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| monkybone April 20 2012 03:23. Posts 2918 | Profile # |
| Wheres the love for the game? Isn't that and self-improvement motivation enough? |
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| freetgy April 20 2012 03:25. Posts 1632 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 03:10 Tyree wrote:
I am 27, my life is stressful enough as it is. When i come home, when i put my track suit on and listen to some music, the last thing i want to do is get even more stressed by a videogame.
I also do not feel like i have something to prove, i dont measure myself by my achievements, trophies on PSN, or any online ranking league.
So the motivation to play SC2 is at 0%, ill play HotS for the single player and 100-200 online games just to see the units, but ill leave the pros to entertain me when i watch.
Diablo 3 is the oppossite, i dont wanna watch anyone play that, its something i can play in a relaxing manner, take my time and not have to worry about 10 cheese strats, 20 allins, BANSHEE KILLING MAH WORKAS! or anything.
so much this
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| ItsPondo April 20 2012 03:32. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| What i know from my own experiences is that starcraft 2 obviously takes a lot of time to get better at as you need to improve in everything , it ranges from build learning which takes ages to master there is also analysis of losses which people cant really be " bothered " to do as you need to put so many hours into starcraft 2 when people dont have much time so instead of winning they keep being slaughtered on the ladder. People prefer to watch streams from pros or casts as some prefer watching to playing which is a high percentage. |
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| IMoperator April 20 2012 03:35. Posts 1671 | Profile # |
| I still play, but a lot of my friends quit. They all aspired to be pros, and they thought that they could just play a few games a week and rank up. Once they figured out that you have to actually devote a shit ton of time in order to become good, they gave up and started playing more casual games again (LoL, Call of Duty, WoW etc.). Also, I think many people get up to leagues like diamond and masters and they finally think they're good players, but since they compare themselves to pros and realize how far away they are still to becoming progamers, it discourages them and they quit. |
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| QQKachoo United States. April 20 2012 03:41. Posts 102 | Profile Blog # |
| This has actually been my most active season. But I think the reason for the lack of 1v1 play is the fact that bnet2.0 is not very good. Also the manner that is on the ladder is really aweful. |
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| Plansix United States. April 20 2012 03:45. Posts 5890 | Profile Blog # |
On April 20 2012 03:23 monkybone wrote:
Wheres the love for the game? Isn't that and self-improvement motivation enough?
Well in my case, I can't justify the time. I am personally dealing with a death in my girlfriend's family and resolving the probate issues, caring for a house, working at a law firm, keeping up with friends and other hobbies I have beyond starcraft 2. Also there is watching all the professional SC2 out there.
I love the game, but I am also an adult and I can't justify playing 21-35 games a week (3-5 games a day) to keep my skills up. I love to improve, but the time is takes is hard to fit into my week.
P.S. The manner on the ladder is terrible as well. The whine is high and muting everyone means that I will never meet anyone cool playing SC2. Last edit: 2012-04-20 03:47:06 |
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| entrust Poland. April 20 2012 03:54. Posts 179 | Profile # |
I played 5000 games, was on top of master and stopped because the game is dull and boring. I was a protoss and the procedure was like this:
Defend your shit whole game until you build a deathball and win.
I just feel this game could be so much better and it's just the way it is. They just gonna provide some more deathball units in HotS, so I'm disappointed by it. Probably gonna buy it, but I just completely lost the passion for the game.
Still I watch some SC2, but much much less than I used to. |
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| MugenXBanksy United States. April 20 2012 04:05. Posts 385 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 03:41 QQKachoo wrote:
This has actually been my most active season. But I think the reason for the lack of 1v1 play is the fact that bnet2.0 is not very good. Also the manner that is on the ladder is really aweful.
didn't i beat you one ladder like a couple weeks ago you did some kind of wierd ultra ling infestor then on entomber valley and took hidden bases, I played protoss. I sadly haven't been wasting time on lol because friends and my affintity to bm kids in lol cause they are bad. makes my mechanincs soo bad D: |
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| EoGorz Canada. April 20 2012 05:21. Posts 9 | Profile # |
the fact pf the matter is people are not enjoying sc2. If you enj oy the game you will play it. If you work on your skills they will improve. I started in bronze learned to get better, and was silver by the next season. Kept practising and made gold a week later. Felt like i wasnt getting anywhere because i was losing so much, went back and practised more not caring about rank, and boom plat this season. Lost 8 in a row, found some guys to practise with and boom 16-4 number2 plat.
point is if you actually enjoy the game you will learn to get better. That itself is rewarding enough to ladder |
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| Ktk Korea (South). April 20 2012 05:30. Posts 708 | Profile Blog # |
On April 20 2012 03:54 entrust wrote:
I played 5000 games, was on top of master and stopped because the game is dull and boring. I was a protoss and the procedure was like this:
Defend your shit whole game until you build a deathball and win.
I just feel this game could be so much better and it's just the way it is. They just gonna provide some more deathball units in HotS, so I'm disappointed by it. Probably gonna buy it, but I just completely lost the passion for the game.
Still I watch some SC2, but much much less than I used to.
Maybe a race change if you're bored of Protoss?
People are realizing that grinding RTS isn't for them, there's nothing you can really do about that.
Strategies that are kinda one-dimensional don't really help either. :[
But we might see numbers tick up during the summer since a lot of people who play SC2 are in HS/college. |
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 xrapture United States. April 20 2012 05:31. Posts 1643 | Profile Blog # |
None of my friends stuck to playing SC2 because it took too long and it was too hard to become decent at the game.
Can't blame them for moving on to other games like LoL; this is a video game afterall and meant for entertainment. SC2 caters more to the "tryhard" community than the ones that just want to have fun.
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| Penecks United States. April 20 2012 06:17. Posts 565 | Profile # |
Some people mentioned MMOs a while back, I actually see many qualities of them in SC2, not at the pro level mind you, but at the top of the "casual" level, mid-high masters players.
How many times have you ended a game, thought, "hm that was a pretty cheesy strat he used, I wonder if he's done it before". Check opponents match history: he plays 25 games a day using the exact same strat (one he does regardless of opponents reaction). I mean that's just... not impressive at all, its basically like someone getting to max level in wow by killing NPCs over and over, the game below the pro level is almost like trying to follow a damn shopping list, and whoever fucks up first, will probably lose. |
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| noD April 20 2012 06:44. Posts 2122 | Profile Blog # |
1v1 in solitude is not fun
they should do matchmaking make leagues invisible and just show the mmr (if ur from range z to y u are grandmaster but whatever) else no one that isnt pro will play anymore....
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On April 20 2012 03:10 Tyree wrote:
I am 27, my life is stressful enough as it is. When i come home, when i put my track suit on and listen to some music, the last thing i want to do is get even more stressed by a videogame.
I also do not feel like i have something to prove, i dont measure myself by my achievements, trophies on PSN, or any online ranking league.
So the motivation to play SC2 is at 0%, ill play HotS for the single player and 100-200 online games just to see the units, but ill leave the pros to entertain me when i watch.
Diablo 3 is the oppossite, i dont wanna watch anyone play that, its something i can play in a relaxing manner, take my time and not have to worry about 10 cheese strats, 20 allins, BANSHEE KILLING MAH WORKAS! or anything.
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| DarenZou United States. April 20 2012 06:56. Posts 2 | Profile # |
| How much of the decrease in players are players who are fairly inactive to begin with? That is harder to determine but I imagine a big part of it. |
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| mantequilla June 20 2012 12:12. Posts 55 | Profile # |
Because of early game's being too "strategic" and build orders being too rock-paper-scissors. Before starting starcraft, me and my friends used to play Age of Mythology a lot. It's not a game as professional as starcraft but it's a rts. We didn't join serious tournaments but we were pretty good players. The reason to start starcraft is it's being the most quality rts around. Problem with starcraft is that players getting the game too seriously. You watch a tournament and start meddling around build orders even you are in silver league. Then, game starts to be more of a "job" rather than being fun, because everyone can learn a "2 stalker rush" from teamliquid wiki and execute it in a match (rather sloppily). To beat him, you have to scout and you have to know he's doing 2 stalker rush and you have to know what build order counters it. This is too much "strategy" for a casual player and you start to play custom games, where you feel more free to play as you like, but it's not because you either play against a way much skilled player than you that you can't do anything, or you play against a very new player and it doesn't matter how you play at all.
Believe it or not, even starcraft is considered a very professional game, the people that consists most of the community are casual players and I believe the game must be more friendly with them. Here is the suggestions to do it: Build orders should not counter each other too harshly. Sure you should be able to gain an advantage with a correct build order but it shouldn't make you win outright. Game should be more about general strategy and skill rather than build orders. Like faking an attack from one side and attacking from another, or drawing attention somewhere and making a drop. And all of the cheesy builds are way easier to execute than to defend. In most of casual rts games, you should be more skilful than your opponent to catch him by surprise. Starcraft is more about knowing build orders and crisp execution rather than creativity.Last edit: 2012-06-20 12:26:48 |
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| papaz Sweden. June 20 2012 15:13. Posts 3758 | Profile # |
On April 20 2012 03:10 Tyree wrote:
I am 27, my life is stressful enough as it is. When i come home, when i put my track suit on and listen to some music, the last thing i want to do is get even more stressed by a videogame.
I also do not feel like i have something to prove, i dont measure myself by my achievements, trophies on PSN, or any online ranking league.
So the motivation to play SC2 is at 0%, ill play HotS for the single player and 100-200 online games just to see the units, but ill leave the pros to entertain me when i watch.
Diablo 3 is the oppossite, i dont wanna watch anyone play that, its something i can play in a relaxing manner, take my time and not have to worry about 10 cheese strats, 20 allins, BANSHEE KILLING MAH WORKAS! or anything.
I agree with this, I'm in the same position in life.
I also play Diablo 3 becaue it is a lot more relaxing.
However if you are competitive you want to play something where improvement matters. And that's what SC2 is to me.
In Diablo 3, I have a sandwich in my hand and just mindlessly clicking. Is it fun, hell yeah. But it gets boring quite fast because of the mindless nature of the game or the whole genre.
I always get a itch for hitting the "find match" button on SC2 ladder where I need to focus and do my best  Last edit: 2012-06-20 15:13:50 |
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| Rainbow Cuddles United States. June 20 2012 17:42. Posts 334 | Profile Blog # |
On April 20 2012 03:10 Tyree wrote:
I am 27, my life is stressful enough as it is. When i come home, when i put my track suit on and listen to some music, the last thing i want to do is get even more stressed by a videogame.
I also do not feel like i have something to prove, i dont measure myself by my achievements, trophies on PSN, or any online ranking league.
So the motivation to play SC2 is at 0%, ill play HotS for the single player and 100-200 online games just to see the units, but ill leave the pros to entertain me when i watch.
Diablo 3 is the oppossite, i dont wanna watch anyone play that, its something i can play in a relaxing manner, take my time and not have to worry about 10 cheese strats, 20 allins, BANSHEE KILLING MAH WORKAS! or anything.
This problem is magnified 10 fold in Master's League. ~_~
I've 'quit' Starcraft nearly 3 times now because of this problem. Sadly, it keeps drawing me back because no other game is nearly as competitive right now.
Hopefully Planetside 2 will add some spice to the mix, but I doubt it. |
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