Player List for MLG Winter Online Qualifiers Released - Pa…

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On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote:
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:

Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs
Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well.
Rain- Obviously fine.
Sheth- Fine. Solid player with consistent results.
Incontrol- No. This guy does not deserve to be invited. I love Incontrol on SotG, but he only did well in like 1 MLG and it was the one at which the level of competition was very low. I know well over 15 unknown players that are 3-0+ against Incontrol on ladder. I don't know why MLG keeps riding on his results from a year ago. Again, no personal hatred against him; he's great for the community but doesn't deserve this invite.
Machine- Maybe. Hasn't won anything against anyone notable in a long time, but did manage to get a win or two at recent MLGs. On the edge of qualification.
Drewbie- Fine. He won an open bracket fairly recently.
Tyler- I'm probably going to take a lot of flak for saying that if Tyler wasn't "known" there's absolutely no way he'd get this spot. He got eliminated from the open bracket at the last MLG after a string of bottom finishes in his group. Again, Sc2 icon and a cool guy, but I don't think he's competitive right now.
KR- Fine.
Vibe- Meh.
Demuslim- Fine.
Sase- Fine.
Trimaster- Fine; beat Idra at MLG awhile ago.
QXC- Fine.
Artist- Fine.
Mihai- No. Essentially no accomplishments since MLG Dallas.
DDoro- Fine.
Illusion- Fine.
Agh- No idea why he's being invited.
ThisisJimmy- No. Again, making it to the third round in the open bracket and being somewhat popular on youtube does not a top-tier player make.
WBC- Fine.
DDE- Yeah, okay.
OptikZero- Dunno; basically know nothing about him.
State- Probably on the edge.
Inori- Fine.
LzGamer- No. Guy hasn't done anything recently and got knocked out of the open bracket. Has literally not won anything in the longest time.
KingSpades- Rofl,I think this guy is overrated but I guess inviting underdogs is okay.
Hawk- Lol, no.
Gowswer- Yeah.
Axslav- Meh. No results.
Ostojiy- Okay.
Attero- Don't get this one. I guess he's a popular streamer?
Morrow- Okay.
Naama- Fine.
Stalife- God no.
Catz- Fine.
TT1- Fine.
Killer- Fine.
Minigun- I guess?

I hope I've managed to hit most of the players that people have trouble seeing as having anything but a massive longshot at even getting top 10 in this tournament.

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On January 29 2012 01:53 Torte de Lini wrote:


In some areas you're right, but it doesn't compensate how wrong you are in so many. Attero is not just a popular streamer, do your homework.

WBC as well, a bit more than just "fine"
thisisjimmy got to championship bracket and defeated major opponents at Anaheim. Again, you look silly now.

Seriously, quit while you're ahead.

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On January 29 2012 02:09 BoB_KiLLeR wrote:
Does that mean WhiteRa goes to Korea? :o

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On January 29 2012 02:18 Valashu wrote:
Missing Stephano.

Also, some of these players are from other continents (Demuslim being from the UK for example) and does the team decide what who they play for?

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On January 29 2012 01:37 Shiori wrote:
I'm going to do everyone a favour and go through the entire NA list and explain where people are having issues:

Slush- Fine. He's managed to take at least a few wins in recent MLGs
Kiwikai- Fine. He beat Stephano and performed well at the beginning of last year as well.
Rain- Obviously fine.

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On January 29 2012 02:29 hrvoje07 wrote:


Kiwikaki didn't beat stephano, he lost 2-1

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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote:
I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.

TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.

I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.

But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?

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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote:
I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.

TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.

I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.

But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?

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On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote:
One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.

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On January 29 2012 02:35 QNdie wrote:
One thing I hate about MLG is that its really a GSL with a somewhat different format when it comes down to it. Only top koreans and foreigners will perform well and there is a shitton of people which could be replaced by other people. Also sucks that its same time as ASUS ROG. Not too hyped, if anything its another opportunity to see some koreans but really MLG stopped being something special for me. Not trying to flame; trying to be constructive. Generally there are some things which are nigh impossible to solve, like, for example that EU players will not go because flight cost/time is super high. If MLG did HSC qualifier format it would have players such as Stephano, MaNa or Nerchio.

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On January 29 2012 01:49 ThatGuy89 wrote:


just out of curiosity, when you keep saying 'dunno why _____ is getting invited' who would you invite instead?
Ok not all of them are amazing players, but there arent enough players to have a tournament of only amazing players - unless its like a 10 man tournament or something

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On January 29 2012 02:06 Shiori wrote:
I used "fine" in the literal sense of the word, as in, I have no problem with that player being there. Again, I'm not insulting players by saying that I don't think they're competitive enough to be there.

TIJ got to the championship bracket where he proceeded to beat Attero 2-1 and then get 2-0'd by Tyler. The only notable player he beat along the way was WBC, as far as I can tell.

I'm trying to point out the grievous problems with forgoing an open qualifier: namely that you're inviting people whose only MLG results have ranged from winning the loser's bracket to getting mildly deep.

But I mean, I'd actually prefer to invite players like TIJ, Attero, and underdogs who have actually had to fight through the open bracket instead of people like LZ/Inc/Tyler who just seem to keep getting seeded. I want MLG to invite players who are in their prime NOW or RECENTLY, not players who did okay a year ago. See the problem?

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