aLive, "I want to resolve this issue" - Page 17

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On January 19 2012 01:23 Pandemona wrote:
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SPOILER TAG MAYBE

FML t.t

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On January 19 2012 03:52 Boonbag wrote:
sounds like coach lee wanted to get max money from fnatic imo

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On January 19 2012 08:12 gitarrojoe wrote:
i dont like how the situation is handled for the player. its like the teams would decide where he plays, but aside from the contract its alives choice. To say Fnatic did something wrong because they made a good offer to alive is just wierd.

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While he is under contract, he does not have the privilege of talking to outside teams. Speaking as an individual to a friend is fine, but negotiating team arrangements (whether just playing around or not) is not allowed because it influences the player's current role in his current team. Even if the player decides he does not want to take the offer, the mere fact that it was offered to him could spark greed and thus disrupt his performance in the team in which he resides.

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Fnatic, knowing the rules of the game, does not accept responsibility for the actions of their own staff member. Whether their staff was requested to undergo negotiations with aLive or not, discussing terms of contract and team switching are negotiations. A staff member of Fnatic showed characteristics of an unprofessional individual, and aLive then breached contract.
Now with a breach of contract, legal matters can be taken into place, and lawsuits can be filed.

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This is the land of the big boys.

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On January 19 2012 10:00 Timerly wrote:


I seriously doubt any legislation except maybe the US one allows this kind of thing to go through. Example: You get a contract ready to sign sent to your place in a letter. You open it, read it out of couriosity. Have you now breached your contract? This kind of thing is probably not sustainable in employment/service contracts. You may enforce NDAs but that's pretty much where it ends in most countries (I'd be pretty curious about the Korean law on this).



So when did their translator become staff? For that he'd have to have some sort of employment relationship with them, not just services he provides. Plus, without seeing the contract I can already tell you that most likely there was no breach and even if their could be, it's questionable whether it's in the actual contract. You have to be very specific on this shit or any lawyer will mess with you all he wants.



Nope, this is TSL, faaaaar from the big boys in terms of capital, even more so from their cash flow.


Edit: I completely forgot about Lee breaching privacy to acquire that information, if he went on to file a lawsuit aLive could respond harshly. Better not fuck up, Lee?

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On January 19 2012 09:32 PhiliBiRD wrote:
you know, it sems to me coach lee gets butt hurt and takes things out of perspective. this is like the 3rd time i can think of coach lee insinuating drama like this

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On January 19 2012 07:36 GoBackToGo wrote:
lol at coach lee printing out private conversations of one of his players.
no wonder everyone wants to leave TSL

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By swallowing evil words unsaid, no one has ever harmed his stomach. ~Winston Churchill

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On January 19 2012 09:22 Shinta) wrote:

By contract, a player 'belongs' to a team. He is binded to the team, and there is no if's or but's about what the player gets to do. Everything he is allowed to do is stated in the contract, and then the team allows him what they feel, after the contractual liberties are provided. According to contract, a player is not allowed to speak to another team and talk about those kinds of issues.

It is thus, the job of an outside team who wants to pick up a player residing in a team with contract, to go up to the team that player resides in, and begin to discuss agreements in which both teams, plus the player will be happy and comfortable with. They turn into bodies of legislation, in which the well being of the player is decided. If, for example, Fnatic went up to TSL and said "hey we want to offer your player X amount of money, + stay in a team house, open access to Y amount of facilities, and Z opportunities" it is then up to the team who has the player in contract to decide if that is better for their player than what he is currently receiving. If the team wants to trade the player, then they will do so. If they don't want to trade the player, then they will not trade him. Once the contract is finished, it is the decision of both the player and the team to either renew the contract or not to. If the team wants to renew but the player does not, then the player chooses not to, and vice versa. Once the player is no longer under contract, he is a free agent and is allowed to roam and look for teams whenever he chooses.

While he is under contract, he does not have the privilege of talking to outside teams. Speaking as an individual to a friend is fine, but negotiating team arrangements (whether just playing around or not) is not allowed because it influences the player's current role in his current team. Even if the player decides he does not want to take the offer, the mere fact that it was offered to him could spark greed and thus disrupt his performance in the team in which he resides.

Fnatic, knowing the rules of the game, does not accept responsibility for the actions of their own staff member. Whether their staff was requested to undergo negotiations with aLive or not, discussing terms of contract and team switching are negotiations. A staff member of Fnatic showed characteristics of an unprofessional individual, and aLive then breached contract.
Now with a breach of contract, legal matters can be taken into place, and lawsuits can be filed.

THIS IS THE REAL WORLD. Real sports organizations function the same way. This is the land of the big boys. People don't fuck around for any reason in which they so please. When people make mistakes, consequences are then enforced. Lee is trying to show the world that Fnatic showed unprofessional behavior, and they did. He's not saying that Fnatic breached aLive's contract for him, aLive did that on his own. You and everyone else needs to realize that this is a business, and business is thus taken into account.

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On January 19 2012 10:20 Shinta) wrote:

lol
You don't seem to be able to figure out the difference between Fnatic's actions and aLive's actions. Fnatic did something unprofessional. There are no laws against what Fnatic did, it was merely something that is not respectable in the eyes of Korean regularity. Foreign teams I'm sure can also agree as to why they see it was not very professional. As for aLive looking at an official document regarding his professional occupation, it would be standard procedure to hand the document off to Lee and not read it himself. In that case, Fnatic would receive a lot of negative attention, and Lee would then be required to tell aLive what Fnatic is offereing aLive.

The breach of contract is assuming aLive joins Fnatic. If he were to join Fnatic and sign contract with them/play with their team shirt/advertise them in any way/etcetc, then the contract would be breached and legal matters can be taken into place.
Sorry my words were misleadingly provoking that the contract has already been breached. I was talking in terms of if he were to actually join Fnatic before his contract is up, which according to the information provided is very possible.
Lee has pretty good experience in professional eSports management, and afaik he had lawyers write up their contracts. If you think he's stupid enough to allow players to leave his team at will even when they are contracted, then you are making a pretty harsh accusation against his image.

As for your final statement, that was too childish to even take seriously.

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