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Probulous Australia. February 15 2012 08:41. Posts 3784

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Ok I seem to be having a one-way conversation with myself in here, which my doctor says is not good for my health. So in a bid to try and get someone to join the conversation, here is my list of lurkers that need to post more in thread. IRC is all well and good but when it comes to working out your alignment IRC is a bitch. So do us a favour and post in here. If you are not posting your cases and thoughts in here you are not helping. Vigs as far as I am concerned you can fire away...

Lurkers - Not the good kind

zeurg
Bluelightz
rgTheWhoCares
SpiritClown
sinani206
Kenpachi
Grackaroni

There are others who have not posted much but what they have posted has felt townie to me. These guys I can't work out (except zeurg, you're going down).

Mattchew United States. February 15 2012 08:48. Posts 5120

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On February 15 2012 08:41 Probulous wrote:
Ok I seem to be having a one-way conversation with myself in here, which my doctor says is not good for my health. So in a bid to try and get someone to join the conversation, here is my list of lurkers that need to post more in thread. IRC is all well and good but when it comes to working out your alignment IRC is a bitch. So do us a favour and post in here. If you are not posting your cases and thoughts in here you are not helping. Vigs as far as I am concerned you can fire away...

Lurkers - Not the good kind

zeurg
Bluelightz
rgTheWhoCares
SpiritClown
sinani206
Kenpachi
Grackaroni

There are others who have not posted much but what they have posted has felt townie to me. These guys I can't work out (except zeurg, you're going down).

rg has been good in IRC imo. other than that you left off hufy (you think hes gonna get replaced) and mderg... he also was the first to vote

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.

Bluelightz Indonesia. February 15 2012 09:13. Posts 2327

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I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/

Anyway,

Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz

Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions

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sinani206 United States. February 15 2012 09:13. Posts 1649

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On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/

Anyway,

Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz

Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions

townie lists are bad

i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does

/forum/index.php?show_part=31

Palmar Iceland. February 15 2012 09:17. Posts 7607

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I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.

What do you think about that?

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sinani206 United States. February 15 2012 09:54. Posts 1649

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On February 15 2012 09:17 Palmar wrote:
I think you're scummy sinani206. I think you're being cocky and playing to your normally useless meta to hide the fact you have very little opinion on the game as it stands right now.

What do you think about that?

i'd rather not hide any facts. i don't have any opinions.

/forum/index.php?show_part=31

Grackaroni United States. February 15 2012 12:21. Posts 495

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My biggest scum read is Bluelightz

On February 14 2012 09:11 Bluelightz wrote:
Dude, I was sleeping. Getting on irc.

Anyway I do n't have any scum reads but my town reads are

Palmar
Paperscraps
Layabout
Grackaroni

First off giving a list of townie reads is bad, but I wouldn't expect Bluelightz to play any differently than this.
The reads themselves are pretty random, he quickly takes back town read on me when he realizes that Palmar has called me scummy.

On February 15 2012 09:13 Bluelightz wrote:
I feel like I'm Instant delurking but :/

Anyway,

Townie List:
Palmar
Probulous
Mattchew
prplhz

Scummy:
Sinani - Not a lot of contributions

Next day Bluelightz comes in again with his new list of reads. Not a lot of contributions is pretty weak and easy to retract for a scum read. The main reason Nisani is seen as scummy is because he has been unwilling to provide opinions and shows little interest in the game. (he said that prplhz was obv scum in IRC, but he did not care to explain it.) This list is lacking Paperscraps, who was on there earlier, It's possible that he simply forgot him but I think that he took him off just because he got accused a bit.

[19:15] <@Palmar> Paperscraps is town
[19:15] <Bluelightz> I believe scraps is town as well
[19:15] <derpladee> lol Bluelightz why?
[19:16] <Bluelightz> @prp I talked with him in irc and he seemed townie

I'm really not sure if it was a coincidence that Paperscraps was not on BL's town list from the earlier night but he had no real reasoning to back up his town read. His town reads are random and I think he just wanted to agree with palmar.

Bluelightz has jumped onto 2 of the easiest lynches in the game (already supported by several players) and posts a lot about asking opinions about me without providing his own.

[19:11] <Bluelightz> I think grack & sinani are scum imo

[19:28] <Bluelightz> IF we do Double Lynch who would we lynch? I Could see grack & Sinani getting lynched

[19:29] <Bluelightz> froggy what do you think of grack?

[19:34] <Bluelightz> Palmar, here's a PM from grack to me it made me seem like he had no "friends" or was clueless | Are you mainly communicating through PM's?
[19:34] <Bluelightz> Looked like that was your plan from IRC chat.

[19:39] <Bluelightz> Wadda ya think of Grack?
The only thing he does add about me is a random PM from me that shows nothing about my allignment. the PM he quoted was just my way of "breaking the ice"(prplhz). Seriously, I don't see the connection between me reaching out to him ------> me making it seem like I had no friends ----------> somehow indicating I am scum?

As far as I can recall I've never seen Bluelightz attack one player, he tends to stick to lists seperated by town, scum or town/scum. The Impression he has given me is that he does not want to make his own analysis on me, even though he thinks I'm scum, and is looking to pressure somebody else into writing a case for him.

Probulous Australia. February 15 2012 12:28. Posts 3784

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Thanks for posting Grack.

I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.

Grackaroni United States. February 15 2012 12:28. Posts 495

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On February 15 2012 12:28 Probulous wrote:
Thanks for posting Grack.

I would like to point out that you PM'd me asking my thoughts on Bluelightz. You also jumped into IRC asking about Bluelightz a little after Lanaia and I were discussing him. So this is a little like the pot/kettle/black thing. Reading again carefully.

I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again

Grackaroni United States. February 15 2012 12:31. Posts 495

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On February 15 2012 12:28 Grackaroni wrote:

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I haven't PM'd you all game. Check again

In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either.

Probulous Australia. February 15 2012 12:32. Posts 3784

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Holy hell I got you two mixed up, he was PM asking about you

Here it is

Original Message From Bluelightz:

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Ahh, okay thanks for replying. Will PM again if there is new topics

Sorry bro

Probulous Australia. February 15 2012 12:34. Posts 3784

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On February 15 2012 12:31 Grackaroni wrote:

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In fact I checked the IRC logs too. the first thing I said when I finished reading the chat was my opinion of Bluelightz. I never asked your opinion on him in IRC either.

Yeah it was more the timing than anything else. It was so weird you jumping in right after Lanaia and I had been talking about him. Given my mix up on the PMs, I retract the kettle statement. I don't know what is up with my reading this game

Paperscraps United States. February 15 2012 13:25. Posts 440

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Disclaimer: My reads aren't just from the text I have quoted, but the whole of the IRC log and the thread.

Read on [UoN]Sentinel = Scum
Read on Lanaia = Slightly scummy
Read on Grackaroni = Null

[01:39:43] <Paperscraps> sentinel you town bro?
[01:39:54] <[UoN]Sentinel> no
[01:39:55] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm scum
[01:39:59] <Paperscraps> k
[01:40:03] <[UoN]Sentinel> in fact i'm going to kill you tonight
[01:40:10] <Grackaroni> havent seen that one yet
[01:40:32] <[UoN]Sentinel> i'm also short fuse
[01:40:36] <Probulous> Don't mind me. Just scratchin my ass...
[01:40:44] <[UoN]Sentinel> and i'm going to blow up grack if he votes me
[01:40:47] <[UoN]Sentinel> because i can

[01:41:00] <Grackaroni> in case you were wondering I'm a troll hunter
[01:41:04] <Grackaroni> I can only shoot trolls
[01:41:10] <Paperscraps> dont do it [UoN]Sentinel I want to live!
[01:42:07] <Lanaia> hrm
[01:42:12] <Lanaia> you guys
[01:42:15] <Probulous> methinks you are talkin out said ass. A useful talent to have..
[01:42:16] <Lanaia> are being so strange
[01:42:35] *** Joins: Mattchew (webchat@174.44.3.68)
[01:42:40] <Mattchew> hi sentinel
[01:42:46] <Mattchew> are you scum
[01:43:01] <Paperscraps> yeah he threatened me
[01:43:04] <Paperscraps> obv scum
[01:43:08] <Grackaroni> hes shooting paperscraps tonight
[01:43:09] <[UoN]Sentinel> -_-
[01:43:11] <Grackaroni> good riddance
[01:43:15] <[UoN]Sentinel> lol

I take three things from this.
1) Sentinel has admitted to being scum and should be lynched.
2) Lanaia is playing diplomatic and doesn't seem to have an opinion of her own. I have a slight scum read on her.
3) Grackaroni thinks I should be shot, which is lol. Stop the OMGUS. Grackaroni is neutral for me now, because he posted a decent case against Bluelightz.

Read on SpiritClown = Slightly scummy

[20:45:09] <rgTheSchworz> Shoot me
[20:45:14] <Blazinghand> ^--- what is this
[20:45:28] <Blazinghand> actually no don't answer that
[20:45:51] <rgTheSchworz> N0- the only night trolling is helpful
[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^
[20:46:02] <Lanaia> you are too adamant in wanting to die.
[20:46:04] <rgTheSchworz> or the only day for that matter
[20:46:18] <rgTheSchworz> Fine, don t shoot me
[20:46:26] <rgTheSchworz> Yay I am assured to live

[20:45:53] <SpiritClown> since we want u to suffer we will not shoot or lynch u Schworz ^^

This sentence just doesn't sit well with me.

Something just irks me about SpiritClown right now.

Read on Sinani = Null

I don't have a read on Sinani. I don't know the meta.

On February 15 2012 09:13 sinani206 wrote:

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townie lists are bad

i honestly dont care if you think im scummy because no one else does

This is a good point. The scum teams know who the majority of the town is, but they don't know who is on the other scum team, so keep town reads to a minimum. By not making town lists we increase the chances of scum hitting each other.

Read on Bluelightz = Slightly scummy

Long IRC PM
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4:53p <Paperscraps> hey you town?
4:53p <Bluelightz> you first
4:53p <Paperscraps> yeah i am town
4:54p <Bluelightz> same'
4:54p <Paperscraps> sweet
4:54p <Paperscraps> !
4:54p <Bluelightz> Dx
4:54p <Bluelightz> anyway lets make a town pm circle
4:55p <Paperscraps> sounds good
4:55p <Paperscraps> layabout and palmar
4:55p <Paperscraps> are town im pretty sure
4:55p <Paperscraps> right now i suspect grackaroni and prob
4:55p <Bluelightz> ya
4:55p <Bluelightz> hmm
4:56p <Bluelightz> i gotta go in school soon(in the school bus right now)
4:56p <Paperscraps> gotcha
4:56p <Bluelightz> I dunno lb could easily be scum though like in purgatory
4:56p <Paperscraps> well
4:57p <Paperscraps> palmar said layabout is confirmed town
4:57p <Paperscraps> so take that for what it is
4:57p <Bluelightz> o_o
4:57p <Bluelightz> what do you think about prp
4:57p <Paperscraps> 1:44p <@Palmar> layabout is confirmed town
4:57p <Paperscraps> umm
4:57p <Paperscraps> prp is null at the moment
4:57p <Bluelightz> ahh kk at that
4:58p <Paperscraps> prp is kind of playing the middle
4:58p <Paperscraps> dont know what to make of it
4:58p <Bluelightz> :3
4:58p <Paperscraps> we dont have much to go on yet really
4:58p <Bluelightz> yup
4:58p <Paperscraps> need more people to post
4:59p <Bluelightz> i gotta go now though cya
4:59p <Paperscraps> later
1:58a <Bluelightz> helo
3:36a <Paperscraps> hi
3:36a No such nick
4:15p <Bluelightz> hey you there?
4:15p <Paperscraps> yeah
4:16p <Bluelightz> Any scum reads? :/
4:16p <Paperscraps> prp and grack
4:16p <Paperscraps> matt and probu are null
4:16p <Paperscraps> foggy and layabout town
4:16p <Bluelightz> I dunno I had Grack as town
4:17p <Bluelightz> he PMed me this, I do think this means he has no friends : Are you mainly communicating through PM's?
4:17p <Paperscraps> a bit here and there
4:17p <Paperscraps> grack pm'ed me
4:18p <Paperscraps> sold me on him being scum
4:19p <Bluelightz> really?
4:19p <Bluelightz> I do understand why prp is scummy imo
4:20p <Bluelightz> asking for roles :#
4:22p <Bluelightz> hey Paperscraps
4:22p <Paperscraps> hey
4:23p <Bluelightz> what do you think of
4:23p <Bluelightz> Gracks recent posting in the main channel?
4:23p <Bluelightz> might be grack prp _____ scum team maybe?
4:23p <Paperscraps> yeah
4:24p <Bluelightz> prp just posted his defense in the thread
4:25p <Paperscraps> yeah i need to read through it
4:28p <Paperscraps> prp got so serious so quick
4:28p <Paperscraps> interesting
4:28p <Bluelightz> I'm gonna try PM lb
4:28p <Bluelightz> im gonna send you a pm of my latest reads before i go in school later
4:07p <Bluelightz> Hey paperscraps who do you think is scum nao?

Bluelightz is very reactionary and agreeable.

PM from Bluelightz to me
Grack & Prp scumy, grack gonna see in the day, see if he randomly sheeps.

LB, Palmar is town

A bit contradictory since Bluelightz has probably sheeped the hardest out of everyone.

He changed his read on Grackaroni in a heart beat, because other people thought Grackaroni was scummy.

Read on prplhz = Scum

I just played with prplhz in hammer mini mafia. He is posting and playing much differently than in that game. He is more defensive and less proactive like he was in hammer mini mafia. He was quick to make cases in the previous game, but hasn't really provided any substantial reads on others yet.

Yes this is a meta argument, but until prplhz starts posting actionable reads I have nothing else to go off of.

He is all about lynching lurkers, which I don't agree with.

My scum-o-meter (Most scummy on top to least scummy on bottom)

prplhz
[UoN]Sentinel
Bluelightz
Lanaia
SpiritClown

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Probulous Australia. February 15 2012 13:39. Posts 3784

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Thanks for posting your reads Paperscraps.

Am I correct in saying that you think both Sentinel and SpiritClown are mafia because they claimed to be mafia?

Lanaia Canada. February 15 2012 14:58. Posts 1142

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Well, fellas, I'm going to vote mderg.
You know why I'm going to vote mderg?

To coerce him into talking, of course.

mderg, how do you feel now? You're being voted.

Everywhere, you've said nothing of substance.
Everywhere, you haven't contributed. Get back in the game or my vote isn't moving. That's a promise.

<3 If you chase a mirage, the desert will swallow you.

Bluelightz Indonesia. February 15 2012 16:44. Posts 2327

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@Grack

Your first point, when I quickly turned back on you being scummy, I remembered my read on you after I posted that list, coupled by thoughts on other people

Your second point, Where I left Paper out of my town list, & prp in my town list, The first, I forgot :3 and with prp with recent talking with him, I felt he was town.

Your third point, You & Sinani were the easiest lynches, Not alot of people do agree that you are scum.

Laslty,

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Bluelightz Indonesia. February 15 2012 16:46. Posts 2327

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Continuing from last post(hit wrong button qq)

I agree, I am not making a case, am pusing the easiest lynches currently(you & sinani as you say)

I do not think grack is scummy anymore but still think Sinani is scummy, Will make a case on him later but not now as I don't have much time right now.

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Palmar Iceland. February 15 2012 18:43. Posts 7607

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Why do you not think Grack is scummy anymore. I agree with you, but I want to hear your reasoning. Do you not find his case against you to be scummy? Are you 100% certain that he'd only be able to come up with this case as town? Why would a townie write such a case against you?

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Palmar Iceland. February 15 2012 18:49. Posts 7607

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In addition, Paperscraps is very towny. I'm willing to let prplhz slide for now, he's probably one of the better scumhunters in the game, and lynching him day 1 seems kinda useless unless I'm sure he's scum. In addition we had a little exchange on IRC last night involving a PM to sinani206, and the fact that prplhz sent that PM seems like something a townie would do.

I'm not sure what to make of sinani206's refusal to form an opinion. He knows and is fully aware he's denying the chance to form a read on him. I'm not sure if he's playing stubborn and stupid townie, or if he's using that to hide he's scum.

@Kenpachi, stop lurking or I'll hang you.

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