[Champion] Viktor

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On January 20 2012 11:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:
RoA is the way to go imo. You're going for mid-late game anyways so you might as well take the slow ramp up time and get a good lanining phase with cata/RoA.

Death Augment is the way to go.

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On January 20 2012 11:44 sob3k wrote:
I've been playing a lot of viktor

Augment Death is gonna be your choice all the time.

I open Dring though in pretty much all matchups, I've found I can stay far enough back to avoid nearly all harass, while the mana gives me the ability to stay in lane and harass back with my lazer. I found opening Boots that I ran out of mana far before I would ever come close to running out of health, and lacked the juice to get lvl 3-9 kills. I've had no problem at all avoiding basically all damage barring xerath/brand.

Then the full item path is usually Dring/boots/dring/Death augment/ROA (or Dcap if your team is tanky and can peel for you)/Deathfires (or WOTA if you need sustain for poke wars etc, or Morellos if you cant get blue)/utility item (zhonya/banshee/rylai)

I would always build WOTA for lategame though, its obscenely strong on Viktor and can allow you to push forever as a single lazer minion wave will top you off.

Max R>E>Q>W, with one level in W as early as you feel you need it to avoid ganks.

DO NOT DESPERATION ULT, if you are going to die use it as early as you can, having it completely wasted and only be around for one second is a huge waste.

Running away while lazering is very strong, use smartcast on E at least, it allows you to use the skill much faster and works great, just flick it in the direction you want.

Viktor does have some pretty bad matchups Mid:

Kennen: You may get a kill early if you have a nice jungler or he's bad, but one he gets WOTA you will not be able to get him out of lane, and you will be much easier to gank than him when sticking around in lane. If his jungler is around when his ult is up expect to die, while he can lighting rush out of yours. Also his hitbox is small and hard to lazer.

Vlad: Same story really, too much sustain, but not as bad as Kennen because he probably wont kill you, just a farmfest.

Kassadin: Vik is actually not that bad against kass compared to other APs, but you still wont win trades when he silences you, I might try to max Q first, as you can get it off when he jumps you, but then he can harass you forever with his Q. Just ban kass.

Good Matchups:

Annie: You push too hard and outrange her hard
Sion: great match, you can pop shield easy with E/Q, harass from far when shield is down with E, and push just as hard as he can. W prevents him from gettin up in yo grill.
Malz: pay attention to his cooldowns and you get a lot of free harass, you can Q creeps to shield part of his Malefic visions if he uses it on you, and if you use ult early he sits under the whole thing if he ults you, you can push as hard as him.
Karthus: Outrange, silence his ult, fat and easy to hit, shield his ult with Q a bit too.

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On January 20 2012 11:25 jcarlsoniv wrote:


I 100% disagree. Why would you be going for mid-late game? Viktor's augment makes his early-mid game INSANELY powerful. Why would I delay even more power by going catalyst? It is way more logical to get the early advantage of the 2 DRings which then ramps into augment power, and hextech strength.

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On January 20 2012 12:05 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


The augment sucks for early game his numbers aren't that good compared to other burst casters and his cooldowns are too high to compare to Vlad/Ryze sustain casters. It costs 1000 for 30% more damage on E which you'll only have maxed by level 13, at which point you should have farmed enough to have roa and augment anyways. rings suck.

Maxing E in lane is terrible since your mana costs/cooldowns arent good enough to outpush any of the common mids...

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On January 20 2012 11:41 Alaric wrote:
Also fast AP allows you to instaclear waves earlier — and since it's a line AoE, it's even better. Morgana, Gragas, etc. have nothing on you when it comes to instaclearing.

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On January 20 2012 12:18 Alaric wrote:
For aggressiveness? Q generally means you'll hit retaliation, which will hit you before you're shielded. Also, against a pusher you'll have trouble fighting him back, while E also has the advantage of being an excellent AoE spell for farming. I'd rather get E and poke them to death (but I don't generally play aggressive enough to get kills pre-6 with APs, except perhaps Ryze or Galio).

E.: yes, you'd have trouble farming+harassing with E, never denied that.
But running scaling ap blues, flat ap quints, and doing boots+3->2dr allows me to almost instaclear already (I'd have to play him some again to make sure when I instaclear, and when I just need to finish off the minions). The double DR+augment is only ~500 more than catalyst anyway.

As for the AoE, I've found that I can line all 6 minions w/o any difficulty, perhaps just a little timing. Using the fact that the laser travels slowly and the minions are running toward you makes it easy, in my experience at least. :/

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On January 20 2012 12:16 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


What lol? your line AoE doesn't do enough damage to instaclear and you're not gonna have your augment in lane. Gragas and Morgana actually can instaclear with AoE since your line is not gonna hit all 6 enemy creeps except in very rare waves where pathing/aggro lines them up.

Its cooldown is also high enough that you can't both clear and harass with it so you're forced to choose ;d Unless your enemy is terrible at positioning and stands in the same line as his minions zz, even then the line is pretty narrow and any competent mid should be getting hit by too many Es...

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On January 20 2012 12:36 sob3k wrote:


E should easily instaclear entire waves late, and by the time you get your augment it should clear melees with an AA or creep damage. I get all the ranged creeps and at least two of the melees with a diagonal shot every time I use it post aug, as one of the melee usually peels off. You can also instaclear the incoming wave while they are lined up in the exact same way sivir does. Have you played Viktor? E is probably the best minion clearing spell in the game.

If you dont use it from absolute max range its also one of the hardest skillshots to dodge in the game, as you cant tell what direction its going to go when cast. You can also almost always hit at least some creeps with every hit even if harassing, as you get to choose the vector, no matter where they stand you can put a line through two points.

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On January 20 2012 12:42 Carnivorous Sheep wrote:


Then they walk cause they're paying a modicum of attention and your E misses. It's a skillshot, and every single skillshot boils down to both your skill and the opponent's skill in approximate equal parts. Skillshots are inherently harder and less reliable than a point and click, and a point and click will hit EVERY SINGLE TIME, and Q's uptime is so much higher than E with a 5 vs. 9 second cooldown, with only slightly less damage, that you need to hit like 80-90% of your Es to do equal damage as Q, and that's just unrealistic for a skillshot in lane against a not totally braindead opponent. If your opponent is so much worse than you that every skillshot hits, well, it really doesn't matter what you max or what you build.

And no I haven't played Viktor I just feel like theorycrafting and pulling shit out of my ass cause I'm bored WTF kind of stupid question is that why would you comment in a champion thread if you haven't played him?

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