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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 20:38. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
On February 17 2012 20:21 Palmar wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 17 2012 11:19 VisceraEyes wrote:
Right now I'm looking hard at people who have jumped on the VEwagon with ZERO reasoning, while simultaneously refusing to accept a Kurumi lynch. My list looks something like
hiro protagonist
Tyrann
JayBrundage
Evantrees
...in that order. JayBrundage only started really looking scummy to me when he pointed out his laughable case as evidence against me, while simultaneously trying to illicit emotional responses out of me...but it's enough for him to look scummier than Evantrees who has given us fuck-all all game long. hiro's return to the thread trying to limit the lynch to he and I when he had like 1 vote also looks really really bad, considering the vast amounts of dick he's produced in the way of content.
That's bad enough to make you autoscum.
If you say so. I hope you have a backup plan. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 20:47. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # | |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 20:56. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Define effort. I've been open with my reads and reasons. If you disliked them or disagreed with them, you could have discussed it with me rather than just calling me auto-scum or good vig target. And I'm here now - you've made it pretty clear that I'm one of your high-priority targets and I'd prefer if you'd hit scum, so I'm making an effort to change your mind. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 21:04. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
ico's posts read suspicous of everyone - he didn't look like he was trying to contribute hollowly unless you count his bitching about the spam - I didn't because there's been a lot of fucking spam this game. I mean, right?
Rayzor replaced ico. *shrug* |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 21:20. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm actually looking through filters now Forumite. What are your thoughts on the scumlist I provided earlier? |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 21:59. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
On February 17 2012 21:37 Palmar wrote:
I don't think you can go wrong with shooting tyrran/rayzor.
Rayzor also was unafraid to die to enable 3 town KP. I mean, there's requesting people kill you ad nauseum (hiro protagonist) until the phrase holds no meaning, and there's almost chipper realization that "Oh shucks, guess you guys have to lynch me!"
@Forumite
That wouldn't make sense - unless there's a pretty clear and popular other lynch candidate lined up for tomorrow. That would afford them the freedom to stick their necks out. Especially with players like Palmar calling others scum just for suspecting them :S |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 17 2012 22:23. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| ...you realize tyran is on the list that he's scum for shooting into? Just sayin. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 05:31. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
JayJay I'd like you to make a case on me. Please don't refer to posts you've already made, I want you to tell me in your own words right now what you find suspicious about my behavior. If I die tonight, town is going to be looking at YOU when I flip, keep this in mind while responding to me.
Also, we're not killing VE for giggles. We're well beyond killing people for giggles. Scum aren't going to touch me because I'm obviously lynchbait, but if vigs kill me it had better fucking be because they think I'm scum and not for giggles. -.- |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 08:33. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
An Introspective Journey into the Varied Town-Favoring Decisions Made By VisceraEyes
By: VisceraEyes
First I'm going to explore several of the reasons I'm being accused in detail.
- Lack of Meaningful Contribution
- Intentional Overlooking of Suspicious Behavior
- Manipulative Argumentation Strategies
- Inactivity
- Pushing of Scum Agenda
Lack of Meaningful Contribution/Inactivity
I’ve got something of a reputation here in Team Liquid that I’m trying to dispel. I’m known as that guy who types a lot of crazy shit that doesn’t make much sense to anyone. I chose this game to attempt a different tactic. Instead of typing every little thing that pops into my head at any given time, leading to a spammy cluttered thread, I decided to instead just observe the thread, comment only where I felt necessary and post my reads every day, with an emphasis on relevance and succinctness. My voting pattern hasn’t changed - I still vote for whomever I feel is the most scummy (or in the case of this game, who is the largest threat to town as a whole), but the way I’ve approached actually playing the game has changed dramatically. It is for this reason that I believe players who have played with me and feel they know my ‘meta’ have been thrown off by my play...because I actually AM playing differently than I’d normally play as town.
Intentional Overlooking of Suspicious Behavior
This is another of Palmar’s gripes. I have a feeling he and several others of you feel like I’ve been overlooking blatantly suspicious behavior for one reason or another. All I can say in my defense of this is that if I haven’t called someone scum, it’s either because I have a town read on them for different reasons, or because I haven’t looked into them at all (inactivity, spammy nature, etc.) Due to the nature of this game, I’m not really inclined to doll out my town reads for obvious reasons. I’m very willing to discuss reads with anyone however, and if anyone would actually LIKE my opinion on something, I’m always willing to look into people on request. However, due to my reputation, I come into games assuming no one wants my opinions until I’ve established that I’m coherent in-game. Somewhere along the way I’ve failed this game, but I feel it has a lot to do with the way I’ve approached this game.
Manipulative Argumentation Strategies
This was one of hiro protagonist’s reasons for “knowing” I’m scum. While I won’t admit to being ‘manipulative’, I will say that this is a game of persuasion and I’m trying to achieve goals just like everyone else. Incidentally, he’s accusing me of “playing mafia” because town try and persuasively argue with other town to try and get their lynch target lynched just as often as scum. And because he provided no context with his accusation, I can’t refute the specific instances, only broadly address his complaint.
Pushing of Scum Agenda
This one is pretty vague, because by definition only scum know their agenda and they’re not sharing it with town. I know that the only thing I can think of that can even be construed as me furthering a scum agenda was my staunch opposition to the Radfield lynch. And I’ve given my reasoning for this several times because by my estimation it’s the most incriminating thing I’ve done this game. However, given my belief in the Sheth lynch that Radfield’s claim assured, in my opinion the fact that Radfield actually flipped scum is NOT indicative of scum alignment where I’m concerned. In fact, Radfield actually called me a good vig target alongside Palmar early on in the game, so I’d actually say it’s indicative of my TOWN alignment if anything. WBG was also harshly critical of me and called me scum several times. The point is that I’ve been accused of pushing a scum agenda (most hilariously by layabout) and I’d like everyone to take a look at my involvement in the game as a whole before just accepting this as fact and killing me with a bullet tonight.
Now, I’ve left off a couple of entire cases, for this reason: I’ve addressed the points that are actually indicative of my alignment above. Cases such as those of RazorFlash and JayBrundage can be ignored. JayBrundage is basing one of his major points on the fact that I was on a SCUM lynch by Hood’s Breath. It’s held up by the fact that I was against a Radfield lynch, which is accurate, but the premises are conflicting.
Radfield was scum
Radfield was on the Sheth lynch
Sheth was scum
Scum are bussing
VS
Radfield was scum
VE was not on the Radfield lynch
Radfield was scum
Scum are not bussing
See where I’m going with this? It’s not a logical argument, it’s putting a bunch of facts together in a way that makes me seem scummy, when all I really did was vocally stick to my guns about my beliefs.
And RazorFlash’s case, upon rereading it, actually IS scummy as fuck. He uses some kind of percentage-based “scummeter” to determine an overall picture of my scumminess. Great. But here’s the problem: the numbers are completely arbitrary in regard to the content he provides supporting them. For example,
Day 3 - 60% scum - The Day of Reckoning
- VEHEMENTLY defends Radfield and goes after Palmar, the WORST case of this amongst everyone out there - 80% scum
- Is willing to get hiro lynched instead of Radfield - 75%
- VERY quickly changes votes from Palmar who he's been super pushing for a full day to me and then Chaoser based on Kita's claim - 90$ scum
First of all, his total for day 3, which he’s taken special note of how scummy it was, was 60% scum. But if you look at the content, he picks out three actions I took that day (which I’ll agree were probably the keystone decisions I made that day) and assigns values to each of them, which are all WELL above 60%. They’re not averaged - the average of the 3 values is something like 81.66666%....it’s just a random 60%. Here’s something to think about though -
Day 2 - 60% scum
- Very very excited about the prospect of a Sheth lynch finally happening
- Gets defensive very easily again... passive aggression is annoying
- Wants to see Sheth dead, and is decently considering a Hiro lynch still...
- Gets into a small bicker with Bugs and considers going after him... 55%
Another 60% period on the scumometer, but look at the actions he notes:
Excited about his (ultimately scum) lynch taking off;
considering hiro (a person he agrees with to a degree);
considers going after someone else who ultimately flips scum
This is the part that really astounds me - my super-scummy day and my most pro-town day (according to the facts) afford me the exact same scum-o-meter reading? Really? These numbers are COMPLETELY meaningless.
Night 3 - 90% scum
- Still pushing for a Palmar lynch even though he's confirmed Batman and Joker is more or less dead
- killing a pro-town power role for no real reason??
- Gets super emotional again... ia annoying, but not necessarily scummy
- Wants people to kill JayBrundage randomly, just because his vote didnt actually switch? wtf?
First of all, I was pushing a Palmar lynch for the sole purpose of saving Joker because it had become obvious in-thread that Toad was Joker and Clayface had just eaten it. Toad’s bad aim aside, town KP is going to be very powerful (one way or the other) and because I suspect Palmar of being Batman, I wanted him lynched before he could kill Joker. However, none of this matters ultimately according to RazorFlash - because by his estimation Palmar has a “pro-town power role”, in spite of being third-party and by definition does not have town’s best interest in mind.
And this scored me 90% on the HerpDerp’O’Meter, 30% higher than the day he noted as being particularly bad for me.
The whole thing is just a mess of him stringing together events that, while they involve me, are not indicative of my alignment in the way he says. Not at all.
Where do we go from here?
We stop entertaining the ridiculous notion that VE is scum, for a start, and we start killing scum. I actually prefer a bullet for JayBrundage or RayzorFlash at this point - call it OMGUS if you want, but JayBrundage, in addition to building a farcical case against me has also been taunting me to try and make me scummily freak out as I’m known to do. He’s definately scum. RayzorFlash I’m less sold on, but after dissecting his case and hearing Palmar’s thoughts on him, I’d say he needs a bullet just as much if not more than JB at this point. The riddle-bombs are likely to go off tonight, and JB has one of those attached to him according to Kita (correct me if I’m wrong) so he might be taken care of anyway. Tomorrow, if Palmar is still around, force him to give you the whole scum-team because once he hits his mark, he’ll be gone.
In closing, regardless of what you think my motivations are, these are the facts:
- I made a correct meta-call on Sheth and pushed for his lynch until he died and flipped scum
- I correctly called out WBG as scum
- I’ve provided my reads and reasoning every day, and made myself available for discussion all game long.
- I along with several others was able to convince town to do the pro-town thing in getting rid of Catwoman during this day phase
I’m trying to win with town. These facts don’t prove it, but they certainly support my claim. Please take the time to read over my posts if you’re thinking about gifting me a hot slug. I honestly don’t deserve it. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 08:39. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET**** |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 11:07. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah, your arbitrary percentage points mean nothing to me Rayzor. Pull the other one sir. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 11:55. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| I'm frustrating - I'm probably gonna die from it. *shrug* |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 12:51. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
Yes, because I've been so confusing and disruptive to town. -.-
Honestly, if anyone is fooled by this idiocy, I don't even know what to say. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 12:59. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Feel free to not even read my defense risk. Really, it's all the rage - you should try it. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 18 2012 13:16. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET**** |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 23 2012 14:09. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Come on and give it to me. Come on and die. ****TL MAFIA LI - NEVER FORGET**** |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 23 2012 18:56. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
I'm writing up my thoughts of this game, but I want to say for the record that unlike WBG, I thought scum did a fine job this game. I slipped up with a couple of decisions (defending Rad so hard, pushing Palmar when town had clearly marked him as 3rd) and I felt like Rad's second check could have been more thought-out...but on the whole I feel like town was genuinely trying to put things together and we made it impossible. And as Mafia, that's pretty much all you can hope for.
Thanks BC and Curu, this was a fun game. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 23 2012 19:01. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Palmar, once you were confirmed as Batman we had to roleblock you every night. You're too dangerous to scum teams. And while it was in your best interest to hit Joker first, I felt like the longer that took, the better the chances of town paranoia setting in. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 23 2012 19:06. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah being able to discuss the Riddle was OP. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. February 23 2012 19:08. Posts 9680 | Profile Blog # |
On February 23 2012 19:06 Palmar wrote:about the riddler game. The first question was something like:
Show nested quote +Riddle Me This:
1 cup sugar
1/4 cup milk
1 teaspoon baking powder
1 cup flour
1 tablespoons butter (A full stick for my good friend Oswald)
3 severed corpses
Bake at 400 degrees for 30 minutes.
What am I?
So I just thought "well who gives a fuck" and swapped out the severed corpses for eggs, cause that kinda made sense. And I just decided to bake the fucking thing, this is the end result: ![[image loading]](http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23162170/IMAG0040.jpg) It was okay, but a bit too sweet and sponge-like for my taste.
I literally love you for actually baking that. I read that and said 'this doesn't bake anything without eggs.'
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