| wrl United States. January 18 2012 05:00. Posts 204 | Profile # | |
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 WniO United States. January 18 2012 05:04. Posts 2704 | Profile Blog # |
| i want detail shots! but... isnt this like the 7th destinationesque map thats come out recently? |
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dezi  Germany. January 18 2012 05:10. Posts 1417 | Profile Blog # |
Bridges alone don't turn a map into Destination. I don't see much similarities. Whole nat etc. setup is way different and the mid looks quite interesting  |
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| wrl United States. January 18 2012 05:13. Posts 204 | Profile # |
On January 18 2012 05:04 WniO wrote:
i want detail shots! but... isnt this like the 7th destinationesque map thats come out recently?
I'll try and post more, the editor doesn't give the right lighting so I have to grab them from in game which can be a little bit awkward.
As far as being like destination, the only thing in common is the bridges, right? The concept started off looking like this:
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They just evolved into being shorter bridges in later layouts. |
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| Timetwister22 United States. January 18 2012 05:15. Posts 305 | Profile # |
| As a protoss player I'll gladly take the nearly free third, but I'm sure zerg players won't be too happy about that... |
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| wrl United States. January 18 2012 05:23. Posts 204 | Profile # |
On January 18 2012 05:15 Timetwister22 wrote:
As a protoss player I'll gladly take the nearly free third, but I'm sure zerg players won't be too happy about that...
Ya, it will require some testing. Only requires two gateways to block off atm, but one thing Zerg can do is put an overlord on that high ground and attack over hte LOS with Roaches safely away from the toss.
Given the shape of the high ground I can adjust the width of that choke fairly easily after we get some good playtesting in. |
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| AdrianHealey Belgium. January 18 2012 05:25. Posts 479 | Profile # |
| I would wall the choke at the 'free third' with 3 set of rocks, thereby causing that initially it is the narrow choke it is now, but later in the game (if the rocks are taken down) the gap becomes bigger and bigger. Should cause some interesting play, no? |
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| EatThePath United States. January 18 2012 06:19. Posts 2437 | Profile Blog # |
Excellent, excellent center bases and terrain. ;D
You might even make that single geyser high yield to reward holding it and make it more than a consolation/staging ground base, but w/e.
Imo the placement of the 3rd is fine, but it's too easy to wall. The choke itself looks like you could close it with 3 forcefields against roaches (on top of the LosB). I would take out the dRocks and rearrange the LosB. To me, this looks like a perfect opportunity to use a LosB jungle as opposed to clean line. Scatter them around to prevent building a wall in the narrowest part of the choke, so that it requires at least 4 3x3 to wall off completely. And have the clump extend a few squares into the middle. This would make air vision really important over the LosB thicket for both attack and defense of the 3rd, a dynamic we haven't seen yet in a successful competitive map.
Also note that colossus/stalker/sentry in PvZ is so much stronger when you can move across the map through ramps and chokes and hit a zerg 3rd that is easily FF'd. But I suppose zerg would probably take the clockwise 3rd anyway.
This map has really excellent route options. Nice work. |
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| InsidiA Canada. January 18 2012 06:28. Posts 959 | Profile Blog # |
I feel the 3rd is way too easy to take and will make it imbalanced for anything vs Zerg. I guess the argument is that a possible 4th is pretty easy but the choke leading into the 3rd should be much better cause right now it can simply be walled off with relative ease and any race can take quite a quick 3rd safely. And as EatThePath said i'm guessing that Zerg players will take the "4th" instead of the 3rd because of how chokey it is (easy FFs).
However i like the pathing in the middle of the map, and it looks really interesting tbh. |
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| wrl United States. January 18 2012 06:40. Posts 204 | Profile # |
One thing to note about the choice of thirds. If you go horizontal (which zerg will do most of the time) there is less ground to cover when you take a fourth which could be an issue if you are concerned about a high mobility zerg army doing two-pronged attacks.
Again, balancing out those thirds will clearly be a to-do. I'm going to roll with it the way it is for now. We haven't had a ZvP tested on it yet.
Also, EatThePath, the single gas base IS a HY! In-game it is a lot more obvious, I will take a ss soon. |
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| RumbleBadger January 18 2012 07:22. Posts 322 | Profile # |
Something bothers me a little about the high ground 2 gas bases in the 4/10 o'clock positions... I can't quite pinpoint it, it just seems that the base interacts very weirdly with it's surroundings. Maybe the pathing up to the central bases is too tight for my tastes or something... Sorry I'm not being really clear, I just can't even figure out what is actually bothering me, so it's hard for me to be specific.
Otherwise, great map! It's fairly standard and sometimes seems a bit formulaic, but overall quite nice. Well done indeed. And also the aesthetics seem to have a very nice feel. Definitely good work on those. I'll admit there are probably some issues with the third and such, but you seem to be aware of those and working to make it better, so good luck! And great work! |
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| Mikelius Germany. January 18 2012 07:55. Posts 498 | Profile # |
| Kinda reminds me of BW maps, but I can't quite put my finger on it... |
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| Ragoo Germany. January 18 2012 07:57. Posts 2205 | Profile # |
On January 18 2012 07:55 Mikelius wrote:
Kinda reminds me of BW maps, but I can't quite put my finger on it...
Probably because this - as many other new 2p maps too - doesn't have Circle syndrome and is not a square , both of which we did a lot in the past and which we didn't see in BW. |
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| a176 Canada. January 18 2012 09:58. Posts 5383 | Profile Blog # |
really like it.
question: have you tested the rich geyser? last time i used one (accidentally) it completely fucked up worker pathing. i dont know if blizzard has fixed it.
also have to admit, im not sure about the lighting. seems too bright(?), harsh(?), not sure of the word im looking for.Last edit: 2012-01-18 10:01:09 |
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| wrl United States. January 18 2012 10:24. Posts 204 | Profile # |
On January 18 2012 09:58 a176 wrote:
really like it.
question: have you tested the rich geyser? last time i used one (accidentally) it completely fucked up worker pathing. i dont know if blizzard has fixed it.
also have to admit, im not sure about the lighting. seems too bright(?), harsh(?), not sure of the word im looking for.
Ill be sure to take a look at the footprint. The lighting was intended to look more realistic than the standard lighting but the result might be too high contrast.
Many changes in the works. Updates later this week I hope.
I think the HY Gas bug you might be thinking of is that people sometimes use doodads to distinguish HY Gas from normal gas and those doodads can sometimes block assimilator placemint or movement around the geyser. I'm currently also looking for a better way to distinguish the HY geyser from the surroundings.Last edit: 2012-01-19 00:44:55 |
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| a176 Canada. January 19 2012 01:32. Posts 5383 | Profile Blog # |
| what happened was, i placed a HY geyser on a map accidentally instead of the normal geyser. when i went to go test the map, my workers would take all kinds of retarded routes to get back and forth between the geyser and base. so you might just want to quickly test that. |
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| Dudemeister Sweden. January 19 2012 02:23. Posts 305 | Profile # |
| it's so beautiful i want to cry |
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| Meltage Sweden. January 19 2012 03:34. Posts 560 | Profile # |
On January 18 2012 10:24 wrl wrote:
I'm currently also looking for a better way to distinguish the HY geyser from the surroundings.
doodad green omni light height: 1, yo?Last edit: 2012-01-19 03:34:24 |
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| wrl United States. January 19 2012 04:14. Posts 204 | Profile # |
On January 19 2012 03:34 Meltage wrote:
Show nested quote +On January 18 2012 10:24 wrl wrote:
I'm currently also looking for a better way to distinguish the HY geyser from the surroundings.
doodad green omni light height: 1, yo?
Thats what is in the published version of the map, but it doesn't look right with the daytime lighting on the map currently. |
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| wrl United States. January 22 2012 08:02. Posts 204 | Profile # |
v1.2 now available on NA and EU.
Small adjustments across the map including opening up the entrance to the veritcal third expansion. |
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