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| Rkynick March 07 2012 08:38. Posts 75 | Profile # |
A perspective: A while back, I made a custom SC2 map. Trying to get it filled was torture, I had no other option than to try to pick up players out of the custom games chat.
I managed to get the map played (non-full) a handful of times over the course of a month.
To contrast: a few weeks ago, I made a BW UMS map. No trouble getting it played at all.
Why is SC2 still so much worse for map development?
We need a custom lobby system.Last edit: 2012-03-07 08:39:03 |
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| tomwizz March 07 2012 08:53. Posts 490 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 08:21 zachMEISTER wrote:Is that because the D3 BNet looks horrible as well?
yeah, they use same system(2.0) and everything same as sc2 i think.
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| EienShinwa United States. March 07 2012 08:55. Posts 651 | Profile # |
| I don't understand why there is no Custom Game Lobby. For what stupid reason would Blizzard believe a Popularity ranking system would work, and to add onto that, make us unable to see which games are made and which aren't. And WHY won't Blizzard respond to all these forums. All I can come up with is that Blizzard doesn't give two damns anymore. |
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| Art_of_Kill Zaire. March 07 2012 09:57. Posts 1227 | Profile # |
looks so much better then the original |
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| ilikeredheads Canada. March 07 2012 11:14. Posts 527 | Profile # |
| I think the lack of improvements or announcement of any new changes is a clear sign that Bnet2.0 sits pretty damn low on Blizzard's priorities. The fact they've failed to implement simple features like chat channels or the ability to watch replays together is a good sign that they just odn't care. The whole purpose of bnet2.0 is to allow them to control everything. Their main concern is to spam expansions.and milk $$$. |
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| JackDT March 07 2012 11:26. Posts 705 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 08:38 Rkynick wrote:
A perspective: A while back, I made a custom SC2 map. Trying to get it filled was torture, I had no other option than to try to pick up players out of the custom games chat.
I managed to get the map played (non-full) a handful of times over the course of a month.
To contrast: a few weeks ago, I made a BW UMS map. No trouble getting it played at all.
Why is SC2 still so much worse for map development?
We need a custom lobby system.
I keep trying to get inside their heads and wonder what they are thinking when they designed it like this. It's no fun from the player side either. There are tons and tons of cool looking maps in the list but you can only find players for the 2% of them that are popular, so those are the only ones you pick. Awesome interface design guys.
And Blizzard seems to think the problem is the popularity system, and that adding 'up and comers' or whatever will fix it. That's not the problem! I should be able to pick the least popular map in the system and there should be some screen that someone else can see that I'm waiting to play this. I still might not find any but I'd have a chance. I'm so sick of not being able to try out fun looking maps.
The only explanation I can think of is that the developers at Blizzard just don't play many custom games, and any official map is automatically popular so they don't run into issues there. So they just don't understand the problem at all. It's so weird because it's not like their interface decisions are making them more money here -- they are just discouraging map makers and players.
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 IronMan3 March 07 2012 18:10. Posts 31 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 11:14 ilikeredheads wrote:
I think the lack of improvements or announcement of any new changes is a clear sign that Bnet2.0 sits pretty damn low on Blizzard's priorities. The fact they've failed to implement simple features like chat channels or the ability to watch replays together is a good sign that they just odn't care. The whole purpose of bnet2.0 is to allow them to control everything. Their main concern is to spam expansions.and milk $$$.
Yeah as soon as they were taken over by Bobby Kottick they've slapped their customers and stopped building the best games, they've started building money sucking machines. |
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| blackone Spain. March 07 2012 20:17. Posts 1127 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 08:12 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 08:09 blackone wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:27 Shockk wrote:
On March 06 2012 06:26 blackone wrote:
I know the title is more the intro to a whine thread than an actual question, but I personally don't care because all I want from the SC2 UI is to give me an appropriate opponent at the click of a button, and it does that better than any game I ever played.
Thanks for the bump! Try to work on your social skills, though.
How am I supposed to respond to passive-aggressive pseudo-questions?
Well, maybe by reflecting on the quality of your posts, and reconsidering why you thought it appropriate to call a 70+ page discussion filled with concept art, videos, interviews and ongoing support across servers, leagues and continents a "whine thread".
I still think it's appropriate. How is this not a very elaborate whine thread? It's not like anyone of you was discussing anything with people of different opinions, it's just people agreeing with each other on how the don't like something. That's what I call a whine thread. And the reason I posted is when you say "Why don't we care" you don't really mean "we". You obviously do care yourself, so you're saying "why don't you guys care as much as I do" and I tried to give an answer to that. Sorry for interrupting your thread.Last edit: 2012-03-07 20:17:52 |
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| paddyz Ireland. March 07 2012 20:25. Posts 407 | Profile # |
| I never even thought about the UI, I just accepted it fr what it was. Now that i think about it there are so many things that they could improve. I just assumed it was normal to have TL and reddit open in the background while playing SC2 and use them for a sense of community. Whenever I play SC2 and am not in a call in skype the game feels completely different. I dont know how people can play 1v1s (I dont mean vs friends in a call etc, i mean ladder or games vs ppl you dont talk to), must be so lonely and must get boring. |
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| Shockk Germany. March 07 2012 20:39. Posts 2267 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 20:17 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 08:12 Shockk wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:09 blackone wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:27 Shockk wrote:
On March 06 2012 06:26 blackone wrote:
I know the title is more the intro to a whine thread than an actual question, but I personally don't care because all I want from the SC2 UI is to give me an appropriate opponent at the click of a button, and it does that better than any game I ever played.
Thanks for the bump! Try to work on your social skills, though.
How am I supposed to respond to passive-aggressive pseudo-questions?
Well, maybe by reflecting on the quality of your posts, and reconsidering why you thought it appropriate to call a 70+ page discussion filled with concept art, videos, interviews and ongoing support across servers, leagues and continents a "whine thread".
I still think it's appropriate. How is this not a very elaborate whine thread? It's not like anyone of you was discussing anything with people of different opinions, it's just people agreeing with each other on how the don't like something. That's what I call a whine thread. And the reason I posted is when you say "Why don't we care" you don't really mean "we". You obviously do care yourself, so you're saying "why don't you guys care as much as I do" and I tried to give an answer to that. Sorry for interrupting your thread.
Then why did you bother posting here in the first place? Except if you can't help being a jerk, that is. |
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| Not_That March 07 2012 22:30. Posts 286 | Profile # |
| I've stopped playing Starcraft 2 for the reasons which are obvious to everyone. This thread is the first glimmer of hope I have in a while. I thought I'll post my 2 lines which will get lost in the ocean, but it's all I can do. |
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| Belha Italy. March 08 2012 02:12. Posts 2365 | Profile # |
Just check Dota 2 UI.
Is like 10 years ahead from bnet "2.0" : (
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| Treehead March 08 2012 03:10. Posts 998 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 04:40 Piledriver wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 Treehead wrote:
Having written all that, I think I'm starting to see why the chat features are going away.
When I think back on wow's history, I remember we used to have a lot of freedom in how we treated others. You could (and still can, though its harder to do it meaningfully) kill someone very low level and "camp" them. You could be as much of a good guy or a jerk to others in your guild as you wanted (though, for obvious social reasons, these "jerky" types of guilds didn't last). You could kill another player or /wave. But people complained - not that they shouldn't be able to do these things, but that other people shouldn't have been able to alter their game experience. This is the reason these features keep getting cut out - lately whenever Blizzard gives two people a means to interact, they will get complaints if they don't like the way the interactions are headed (with WoW, this should've been expected and ignored, but it wasn't).
So now, when they want to add the potential to chat, to see other players, to meet new people - they have to ask themselves "could something bad happen to the player during these interactions?" and the answer is always "yes". But then, they reason, won't they come back and complain if bad things do happen? This line of reasoning (I'm willing to bet) is why they won't give you the stuff you should be able to have - they're afraid that if they give you a length of rope you'll hang yourself with it, and then cause a customer service issue asking why the rope they gave you was so "hang-able". Of course, this line of reasoning is ridiculous (with no chat, there's no people to do you wrong, but there's also just no people, hence the complaint behind this thread)... but I'm guessing that's the reason.
Griefing low level players is not "interaction". Its just trolling where the low level players have no control over what happens to them. Imagine a scenario where you're on TL.net, and I could just keep deleting your posts over and over again (every time you post), and you have no control because you joined TL 5 months after me and have half my posts. Thats exactly what griefing was. It just wasted new players time. I levelled my first character the hard way on a PvP server towards the end of Vanilla wow, and I would be literally mortified everytime I went to Stranglethorn Vale. Usually after I got killed the first couple of times, I would just log out and come back the next day, hoping that I wouldn't get griefed another day. While the rest of your post makes sense, your first half is totally counterproductive, and IMO reinforces why controls should exist in the first place.
You don't have to tell me that griefing in wow is not the same thing as chat channels in SC2. I know it's a ridiculous stretch of the truth. The reason I write it so sensibly is to illustrate that to someone who doesn't know all that much about video games (insert investors/executives here) it DOES sound sensible. I'm not trying to illustrate why it makes sense, I'm trying to illustrate why it *looks* like it makes sense.
On March 07 2012 04:44 Chessz wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 03:19 Treehead wrote:
Having written all that, I think I'm starting to see why the chat features are going away.
When I think back on wow's history, I remember we used to have a lot of freedom in how we treated others. You could (and still can, though its harder to do it meaningfully) kill someone very low level and "camp" them. You could be as much of a good guy or a jerk to others in your guild as you wanted (though, for obvious social reasons, these "jerky" types of guilds didn't last). You could kill another player or /wave. But people complained - not that they shouldn't be able to do these things, but that other people shouldn't have been able to alter their game experience. This is the reason these features keep getting cut out - lately whenever Blizzard gives two people a means to interact, they will get complaints if they don't like the way the interactions are headed (with WoW, this should've been expected and ignored, but it wasn't).
So now, when they want to add the potential to chat, to see other players, to meet new people - they have to ask themselves "could something bad happen to the player during these interactions?" and the answer is always "yes". But then, they reason, won't they come back and complain if bad things do happen? This line of reasoning (I'm willing to bet) is why they won't give you the stuff you should be able to have - they're afraid that if they give you a length of rope you'll hang yourself with it, and then cause a customer service issue asking why the rope they gave you was so "hang-able". Of course, this line of reasoning is ridiculous (with no chat, there's no people to do you wrong, but there's also just no people, hence the complaint behind this thread)... but I'm guessing that's the reason.
I understand this logic but it's still completely idiotic. Did people really complain about that stuff in WoW? (I played several years starting with vanilla). I know that world PVP could cause problems in some starting areas, but thats much less common cause of battlegrounds, and I miss it a lot even if sometimes it was borderline griefing, for my faction/guild it was some of the funnest times ever as a social gaming experience. With any kind of online experience (games or otherwise), you risk "anonymous" interactions that could be good or bad. The good ones usually outweigh the bad though, and in 1.0 you could just /squelch trolls or BM and that was the end of it. Funny thing is, I've actually ignored/blocked WAY more people in Sc2 than I ever did in War3 because the current setup actually *encourages* in-game and post-game BM, because everything seems autonomous and disconnected from eachother that theres no reason not to BM someone (In fact, you can still send messages to a person you're ignoring. Everyone has experienced the ignore/unignore trash talk BM and it's retarded). It's not like the two players exit their game to a chatroom, where one could brag or talk about their results to an audience, etc. (And, with hundreds of meaningless divisions, there's no way you were better than another person, and with no bo3 option there's no way to control or encourage any kind of manner through all these one-time interactions.) I'm trying to come up with a good analogy but it's difficult because the premise is so stupid..
Yes, it is idiotic. And yes, people did complain - lots of people, and about everything. The phrase "let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll" comes to mind.  |
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| blackone Spain. March 08 2012 19:36. Posts 1127 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 20:39 Shockk wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:17 blackone wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:12 Shockk wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:09 blackone wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:27 Shockk wrote:
On March 06 2012 06:26 blackone wrote:
I know the title is more the intro to a whine thread than an actual question, but I personally don't care because all I want from the SC2 UI is to give me an appropriate opponent at the click of a button, and it does that better than any game I ever played.
Thanks for the bump! Try to work on your social skills, though.
How am I supposed to respond to passive-aggressive pseudo-questions?
Well, maybe by reflecting on the quality of your posts, and reconsidering why you thought it appropriate to call a 70+ page discussion filled with concept art, videos, interviews and ongoing support across servers, leagues and continents a "whine thread".
I still think it's appropriate. How is this not a very elaborate whine thread? It's not like anyone of you was discussing anything with people of different opinions, it's just people agreeing with each other on how the don't like something. That's what I call a whine thread. And the reason I posted is when you say "Why don't we care" you don't really mean "we". You obviously do care yourself, so you're saying "why don't you guys care as much as I do" and I tried to give an answer to that. Sorry for interrupting your thread.
Then why did you bother posting here in the first place? Except if you can't help being a jerk, that is.
Because there is a question in the title that I could answer. I thought that there was maybe an off chance that somebody was in fact interested and wanted to know why people don't care, so I posted why I don't. I didn't mean to insult anyone with that. |
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| Shockk Germany. March 08 2012 19:50. Posts 2267 | Profile Blog # |
On March 08 2012 19:36 blackone wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 20:39 Shockk wrote:
On March 07 2012 20:17 blackone wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:12 Shockk wrote:
On March 07 2012 08:09 blackone wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:27 Shockk wrote:
On March 06 2012 06:26 blackone wrote:
I know the title is more the intro to a whine thread than an actual question, but I personally don't care because all I want from the SC2 UI is to give me an appropriate opponent at the click of a button, and it does that better than any game I ever played.
Thanks for the bump! Try to work on your social skills, though.
How am I supposed to respond to passive-aggressive pseudo-questions?
Well, maybe by reflecting on the quality of your posts, and reconsidering why you thought it appropriate to call a 70+ page discussion filled with concept art, videos, interviews and ongoing support across servers, leagues and continents a "whine thread".
I still think it's appropriate. How is this not a very elaborate whine thread? It's not like anyone of you was discussing anything with people of different opinions, it's just people agreeing with each other on how the don't like something. That's what I call a whine thread. And the reason I posted is when you say "Why don't we care" you don't really mean "we". You obviously do care yourself, so you're saying "why don't you guys care as much as I do" and I tried to give an answer to that. Sorry for interrupting your thread.
Then why did you bother posting here in the first place? Except if you can't help being a jerk, that is.
Because there is a question in the title that I could answer. I thought that there was maybe an off chance that somebody was in fact interested and wanted to know why people don't care, so I posted why I don't. I didn't mean to insult anyone with that.
Reread my posts. It's not your opinion I'm having an issue with, but your language. It boggles my mind that you still haven't realized this. Your input is a welcome contribution regardless of whether or not you accept my / our stance or not. Your condescending remarks are not.Last edit: 2012-03-08 19:54:56 |
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| dragonsuper Liechtenstein. March 08 2012 20:03. Posts 222 | Profile # |
Blizzard has obviusly failed, but many people have pointed this out from beta DAY 1.
The obviously don't care , so i don't care to play their games anymore too
Blizzard isn't Blizzard Anymore, after WOW success and Activision merger, their vision was destroyed.
Now they only want customers to squeeze not to entertain.Last edit: 2012-03-08 20:05:54 |
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| trips United Kingdom. March 08 2012 20:14. Posts 95 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 08:55 EienShinwa wrote:
I don't understand why there is no Custom Game Lobby. For what stupid reason would Blizzard believe a Popularity ranking system would work, and to add onto that, make us unable to see which games are made and which aren't. And WHY won't Blizzard respond to all these forums. All I can come up with is that Blizzard doesn't give two damns anymore.
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| Khad Venezuela. March 08 2012 23:55. Posts 27 | Profile Blog # |
We need some love blizz, plz
Want to make buddies
Where to find me Khad 772
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| Bodzilla Australia. March 09 2012 00:12. Posts 306 | Profile # |
I'm honestly considering dropping this game and going for LoL at the moment, and i dont even like MOBA games.
i'm just sick of being completely and utterly fucking alone |
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| Matkap Spain. March 09 2012 00:19. Posts 619 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 00:12 Bodzilla wrote:
I'm honestly considering dropping this game and going for LoL at the moment, and i dont even like MOBA games.
i'm just sick of being completely and utterly fucking alone
you do know that lol doesnt even have chat channels right? group replays? hey, LoL doesnt even have replays at all!!
you DO get 4 retards calling you retard all game though, really social game |
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