UI still sub-par 2 years later. Why don't we care?

I personally quit playing precisely because it's so hard to see where my weaknesses are. All I have is this stupid notion that "I'm not getting promoted." That's it. When it comes time to say "how do I get better?" I have NO INFORMATION! What matchup is my weakest? Are there maps that cause me to struggle? (The maps question is important because if they have similar elements (lots of chokes) that would indicate to me that I engage in chokes too often.) Am I improving or getting worse? Even just a simple moving average APM tracker would be awesome to see if I'm at least getting faster.

Yes I could pay for coaching or painstakingly analyze my replays but that's such an inordinate amount of work when completely feasible technology exists to give me that information so much faster. It's like looking something up in the encyclopedia instead of just using google.

Also the UI is definitely bad. I'm sure it's great with a gamepad...but I don't play starcraft with my 360 controller.

Not to be completely off topic because i agree with the OP and i miss Starcraft GBR-1 massively

Have you not heard of Sc2 Gears? There are plenty of people in the community making tools to help you improve as a player and that has nothing to do with the UI...

bluQ Germany. February 04 2012 00:23. Posts 1053

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On February 03 2012 19:01 Highways wrote:
I have said this 100 times but I'll say it again. Battle.net 0.2 is a massive reason why the SC2 population has died, and there is hardly any body playing anymore.

- There is no social aspect on bnet at all, everything feels dark and lonely. It needs to feel vibrant, like when you logon it feels like a massive community is active.
- It needs to be a place where you can hang and have fun, even if you have no friends online.
- Some suggestions to make it more social are: make chat channels a main part of the UI, clan support, online replays with friends, embeded tournament stream with chat, automated tournaments, join and view live games, unranked automatchmaking, upload replays to your profile and allow people to comment on them etc...

- Arguably the biggest fail is the custom game interface. Huge expectations that the editor will take the scene to the next level but it has taken 10 steps back. Two years in and its still the same games on the top 2 pages says it all.....

At the end of the day, why the fuck did a console guy develop the interface for a high profile PC game.

Didn't read your post but the highlighted line catched my eyes.
Do you guys REALLY think that there is some "UI Designer PC" and "UI Designer Console"? There is no such job.
You are a Designer or aren't that has nothing to do with the plattform.
That he worked for Xbox or whatever is just a REFERENCE.
You guys are like saying:"He is a doctor for horses! WHY HE IS EXAMINING THIS COW?????????" or maybe u like the "He is only a Java Coder ... WHY IS HE LOOKING AT C CODE??? DERPDERP".
Jeez, those people work with the same principles and assumably have the same education(PC<->Console,Java<->C,Horse<->Cow) and just that u did something slightly different doesn't make you worse.
I really can't bitch about the visual design of the UI, imo its not that bad at all. Quite nice and tidy, only thing I'm misking a "List" of all opened chats when the bottom bar is spammed.
Tho they could work on the performance but then again, that has nothing to do with the UI Design, thats the implementation part. So blame their Architects or Engineers but not the designer <.<

@the rest of topic, I liked my bnet1.0 - spent hours and hours in D2 just chatting :D (but I remember we also used some 3rd party tool to chat w/o being in the game, so even then ppl complained and the community reacted :D)

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Mazaire Australia. February 04 2012 00:24. Posts 217

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I agree with the sentiment of this thread, although i don't see it coming too in WOL, fingers crossed for HOTS.

edit: ballsed up and posted it in blizz forums. Lets see how that goes >.>

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Klondikebar United States. February 04 2012 00:26. Posts 1523

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On February 04 2012 00:23 ShadyKat wrote:

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Not to be completely off topic because i agree with the OP and i miss Starcraft GBR-1 massively

Have you not heard of Sc2 Gears? There are plenty of people in the community making tools to help you improve as a player and that has nothing to do with the UI...

Good call. I should check that out. Now I just need to conquer my addiction to player streams and actually get back into playing myself.

Although I will maintain that the lack of information is a UI issue. There's so much wasted space and wasted potential on every screen. We don't need massive buttons and huge pictures.

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I think you need another drink.

-stOpSKY- Canada. February 04 2012 00:27. Posts 481

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I would like to see clan support, better chat interface and MMR being shown but aside from that it doesnt bother me much. I dont really care about % statistics are maps and so on, all meaningless.

zuperketla Norway. February 04 2012 00:30. Posts 197

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Everyone with an EU account go to this link on the bnet forums: (this same post)

http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/forum/topic/3313032837

Log in and "REQUEST STICKY" top right corner green button! Also post in the thread to make it bigger =)

Maybe we can raise some attention! Its worth the 60 seconds it takes to do it

edit: someone make a similar thread on the US bnet forums!

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heyho

Aeceus United Kingdom. February 04 2012 00:32. Posts 853

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I think that SC2 could benefit socially from a global chat lobby while looking for games, instead of channels. Kind of like what MSN zone had all those years ago when playing AoE2.

cgerrr Ukraine. February 04 2012 00:38. Posts 47

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The concerns died out simply because there aren't (relatively) much people actually care/playing this game anymore. As simple as that.

Saiton Sweden. February 04 2012 00:40. Posts 455

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On February 04 2012 00:38 cgerrr wrote:
The concerns died out simply because there aren't (relatively) much people actually care/playing this game anymore. As simple as that.

I asked once in this thread and i ask it again, where are you getting this ridiculous information that nobody is playing the game?!

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TigerKarl February 04 2012 00:46. Posts 1482

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I agree with everything you say.
Blizzard has to bring improvements with the first addon, otherwise there's gonna be a huge shitstorm.

Shockk Germany. February 04 2012 00:48. Posts 2267

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I posted the thread to Reddit as well. Feel free to upvote (selfpost, no karma gained).

esotericc February 04 2012 01:27. Posts 308

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This is the exact reason I quit SC2 and started playing DotA 2, bnet just felt to lonely for me. Might as well have been a single player game.

ColterTV Argentina. February 04 2012 01:42. Posts 117

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StaN.de Germany. February 04 2012 01:48. Posts 11

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I 100% agree!

Clansupport and a tournament system would be so nice. They should also think about a clanwarladder including a auto-matchmaking system

CallousCarter United Kingdom. February 04 2012 01:50. Posts 81

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How exactly did SC2 improve over SC1? The story and singlerplayer was mediocre at best, the gameplay is slightly easier but still rock hard, the only difference is there's not as many factors to distinguish players at the very top level, Bnet 2.0 is shit, we don't have lan mode the only thing that really springs to mind as an improvement is the graphics from a pure technical, polygon counting perspective, but even then BW has charm style and nostalgic value whereas sc2 just looks like an average rts at the moment. I'm not saying SC2 is a bad game, but i don't think it is a great game and I don't think they made enough significant improvements over BW to make the squeal worth while from a pure game design perspective. I worry for the esports scene that has been built around sc2, the game is in decline, maybe HotS will change that but if it doesn't I can see things going south very quickly.

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GLLuvz Norway. February 04 2012 01:56. Posts 25

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The chat system is way to bad imo, bring back the one they had in WC3/BW. its just sad that we have to use IIRC to communicate with people properly.

Gamersleague FTW

SeZomg United States. February 04 2012 01:59. Posts 1

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I agree with all your points, we have such amazing potential for an even better community but lack the infrastructure needed to see it grow. We need to make it heard that we demand these features.

equalheights Australia. February 04 2012 01:59. Posts 25

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I absolutely agree with the opening post. I like the ladder matchmaking system sc2 has, but it lacks anything else... at all.