports are going to win a trade by Ez jumping on Caitlyn+her support+her creep wave. (edit: Caitlyn is usually going to have a bigger creep wave than Ez too, if Ez has a creep advantage then Caitlyn is playing the lane all wrong)

The point is, saying that Ezreal is a Caitlyn counter is wrong because Ezreal can't deny Caitlyn farm and isn't going to just straight up kill Caitlyn either unless she plays poorly. To me, a counter isn't someone who can farm okay and maybe win a few trades. A counter is someone who actively denies you farm or can kill you if you try to farm. Ezreal can't do either of these things to Caitlyn in a duo lane. I'm not even sure Ez can do either of those in a solo lane.

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