I won't describe this video in my own words because the youtube video description covers everything:
My daughter thought it would be funny/rebellious/cool to post on her Facebook wall just how upset she was and how unfair her life here is; how we work her too hard with chores, never pay her for chores, and just in general make her life difficult.
She chose to share this with the entire world on Facebook and block her parent's from seeing it. Well, umm... she failed. As of the end of this video, she won't have to worry anymore about posting inappropriate things on Facebook...
Maybe a few kids can take something away from this... If you're so disrespectful to your parents and yourself as to post this kind of thing on Facebook, you're deserving of some tough love. Today, my daughter is getting a dose of tough love.
My own take is that the man is absolutely justified. If I have a kid who crosses the line, my hope is that I will have the courage to discipline them. Obviously, people are going to be talking about petty things + Show Spoiler +
like what he did to the laptop (i.e. could have given it away)
, but the main point is that the father took a strong stance against the entitlement attitudes of many of today's younger generation.
Also, the video clearly shows that the parents care deeply about their child + Show Spoiler +
(he mentioned that she eventually may only use a laptop when she goes to college)
. Clearly he cares enough to discipline her like this.
EDIT: Was pointed out to me there was an interview of the parents. + Show Spoiler +
Media Response to Anita Li, from the Toronto Star
Since you took the time to email us with your requests like we asked, I’ll take the time to give you an honest follow-up response. You’ll have to forgive me for doing so publicly though; again I want to be sure my words are portrayed the way I actually say them, not cut together to make entirely different points.
Your questions were: Q: Why did y...ou decide to reprimand your daughter over a public medium like YouTube?
A: Well, I actually just had to load the video file itself on YouTube because it’s a better upload process than Facebook, but the intended audience was her Facebook friends and the parents of those friends who saw her post and would naturally assume we let our children get away with something like that. So, to answer “Why did you reprimand her over a public medium like Facebook” my answer is this: Because that’s how I was raised. If I did something embarrassing to my parents in public (such as a grocery store) I got my tail tore up right there in front of God and everyone, right there in the store. I put the reprisal in exactly the same medium she did, in the exact same manner. Her post went out to about 452 people. Mine went out to about 550 people… originally. I had no idea it would become what it did.
Q: How effective do you think your punishment was (i.e. shooting her laptop and reading her letter online)?
A: I think it was very effective on one front. She apparently didn’t remember being talked to about previous incidents, nor did she seem to remember the effects of having it taken away, nor did the eventual long-term grounding seem to get through to her. I think she thought “Well, I’ll just wait it out and I’ll get it back eventually.” Her behavior corrected for a short time, and then it went back to what it was before and worse. This time, she won’t ever forget and it’ll be a long time before she has an opportunity to post on Facebook again. I feel pretty certain that every day from then to now, whenever one of her friends mentions Facebook, she’ll remember it and wish she hadn’t done what she did.
The second lesson I want her to learn is the value of a dollar. We don’t give her everything she asks for, but you can all imagine what it’s like being the only grandchild and the first child. Presents and money come from all sides when you’re young. Most of the things she has that are “cool” were bought or gifted that way. She’s always asked for very few things, but they’re always high-dollar things (iPod, laptop, smartphone, etc). Eventually she gets given enough money to get them. That’s not learning the value of a dollar. Its knowing how to save money, which I greatly applaud in her, but it’s not enough. She wants a digital SLR camera. She wants a 22 rifle like mine. She wants a car. She wants a smart phone with a data package and unlimited texting. (I have to hear about that one every week!)
She thinks all these things are supposed to be given to her because she’s got parents. It’s not going to happen, at least not in our house. She can get a job and work for money just like everyone else. Then she can spend it on anything she wants (within reason). If she wants to work for two months to save enough to purchase a $1000 SLR camera with an $800 lens, then I can guarantee she’ll NEVER leave it outside at night. She’ll be careful when she puts it away and carries it around. She’ll value it much more because she worked so hard to get it. Instead, with the current way things have been given to her, she's on about her fourth phone and just expects another one when she breaks the one she has. She's not sorry about breaking it, or losing it, she's sorry only because she can't text her friends. I firmly believe she'll be a LOT more careful when she has to buy her own $299.00 Motorola Razr smartphone.
Until then, she can do chores, and lots and lots of them, so the people who ARE feeding her, clothing her, paying for all her school trips, paying for her musical instruments, can have some time to relax after they finish working to support her and the rest of the family. She can either work to make money on her own, or she will do chores to contribute around the house. She’s known all along that all she has to do is get a job and a lot of these chores will go away. But if you’re too lazy to work even to get things you want for yourself, I’m certainly not going to let you sit idly on your rear-end with your face glued to both the TV and Facebook for 5 to 6 hours per night. Those days are over.
Q: How did your daughter respond to the video and to what happened to her laptop?
A: She responded to the video with “I can’t believe you shot my computer!” That was the first thing she said when she found out about it. Then we sat and we talked for quite a long while on the back patio about the things she did, the things I did in response, etc.
Later after she’d had time to process it and I’d had time to process her thoughts on the matters we discussed, we were back to a semi-truce… you know that uncomfortable moment when you’re in the kitchen with your child after an argument and you’re both waiting to see which one’s going to cave in and resume normal conversation first? Yeah, that moment. I told her about the video response and about it going viral and about the consequences it could have on our family for the next couple of days and asked if she wanted to see some of the comments people had made. After the first few hundred comments, she was astounded with the responses.
People were telling her she was going to commit suicide, commit a gun-related crime, become a drug addict, drop out of school, get pregnant on purpose, and become a stripper because she’s too emotionally damaged now to be a productive member of society. Apparently stripper was the job-choice of most of the commenters. Her response was “Dude… it’s only a computer. I mean, yeah I’m mad but pfft.” She actually asked me to post a comment on one of the threads (and I did) asking what other job fields the victims of laptop-homicide were eligible for because she wasn’t too keen on the stripping thing.
We agreed we learned two collective lessons from this so far:
First: As her father, I’ll definitely do what I say I will, both positive and negative and she can depend on that. She no longer has any doubt about that.
Second: We have always told her what you put online can affect you forever. Years later a single Facebook/MySpace/Twitter comment can affect her eligibility for a good job and can even get her fired from a job she already has. She’s seen first-hand through this video the worst possible scenario that can happen. One post, made by her Dad, will probably follow him the rest of his life; just like those mean things she said on Facebook will stick with the people her words hurt for a long time to come. Once you put it out there, you can’t take it back, so think carefully before you use the internet to broadcast your thoughts and feelings.
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Timurid Guyana (French). February 11 2012 12:07. Posts 655
There are two children in this situation, the girl and the dad both. An adult shouldn't need to fire a gun into some expensive property to deal with a situation.
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
Terranist United States. February 11 2012 12:11. Posts 2286
i can already see the memes rolling in. this guy is about as stereotypical as it gets. why use a ".45" with "hollow points" when you could simply just smash the laptop. christ sake, we americans love our guns too much sometimes.
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ChuCky.Ca Canada. February 11 2012 12:12. Posts 2475
Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
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Sermokala United States. February 11 2012 12:22. Posts 4769
I read this article and while it is somewhat humourous, I am confused on why people think this is a good thing. A kid getting pissed at their parents and typing shit to their friends bitching about it is normal. If your kid does not hate you at some point in their life, then you might be doing something wrong, but what the father does is just childish and stupid. This is not a grown-up way to punish or solve problems in life.
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
tobi9999 United States. February 11 2012 12:23. Posts 1212
Typical 15 year old American teenage girl, complain all day about hard life when her life is fine. Waste time on facebook posting about parents, then complain about not having a life. =(
I would feel sorry for her, but it seems like she wouldn't have done anything productive at all anyways.
I did not expect him to just pull out his gun and point the camera to the laptop on the ground, then shoot it several times at all.
made me laugh really hard
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`Zapdos United States. February 11 2012 12:24. Posts 934
Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
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Bippzy United States. February 11 2012 12:25. Posts 1335
hahahahaha this is great. This is fine parenting, how my father does it. It's really rough if you don't meet up to expectations, but really nice if you do. I've very rarely not lived up, and when I haven't it really quite sucked. However, my bed and towel and dishes are always clean....so yeah. And really,
How is he going to expect his daughter to ever become a responsible, well mannered adult if he models tantrum behavior to her? Because that's what he did, was throw a big tantrum.
Yeah...no. He just explained to his daughter what she did was wrong and then disposed of the laptop. If he left it not disposed it would collect dust. That is not tantrum behavior, just cool parenting. If you disagree, I'm curious as to what the proper course of action is and if it would have the desired effect.
The Jinro Edit:
On February 11 2012 12:24 Liquid`Jinro wrote: Not gonna watch video, dont feel like getting annoyed at how retarded this person obviously is.
Teenagers have whined about their parents ever since the word 'teenager' was invented, and whining on facebook is not different from whining to friends --
It's like calling your dad an asshole slave driver in public. I would argue that he's correct in his actions, especially because my father would do quite the same thing if I was grounded for something and then did it again... Hmm...how to say this... Don't judge a youtube video by it's description?
Edit2 because someone said something ignorant:
On February 11 2012 12:27 Fuzzmosis wrote: How is he expecting her to watch the video if he just shot her computer?
He said in the video "You may never see this." also he posted it on her facebook wall so I can imagine her friends will see it and I'm doubtful it's really meant only for his daughter.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
He discusses everything she says as far as I'm concerned, I'll leave the burden of truth on the accuser. Also, " What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life." really? I think you're just being dramatic. It's an older way of punishment, destroying entertainment.
Plus, I view this as a parent disciplining his daughter in the same way his daughter bad mouthed him (clever imo). I'm inclined to believe you don't give your daughter a laptop if you are a psycho who wants to ruin her life. AND he didn't post it around the internet, he posted on his daughters facebook and the internet posted it around the internet. I just can't agree with the insinuation of a psycho, it's just an attempt at demonizing a normal thing.
On February 11 2012 12:19 Mstring wrote: Now he's alienated his daughter even more. What his daughter is feeling is real even though this father is trying his best to invalidate those feelings. Trying to understand why she feels that way is the first step. Taking away her laptop won't fix the underlying problem.
exactly my thinking. What sociopathic behavior he's displaying. would anyone want a parent that shoots guns at your stuff? I'd actually be afraid for my life. He's trying to invalidate her to control her. If you go back and listen to her letter carefully, he doesn't even discuss most of what she says, instead calling her a liar on a few counts and ignoring all the other stuff. Additionally, we have no way of verifying the truthfulness of his or her claims. He could be a manipulative asshole who thinks hes right (since they always do), and does this to alienate her from everyone. sociopaths like alienating people and making them totally dependent on the sociopath.
ANd the overdramatic over the top way he posts this all around the internet and what he does in the video simply reinforces how "off" he is mentally.
Exactly...this is not a quality, adult, grown up reaction to things. Is the father still 15 and in high school because that is what it seems like?
We think too much and feel too little. More than machinery, we need humanity. More than cleverness, we need kindness and gentleness. Without these qualities, life will be violent and all will be lost. -Charlie Chaplin
Fuzzmosis Canada. February 11 2012 12:27. Posts 386
Personally I find it to be justified. Especially given that this is apparently not the first time this has happened. Originally I thought he was a bit of an idiot, but after hearing the post from the daughter I changed my mind. Of course, shooting the laptop seems like an odd decision when compared to selling it for example. Bit of a waste imo. But there is something to be said for shock factor.
Shiragaku United States. February 11 2012 12:28. Posts 2923
Well I personally believe teenagers should learn to question their parents authority at times which all of my peers agree, but they seem to abuse it too fucking much.
If you are going to rebel, at least learn to sustain yourself. Teenagers forget how much their parents provide in their life.