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| Ravnemesteren February 14 2012 08:16. Posts 213 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless. |
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| namste Finland. February 14 2012 08:20. Posts 2098 | Profile # |
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| BanelingXD February 14 2012 08:26. Posts 130 | Profile # |
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.
The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.
Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.
IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"
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| shizna United Kingdom. February 14 2012 08:34. Posts 803 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.
The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.
Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.
IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"
that's harsh, idra's had a tough 6 months or so... if the pieces we've heard of his personal life are true.
i dislike idra's behaviour, but there's no doubting that he can be a great player when he wants to be.
first and foremost i think he needs to start respecting his opponent... idra doesn't seem to give any respect, so he doesn't deserve any respect in return. you play the game for fun - giving your opponent a 'free win' and an awfully disappointing series on purpose is a disrespectful waste of time. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you win or lose - at least show some fight and people will respect you for it. |
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| Talack Canada. February 14 2012 08:34. Posts 2487 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.
The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.
Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.
IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"
10 minutes isn't long enough for idra lol |
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| theJob February 14 2012 08:36. Posts 264 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 07:58 HotShizz wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:39 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:35 nvs. wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:28 Bagi wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:19 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:07 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:01 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 06:57 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 14 2012 06:52 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 06:39 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
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You can't specify which builds because a well executed 6 pool is viable, what Idra did is not. It's very, very easy to tell the difference between some one cheesing because they think it can win and some one cheesing because they don't give a fuck. Idra clearly didn't care, threw away the games, was BM the entire showmatch and was therefore punished for it. I see nothing wrong with this.
What if someone attempts to make a "viable sixpool" but it looks like a "unviable sixpool" to you – should that player be stripped from his pricemoney? So the rule should be something like "If NASL deem a sixpool build being a result of "not giving a fuck" the player will never be reinvited to a future NASL event unless forfeiting his or hers price money". These kind of rules has the risk of being extremely arbitrary and will be put in effect whenever it suits the league that it'll be the players that'll take it up the rear. It's effectively "if I don't like what you're doing you'll be punished" – there's a reason why we specify laws very well IRL.
Six pools become pretty unviable once you keep doing them after you fail. I wouldn't mind if idrA had done only one of them, but doing two in a row just shows he doesn't care anymore
Ok, then it's: "sixpooling twice in a row = punishable offence" to the NASL rules?
How stupid are you? It's the forfeiting that's the problem, not the fucking cheese
How stupid are you? It's the arbitrary use of power that's the issue. Either you have specified rules OR you admit to having arbitrary powers to punish players. If the first is true then they have to list the specific builds that players can be punished for executing. If the latter is true then NASL can strip the pricemoney of the next NASL season 2 champion "because he smelled funny". Punishing players on a fucking whim whenever they feel like their sponsors didn't get their monies worth is pure bullshit if anyone cares for the integrity of the game. But listing strategies as punishable offences are stupid unless we want to completely revamp the "meta-game".
Common sense exists. Use it.
This dudes rant reminds me of people who have taken their first 100 level Philosophy class and believe they can reason anything out using MEGALOGIX and gross exaggeration.
Why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of making snarky remarks like a little b
First place you are wrong is purely semantics, but you want prize money not price money. Price is what you pay for goods prize denotes a winning. Where you are right: There must be clearly defined rules. Where you are wrong: You have no idea what the rules are or who decided that the prize money would be forfeited. I think it is great that he forfeited the prize. I doubt it was his decision, but perhaps it was his team's. Perhaps they saw that his level of play was a disgrace and they demanded that he forfeit the prize or face further punitive measures within their organization. Perhaps they said give back the money or publicly apologize and he chose to give back the money. You are wrong in assigning blame and assuming that no rules were given to the players before the games were played. While you may be trying to use this example to create a debate over the powers of a tournament, you are arguing with people who are speaking specifically of these four games. I doubt their is anyone who would argue decisions made on a whim by tournament organizers is bad for the scene and most likely illegal. If I said I would pay you 10€ to mow my lawn and you mow it, but miss a section, we will come to an amicable decision, I give you 8 € or you come back to finish your job. One must infer some decision was made behind closed doors. What was said, we will never know, but you cannot assign blame based on partial evidence.
First off I'll have to apologize for spelling prize-money wrong – english isn't my mother tongue.
But if you want to go down that road then I guess my second point would be your misuse of the possessive pronoun “their” when the correct term would be “there”.
Thirdly if you read my responses again I never claimed to know which rules that does or doesn't exist in NASL. What I did do was question the very use of rules concerning builds.
But you are right that I’ve interpreted Xeris response as NASL allowing Idra into the considerations for future events because of him forfeiting his money, when this isn’t necessarily the case. However if you read Xeris post “As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.” Then I’d say that my assumption shouldn’t come as a shock. Saying it like Xeris is saying it, it certainly sounds like NASL’s considerations of inviting Idra in the future is a consequence of Idra forfeiting his money. If that isn’t the case then I’d argue the post is poorly written and prone to misunderstandings.
And yes, you are right that I was wrong to assume that NASL didn’t tell Idra that two sixpools in a row is a punishable offence. I admit that.
Lastly if you read my posts again you’ll notice that I’m not in favor of having rules about which buildorders that are allowed or not nor am I in favor of leaving the punishment of players to NASL’s best judgment. I would personally rather have tournaments stay the hell away from in game strategies bared from cheating and game-fixing.
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| Necro)Phagist( Canada. February 14 2012 08:41. Posts 4915 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games.
Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent.
Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series.
If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you.
Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".Last edit: 2012-02-14 08:42:30 |
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| DrN0 United Kingdom. February 14 2012 08:55. Posts 181 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:34 shizna wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.
The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.
Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.
IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"
i dislike idra's behaviour, but there's no doubting that he can be a great player when he wants to be. first and foremost i think he needs to start respecting his opponent... idra doesn't seem to give any respect, so he doesn't deserve any respect in return. you play the game for fun - giving your opponent a 'free win' and an awfully disappointing series on purpose is a disrespectful waste of time. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you win or lose - at least show some fight and people will respect you for it.
What do we know of his personal life? I haven't been following the scene for the last year or so and am interested in what you could be referring to.
As far as the game is concerned I think the issue has been addressed, I think a lot of people haven't fully realized that he gained nothing and lost some fan support and therefore losing him money (tournament organizers and the like will think twice about inviting IdrA as well as stream numbers).
This is IdrA, he has been the same for the entirety of his playing career, I see no reason for him to change now, but maybe people will start to think this guy doesn't deserve the praise he gets, either way I doubt much will change. |
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| HotShizz France. February 14 2012 08:58. Posts 553 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 08:36 theJob wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 07:58 HotShizz wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:39 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:35 nvs. wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:28 Bagi wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:19 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:07 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 14 2012 07:01 theJob wrote:
On February 14 2012 06:57 1Eris1 wrote:
On February 14 2012 06:52 theJob wrote:
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What if someone attempts to make a "viable sixpool" but it looks like a "unviable sixpool" to you – should that player be stripped from his pricemoney?
So the rule should be something like "If NASL deem a sixpool build being a result of "not giving a fuck" the player will never be reinvited to a future NASL event unless forfeiting his or hers price money".
These kind of rules has the risk of being extremely arbitrary and will be put in effect whenever it suits the league that it'll be the players that'll take it up the rear. It's effectively "if I don't like what you're doing you'll be punished" – there's a reason why we specify laws very well IRL.
Six pools become pretty unviable once you keep doing them after you fail. I wouldn't mind if idrA had done only one of them, but doing two in a row just shows he doesn't care anymore
Ok, then it's: "sixpooling twice in a row = punishable offence" to the NASL rules?
How stupid are you? It's the forfeiting that's the problem, not the fucking cheese
How stupid are you? It's the arbitrary use of power that's the issue. Either you have specified rules OR you admit to having arbitrary powers to punish players. If the first is true then they have to list the specific builds that players can be punished for executing. If the latter is true then NASL can strip the pricemoney of the next NASL season 2 champion "because he smelled funny". Punishing players on a fucking whim whenever they feel like their sponsors didn't get their monies worth is pure bullshit if anyone cares for the integrity of the game. But listing strategies as punishable offences are stupid unless we want to completely revamp the "meta-game".
Common sense exists. Use it.
This dudes rant reminds me of people who have taken their first 100 level Philosophy class and believe they can reason anything out using MEGALOGIX and gross exaggeration.
Why don't you tell me where I'm wrong instead of making snarky remarks like a little b
First place you are wrong is purely semantics, but you want prize money not price money. Price is what you pay for goods prize denotes a winning. Where you are right: There must be clearly defined rules. Where you are wrong: You have no idea what the rules are or who decided that the prize money would be forfeited. I think it is great that he forfeited the prize. I doubt it was his decision, but perhaps it was his team's. Perhaps they saw that his level of play was a disgrace and they demanded that he forfeit the prize or face further punitive measures within their organization. Perhaps they said give back the money or publicly apologize and he chose to give back the money. You are wrong in assigning blame and assuming that no rules were given to the players before the games were played. While you may be trying to use this example to create a debate over the powers of a tournament, you are arguing with people who are speaking specifically of these four games. I doubt their is anyone who would argue decisions made on a whim by tournament organizers is bad for the scene and most likely illegal. If I said I would pay you 10€ to mow my lawn and you mow it, but miss a section, we will come to an amicable decision, I give you 8 € or you come back to finish your job. One must infer some decision was made behind closed doors. What was said, we will never know, but you cannot assign blame based on partial evidence.
First off I'll have to apologize for spelling prize-money wrong – english isn't my mother tongue. But if you want to go down that road then I guess my second point would be your misuse of the possessive pronoun “their” when the correct term would be “there”. Thirdly if you read my responses again I never claimed to know which rules that does or doesn't exist in NASL. What I did do was question the very use of rules concerning builds. But you are right that I’ve interpreted Xeris response as NASL allowing Idra into the considerations for future events because of him forfeiting his money, when this isn’t necessarily the case. However if you read Xeris post “As a result, IdrA has forfeited his $100 consolation prize and we may reconsider inviting him to special events in the future.” Then I’d say that my assumption shouldn’t come as a shock. Saying it like Xeris is saying it, it certainly sounds like NASL’s considerations of inviting Idra in the future is a consequence of Idra forfeiting his money. If that isn’t the case then I’d argue the post is poorly written and prone to misunderstandings. And yes, you are right that I was wrong to assume that NASL didn’t tell Idra that two sixpools in a row is a punishable offence. I admit that. Lastly if you read my posts again you’ll notice that I’m not in favor of having rules about which buildorders that are allowed or not nor am I in favor of leaving the punishment of players to NASL’s best judgment. I would personally rather have tournaments stay the hell away from in game strategies bared from cheating and game-fixing.
Woopsies! Nice catch on the their ^-^
I agree that it is ambiguous when he says as a result he is forfeiting this money. It was not clearly defined who made that decision, just that it is a result of the poor play. You may assume the tournament fined him, or he was guilt ridden and wouldn't accept the money, or that Alex Garfield forced him to refuse it, but it wasn't specifically stated that they had decided it, as when Mr. Chae said GSL decided to revoke NaNiwa's invitation to Code S. However a poor showing is certainly within the rights of the tournament hosts to decide whether or not to invite that player back to another event. They must put on a good show for the sponsors and if a player is unable or unwilling to put on that show, then they have zero obligation to invite him back.
Tournaments should not tell a player what builds he may or may not use. However, perhaps they require that you give it a best effort and have that effort be subject to official review. If you decide to continue on despite this rule, then you must live with the consequences. That said, if the tournament cheats a player out of money that ought to have been fairly his, it can be assured that the tournament will not be long lasting, as was the case with ESWC and why so few players wanted to attend (not the same situation but ESWC didn't pay under old management so no one trusted their tournaments).
Either way, before hand that must be clearly defined rules agreed on by all parties. I agree with that. I think we just cannot argue about this based on the evidence. I agree that a tournament should not just make decisions on whims, but we cannot assume that that is what happened in this case.
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| Ravnemesteren February 14 2012 09:03. Posts 213 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten upLast edit: 2012-02-14 09:04:39 |
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| CeriseCherries United States. February 14 2012 09:10. Posts 4704 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Ok to be honest the first 6 pool was arguable, but the second one was not... I mean not only did the first 6 pool have a slightly better chance, but also wasn't you know, the second 6 pool in a row (I mean he nearly beat Jinro with a 6pool way back when lol... dat marine so clutch) |
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| Tegin United States. February 14 2012 09:12. Posts 821 | Profile # |
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| Necro)Phagist( Canada. February 14 2012 09:13. Posts 4915 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it....
I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games. |
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| Talack Canada. February 14 2012 09:20. Posts 2487 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it.... I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.
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| Necro)Phagist( Canada. February 14 2012 09:22. Posts 4915 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 09:20 Talack wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it.... I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.
I think you're getting trolled
I actually kind of hope he is just trolling me and not serious T.T
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| Strivers United States. February 14 2012 09:26. Posts 307 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 06:52 EtherealDeath wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 06:50 morevox wrote:
Has Idra responded? Has NASL made any comment regarding this?
nasl says idra has forfeited his $100 and they will reconsider inviting him to future special events.
Nice! Hopefully he can learn that his immaturity isn't worth a free $100.
IMO he already knew he couldn't recover from a 0-2 deficit vs Code S calibre, let alone an 0-3.
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| Ravnemesteren February 14 2012 09:28. Posts 213 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it.... I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.
Jesus, read TEXT neanderthal. If someone tilts they WONT PLAY THEIR BEST. I wish some people would have the fucking ability to think logically. Dude. Some players tilt.. and you know what? They won't play their best. So you can't just say they should have done this or that. And if you do, you are a friggin robot. "Try something with a resemblence of respect". Look at that sentence. Couldn't you point out what he should have done like other knowitalls ... no ofcourse not ... cuz you dont know. And damn. Why are you trying to skew what i said. I don't understand why we get all the uproar. If a player doesnt play as expected, or as good as we wanted, we can't complain..... and GOD FORBID they show some negative emotion.
EDIT: fuck it, I am prolly getting trolled, but I am too drunk to understand it. If so props to you mr troll
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| Necro)Phagist( Canada. February 14 2012 09:34. Posts 4915 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 09:28 Ravnemesteren wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 09:13 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 09:03 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:41 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:16 Ravnemesteren wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:13 Talack wrote:
On February 14 2012 08:07 Ravnemesteren wrote:
So many weird opinions here. I mostly agree IdrA tilted. But the outrage is idiotic! Friggin idiotic! Lucky can double 6 pool MMA (yeah MMA), and eliminate him from the mlg qualifiers. But if IdrA does it, without typing gg (when does he ever gg when he doesnt have to ... think about it) ... and he looses ... then shitstorm on every sc2 forum. People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans.
You really have no idea what's going on do you : / You're ethier incredibly ignorant or trolling.
Yeah I just love smart answers like that (heavy, heavy saracastic drawl). If you want to point of why I am so wrong, you need to actually do it ... or else you seem very clueless.
You got the heavy sarcastic drawl because, what you try and argue has been beaten to death in this thread. Lucky 6 pooled where it was viable, he did it well and weighed the options and thought he could win. Idra just simply didn't give a shit. he dropped a pool and ran his lings across the map, little to no micro. He threw the games. Lucky 6 pooled but he did as a calculated strategy to beat a better opponent. Idra 6 pooled because he didn't give a shit and didn't want to play out the series. If you can't see the difference between these two situations there is no hope for you. Also why would you expect any real response when you end with "People are dumb. Especially alot of sc2 fans".
Now you have to go back to my post that got targeted. I said I mainly agree that IdrA tilted. Okay. So if you are tilted you can do a pretty strong strategy by 6 pooling. He didnt calculate it, but it can work. So its frigging not the same as giving up. He could have 6 pooled better ofcourse. But TONS of players change up how they want to play and play, under par. Thats just what happened (probably, I won't claim I know what actually happened like you do). IdrA seems like I guy that can get tilted damn hard and play way below his standard. So its better to try to end it early with a smaller percentage chance if you feel you get that mad (thats my opinion at least if he actually got mad). And why the frigging uproar? If guy gets tilted and does a legit strat, but he doesnt do it as well as it could be done.... pfff, then TL has become tons worse than blizz forums ever was... games like occur ALL the time. Stop acting like crazy, little, self, entitled, idiots just because someone didnt conform to the standard GG, robot, korean way of acting. You guys need to lighten up
Lol wow... and this is why you receive sarcastic drawl. You pretty much ignore/twist what I say into some bullshit. The point here is their is a huge difference between the way Lucky 6 pooled and the way Idra 6 pooled. Idra basically quit and said fuck you to NASL and to the fans. So I guess I'm a crazy self entitled idiot because I want a player to do what he is fucking paid to do and not be a little baby about it.... I don't expect all players to be robots and GG all the time(Though realistically they are supposed to be professionals and probably should anyway....). but you're invited to do a show match, at least try and show some resemblance of respect, if not to Alive at least to NASL who picked you out of hundreds of players who would love the chance to play those games.
Jesus, read TEXT neanderthal. If someone tilts they WONT PLAY THEIR BEST. I wish some people would have the fucking ability to think logically. Dude. Some players tilt.. and you know what? They won't play their best. So you can't just say they should have done this or that. And if you do, you are a friggin robot. "Try something with a resemblence of respect". Look at that sentence. Couldn't you point out what he should have done like other knowitalls ... no ofcourse not ... cuz you dont know. And damn. Why are you trying to skew what i said. I don't understand why we get all the uproar. If a player doesnt play as expected, or as good as we wanted, we can't complain..... and GOD FORBID they show some negative emotion. EDIT: fuck it, I am prolly getting trolled, but I am too drunk to understand it. If so props to you mr troll
lol are you serious? Tilting and not playing your best is one thing. Rage quitting and throwing away a series is a complete other thing.... this is getting out of hand for a thread. When you sober up if you want to continue discussing this PM me.... |
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| MavivaM February 14 2012 09:36. Posts 454 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 09:12 Tegin wrote:
Pretty disappointed in the effort that IdrA displayed. Then again I'm really not surprised at all..typical IdrA behavior.
I didn't even see the match, but I'm pretty sure that it happened the exact same shit like from about a year.
He is paied exactly to stir up this kind of drama... and most likely it's way more than this prizepool, so he probably doesn't even care that much about losing.
People keep giving him attention and so EG is fine with that.
You won't see a player who makes up more money from sponsorships, salary and advertisements than actual tournaments results change his attitude for some bucks (with all of my respect for these bucks, being clear).
He doesn't need them.
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| Noxblood Norway. February 14 2012 09:42. Posts 369 | Profile # |
On February 14 2012 08:34 shizna wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 14 2012 08:26 BanelingXD wrote:
I used to wonder how people could be so delusional that IdrA has a well developed fanboy community but then I remembered that 33% of Americans get all their info from Fox News and it all started to make sense.
The sooner IdrA leaves the better it will be for Esports, particularly foreigners in Esports. IdrA has mediocre skills, a losing record in any list of events you want to mention and a horrible attitude.
Pay me his salary. I'll win more games AND be a better face for western esports, mainly because I'd appreciate where I was and would want to work for it.
IdrA can basically be summarized as the progamer version of "10 MINS NO RUSH!!!"
that's harsh, idra's had a tough 6 months or so... if the pieces we've heard of his personal life are true.i dislike idra's behaviour, but there's no doubting that he can be a great player when he wants to be. first and foremost i think he needs to start respecting his opponent... idra doesn't seem to give any respect, so he doesn't deserve any respect in return. you play the game for fun - giving your opponent a 'free win' and an awfully disappointing series on purpose is a disrespectful waste of time. at the end of the day, it doesn't matter if you win or lose - at least show some fight and people will respect you for it.
I have missed that. what is it that supposed to have happened? Last edit: 2012-02-14 09:44:53 |
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