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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 10:45. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
| Lastly I just want to say my vote wouldn't have changed despite the convincing desperation. I thought Gladus was scum, not dim, still do and I'm going to go in depth about it soon if you'd just give me a bit of time to finish. |
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| zelblade Singapore. February 19 2012 10:46. Posts 872 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 10:43 gumshoe wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:24 zelblade wrote:
On February 19 2012 10:14 gumshoe wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:48 zelblade wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:38 gumshoe wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:27 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 19 2012 08:19 gumshoe wrote:
I have an aching feeling that Ech will flip green if we kill him ) : that opening move of his was almost as bad as mine and hes supposed to be good, I cant imagine him being coached by other mafia through all this. I hate it but its gonna have to be a no lynch unless gladeus says he eats babies or something. Maybe we can vote for one of the lurkers? Manner/michael? Zell?
1. i'm not good. why suggest this so openly. this is my 4th game playing. 2. as mattchew said, this could be a scumslip; he knows I would flip green and is planting this. After my aggressive opening towards gumshoe I dont know why he would support me as such. Thoughts?
It was between you and gladeus, and I wanted to vote for gladeus as I suspected him from earlier, also in case you didint notice everyone attacked me at the start in some way, In fact I'm more suspicious of the people of the people who supported me but more on that later. Oh by the way thanks for this "i'm not good" I remember someone said they expected more out of you or something... As if they were making you out to be a better player than you were, it worked cause come lynch time I got the sense that you were a bit more of an experienced player, that person I recall reprimanded you and praised you at the same time. Still trying to figure out why.
Why are you suspisious of people who supported you? Why were you not around during the final minutes leading up to the lynch. jaj's reasoning that you might have woke up, voted, than gone back to sleep is obviously not what happened as you are here now. Give me a good reason for your disappearance. Your vote was important and we narrowly got a no-lynch. Why suddenly disappear after being so active in the thread?
just an update, Ive been pretty inactive because I realized the only thing ive proven through my posts is that I'm inept, I haven't built a strong case on anyone, so I let other people talk while I researched, now I almost have two cases, in about 30 minutes I'm gonna present my findings. Moving onto the vote,I voted for gladeus because I felt he was mafia, I changed my stance on dim a while ago when I got the sense that he was just bandwagoning me , he didn't post any reasons just said I was suspicious , he seemed kinda out of synch with everything and didn't really get a chance to have a back and forth with his accusers, I saw no reason to vote for him when i felt gladeus was the better pick, I stuck with who I suspected. As to why I'm more suspicious of people who support me? I cant say yet, itll just sound like wifom without a case, I need you all to be a bit patient on that front. like I said thirty minutes.
You are missing the point here. My point here is that in the last 20 minutes or so before the lynch, it was clear that MG wasnt going to be lynched. We needed your vote on Dimmu, and we narrowly missed a no-lynch. Why werent you around the last few minutes before the deadline, when you were clearly online? I'll be looking forward to your case.
Theres an hour in between my posts, it was 8ish when I rushed my vote, I didn't vote to establish a majority I voted for the person I found suspicious, I left to go eat. Also I've been awake all day pretty much, I just haven't posted. I voted at 8ish left to go eat dinner with my family, came back and read the results. Also are you actually mad at me for not voting for a townie? Or do you think I wanted to look as if I was right about not voting for the townie ?
Simply wanted to clarify for why you were missing during the lynch. I dont think that you wanted to look as if you were right about not voting a townie, but am simply curious as to why you were gone and just wanted to pressure you to see your reaction. |
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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 10:52. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
On February 19 2012 10:46 zelblade wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:43 gumshoe wrote:
On February 19 2012 10:24 zelblade wrote:
On February 19 2012 10:14 gumshoe wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:48 zelblade wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:38 gumshoe wrote:
On February 19 2012 09:27 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 19 2012 08:19 gumshoe wrote:
I have an aching feeling that Ech will flip green if we kill him ) : that opening move of his was almost as bad as mine and hes supposed to be good, I cant imagine him being coached by other mafia through all this. I hate it but its gonna have to be a no lynch unless gladeus says he eats babies or something. Maybe we can vote for one of the lurkers? Manner/michael? Zell?
1. i'm not good. why suggest this so openly. this is my 4th game playing. 2. as mattchew said, this could be a scumslip; he knows I would flip green and is planting this. After my aggressive opening towards gumshoe I dont know why he would support me as such. Thoughts?
It was between you and gladeus, and I wanted to vote for gladeus as I suspected him from earlier, also in case you didint notice everyone attacked me at the start in some way, In fact I'm more suspicious of the people of the people who supported me but more on that later. Oh by the way thanks for this "i'm not good" I remember someone said they expected more out of you or something... As if they were making you out to be a better player than you were, it worked cause come lynch time I got the sense that you were a bit more of an experienced player, that person I recall reprimanded you and praised you at the same time. Still trying to figure out why.
Why are you suspisious of people who supported you? Why were you not around during the final minutes leading up to the lynch. jaj's reasoning that you might have woke up, voted, than gone back to sleep is obviously not what happened as you are here now. Give me a good reason for your disappearance. Your vote was important and we narrowly got a no-lynch. Why suddenly disappear after being so active in the thread?
just an update, Ive been pretty inactive because I realized the only thing ive proven through my posts is that I'm inept, I haven't built a strong case on anyone, so I let other people talk while I researched, now I almost have two cases, in about 30 minutes I'm gonna present my findings. Moving onto the vote,I voted for gladeus because I felt he was mafia, I changed my stance on dim a while ago when I got the sense that he was just bandwagoning me , he didn't post any reasons just said I was suspicious , he seemed kinda out of synch with everything and didn't really get a chance to have a back and forth with his accusers, I saw no reason to vote for him when i felt gladeus was the better pick, I stuck with who I suspected. As to why I'm more suspicious of people who support me? I cant say yet, itll just sound like wifom without a case, I need you all to be a bit patient on that front. like I said thirty minutes.
You are missing the point here. My point here is that in the last 20 minutes or so before the lynch, it was clear that MG wasnt going to be lynched. We needed your vote on Dimmu, and we narrowly missed a no-lynch. Why werent you around the last few minutes before the deadline, when you were clearly online? I'll be looking forward to your case.
Theres an hour in between my posts, it was 8ish when I rushed my vote, I didn't vote to establish a majority I voted for the person I found suspicious, I left to go eat. Also I've been awake all day pretty much, I just haven't posted. I voted at 8ish left to go eat dinner with my family, came back and read the results. Also are you actually mad at me for not voting for a townie? Or do you think I wanted to look as if I was right about not voting for the townie ?
Simply wanted to clarify for why you were missing during the lynch. I dont think that you wanted to look as if you were right about not voting a townie, but am simply curious as to why you were gone and just wanted to pressure you to see your reaction.
you have it, any other questions?
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| zelblade Singapore. February 19 2012 10:55. Posts 872 | Profile # |
| I would like to know about your reads, but you have stated that you are gonna post them so im waiting on it. |
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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 11:00. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
| As I said i'll take a bit of time, so ask me a few specific reads if your impatient. I'll answer as effectively as I can. |
| | the password for my swiss bank account is the same as the answer to this riddle " What have I got in my pocket?" |
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| Alderan United States. February 19 2012 11:25. Posts 463 | Profile # |
Damn.
I stand by my play though, I think the reads were pretty clearly scum.
Reminder: When you are being accused, STAY ACTIVE, the more you give us the more we can find out about you. If you are town and you stay active generally this will be identified.
I think everyone needs to focus on the hour running up to the vote. There was a lot of action and activity that probably didn't get %100 attention. I'm to check out the voting records, specifically the correlation between who came off of MG and ET and on what basis.
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| TKHawkins United States. February 19 2012 11:27. Posts 102 | Profile # |
Alright, having reread some stuff after the flip,
Alderan was the first to put up a case for DDimmuKlok and stuck on him.
On February 19 2012 07:34 Alderan wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote:
Dimmuklok responded adequately to Alderan's post, which was similar to mine. DYH and sloosh need more info as far as I'm concerned, so that only leaves:
Can someone please explain this sentiment? Am I missing something? To my case he responded:"I'm new, I'm new, I don't understand your case, I'm new." His play after my case:"I'm still on my gumshoe wagon, I don't know what to think about Midnight, I don't know what I think about Hawkin and Manner, and I'm too tired to give an opinion on Steveling" If someone can please point me to the direction of pro town play I would greatly appreciate it.
And he is another player posting his inability to read Midnight and some weak calls.
Janaan was willing to switch to Ech from Dimmu to try to guarantee a lynch even though he said he didn't think Ech was scum.
On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote:
At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake.
##Unvote: DimmuKlok
##Vote: EchelonTee
But then he switches back to Dimmu and gets the bandwagon going on Dimmu started again. The reason he voted for Ech was because he didn't want a nolynch day one. Then he changes his mind and votes for a target he thinks will cause a nolynch.
On February 19 2012 07:08 Janaan wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote:
At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake.
##Unvote: DimmuKlok
##Vote: EchelonTee
Lynching your strongest scum read is good; however, your strongest scum read was dimmuklok (according to thread, if i'm not mistaken), not myself. You shouldn't force a lynch on someone that you think is an aggressive townie. sloosh already said this. I have no idea why sloosh would soft defend me. ...DYH you really think he's scum?
Yeah, I think after thinking about it for a bit longer, I really don't get scummy feelings from you at all, and I haven't since the game began. As SlOosh reminded me, lynching people you don't think mafia is not a good idea. Now I just need to decide who to actually vote for... ##Unvote: EchelonTee
On February 19 2012 08:18 Janaan wrote:
It seems that I'm the only one not voting atm. It really looks like unless something very drastic happens, we're gonna end up with a no-lynch. Of the cases presented, probably the one that made me think most was SlOosh's case against DoYouHas, but I'm still not ready to vote for him.
As for the case against MidnightGladius, I understand where Echelon is coming from, but I have slightly different opinions on Midnight.
I think I have to stick with my original read at this time, as much as I don't really want a no-lynch Day 1.
##Vote: DimmuKlok
He's willing to vote for somebody he doesn't think is town to guarantee a lynch, but then vote for somebody he thinks is scum to force a nolynch because it was his original read. Not only that, the reason he gave for changing his vote "I don't get a scummy feeling from you at all" is bogus. Janaan didn't have scummy feelings from Ech when voted for him. He already balanced the we need info vs. I don't want to lynch people I think are town in his head.
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| DimmuKlok United States. February 19 2012 11:28. Posts 194 | Profile # |
| Gg guys. My only regret is not being able to defend myself better. Good luck. |
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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 11:39. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
On February 19 2012 11:25 Alderan wrote:
Damn.
I stand by my play though, I think the reads were pretty clearly scum.
Reminder: When you are being accused, STAY ACTIVE, the more you give us the more we can find out about you. If you are town and you stay active generally this will be identified.
I think everyone needs to focus on the hour running up to the vote. There was a lot of action and activity that probably didn't get %100 attention. I'm to check out the voting records, specifically the correlation between who came off of MG and ET and on what basis.
Alderaan while your here what do you think of ASK? |
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| jaj22 United Kingdom. February 19 2012 11:39. Posts 1373 | Profile # |
Gah, just realised why that lynch was dumb, which is silly because I figured it last night. Before the last rush, the distribution of the votes and the active player count meant that it was essentially impossible to lynch scum. The correct choice was to no-lynch.
Off to flagellate myself and then sleep. We do the 20-hour dummy voting run on day 2.
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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 11:42. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # | |
| | the password for my swiss bank account is the same as the answer to this riddle " What have I got in my pocket?" |
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| Janaan United States. February 19 2012 12:05. Posts 323 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 11:27 TKHawkins wrote:Alright, having reread some stuff after the flip, Alderan was the first to put up a case for DDimmuKlok and stuck on him.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:34 Alderan wrote:
On February 19 2012 07:24 EchelonTee wrote:
Dimmuklok responded adequately to Alderan's post, which was similar to mine. DYH and sloosh need more info as far as I'm concerned, so that only leaves:
Can someone please explain this sentiment? Am I missing something? To my case he responded:"I'm new, I'm new, I don't understand your case, I'm new." His play after my case:"I'm still on my gumshoe wagon, I don't know what to think about Midnight, I don't know what I think about Hawkin and Manner, and I'm too tired to give an opinion on Steveling" If someone can please point me to the direction of pro town play I would greatly appreciate it.
And he is another player posting his inability to read Midnight and some weak calls. Janaan was willing to switch to Ech from Dimmu to try to guarantee a lynch even though he said he didn't think Ech was scum.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote:
At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake.
##Unvote: DimmuKlok
##Vote: EchelonTee
But then he switches back to Dimmu and gets the bandwagon going on Dimmu started again. The reason he voted for Ech was because he didn't want a nolynch day one. Then he changes his mind and votes for a target he thinks will cause a nolynch.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 07:08 Janaan wrote:
On February 19 2012 07:01 EchelonTee wrote:
On February 19 2012 06:27 Janaan wrote:
At this point, it's looking like the lynch will be either Echelon or a no-lynch. I am still undecided as to which I prefer. On the one hand, I'm not really getting a scum read from Echelon, just a aggressive townie. On the other, we need information. I am usually in favor of lynching, since it provides information that is unavailable any other way. If there's a no lynch, the voting record is almost entirely useless for the day. For now, I'll vote. I just hope that it's not a huge mistake.
##Unvote: DimmuKlok
##Vote: EchelonTee
Lynching your strongest scum read is good; however, your strongest scum read was dimmuklok (according to thread, if i'm not mistaken), not myself. You shouldn't force a lynch on someone that you think is an aggressive townie. sloosh already said this. I have no idea why sloosh would soft defend me. ...DYH you really think he's scum?
Yeah, I think after thinking about it for a bit longer, I really don't get scummy feelings from you at all, and I haven't since the game began. As SlOosh reminded me, lynching people you don't think mafia is not a good idea. Now I just need to decide who to actually vote for... ##Unvote: EchelonTee
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:18 Janaan wrote:
It seems that I'm the only one not voting atm. It really looks like unless something very drastic happens, we're gonna end up with a no-lynch. Of the cases presented, probably the one that made me think most was SlOosh's case against DoYouHas, but I'm still not ready to vote for him.
As for the case against MidnightGladius, I understand where Echelon is coming from, but I have slightly different opinions on Midnight.
I think I have to stick with my original read at this time, as much as I don't really want a no-lynch Day 1.
##Vote: DimmuKlok
He's willing to vote for somebody he doesn't think is town to guarantee a lynch, but then vote for somebody he thinks is scum to force a nolynch because it was his original read. Not only that, the reason he gave for changing his vote "I don't get a scummy feeling from you at all" is bogus. Janaan didn't have scummy feelings from Ech when voted for him. He already balanced the we need info vs. I don't want to lynch people I think are town in his head. FOS Janaan
I'm not surprised that I got called out on that, honestly. Let me walk you through my train of thought as best as I can.
Orgininally, I had voted on DimmuKlok. He was what I thought at the time to be a decent scum read.
When I first looked at the thread today, I noticed that there were only two people with any decent number of votes on them: Mignight with 4 I think, and Echelon with 5. Reading through what everyone was saying, it seemed like no one voting for one would be likely to switch to the other, and we were hurtleing toward a no-vote. I have always gotten the impression from reading guides and previous games that a no-lynch was almost never good for the town. It seems, judging from other players' reactions as we neared the vote deadline, that I'm not the only one who was thinking this. At this point, I made a fairly quick, impulsive decision that to try to guarantee a lynch I'd have to switch to the one with the most votes, so I voted Echelon.
Now, as you pointed out, I didn't actually think Echelon was scum. When SlOosh posted, asking me to read his post, and warning me against voting to lynch someone that I had a town read on, it kinda made me think a little harder about my vote than I did previously. I probably should have thought the vote through 100% previously, but I didn't. I read through the cases against Echelon. I read Echelon's filter. I read Echelon's responses to the accusations after he posted them. The conclusion I came to was that I didn't want Echelon to get lynched, so I unvoted, and began seriously looking at the other possible lynch targets.
At the point when I unvoted Echelon, the only player with a decent number of votes was Midnight. Again, I read the cases against him specifically, and the cases against others (DoYouHas's case of SlOosh, SlOosh's case of DoYouHas, etc) and I didn't really find any of them more compelling than my own original read on DimmuKlok. So, since I had to vote, DimmuKlok it was.
I honestly didn't expect this to end with a lynch. Now, you ask, why was I ok with this? Because, after going over the posts in my head, I decided that I'd rather have a no-lynch than lynch someone that I really didn't think would flip red. Do you disagree with this? If you were in my position, would you really have let someone that you really thought wasn' scum get lynched?
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| Alderan United States. February 19 2012 12:08. Posts 463 | Profile # |
Without going through an entire filter, the notes I have taken lead me to this:
He came out of the gates getting in a multi page argument with Sloosh, later to be dropped because he felt that Sloosh was not actually scum, only to end up hardline voting on Sloosh even when the town was in danger of not getting a lynch.
Any analysis about that vote though is going to WIFOM, so I say this his play been suspicious but not enough to lynch yet, I'm glad it didn't happen today. I think we definitely should take a closer look though. |
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| trackd00r Chile. February 19 2012 12:21. Posts 283 | Profile Blog # |
I just got home. I barely made it to be in time of the lynch before I went out.
Dimmu could have been played better though.
I'm going to bed now. Tomorrow I'll post my thoughts. I too tired now. I did a bit of reading though.
Sorry If I appear lurkish to you. I'll do my best. See you in some hours. |
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| EchelonTee United States. February 19 2012 12:29. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
On February 19 2012 10:07 MidnightGladius wrote:You're missing the point again. That argument (should've pushed harder if truly convicted) is weak coming from either of us, as neither of us actually did it. It's the pot calling the kettle black 
I know, that's why I said it was weird.
On February 19 2012 08:13 MidnightGladius wrote:
EchelonTee:
1. My first post in NMM3 responded to other posts because other people had posted. In this game, I was the second poster, concurrent with DYH. Your allegation is baseless.
2. Our posting styles are different. You dislike mine, and I dislike yours. Fine. What specifically have I not contributed to? What topics have I failed to address? What questions have I failed to answer?
3. I was referring to FP's terrible use of statistics (saying that 30% chance on a random lynch was good), not the fact that he was green. Anyone trying to use bad reasoning is anti-town in my eyes.
4. jaj22 has no valid case on me. If he did, he would be presenting one. I don't see it. Do you? Don't push him into taking shots at me that he clearly isn't willing to take.
5. gumshoe and I had been the only ones going back and forth for quite some time. He asked me some questions, I answered them, and suggested that we both back off for a bit to cool down and sleep on our thoughts. I happen to think that my reasoning is good, and you still haven't convinced me otherwise. If you think that I'm completely and utterly scummy, then you really need to take a step back and fully re-evaluate the claims that you're making and the evidence from which you're making them.
1. You could have said more, still. Perhaps you hadn't seen DYH's post yet, but still, considering how meaty your post was the other game, this one looks strange in comparison. In your previous game, there were only really 2-3 substantive posts to yours, so the difference is not solely because of that.
2. I don't dislike your play; I respect your play tbh. I just think you're being scummy this game. Our posting styles are not substantially different. We post fairly long at times, shorter when having direct conversation. What I don't like is that you are honing in on people that I, and others, have noted to be noobier players who are not inherently scummy. There have been a lot of other people posting in the thread that you could easily be suspicious of, but you pick the reads that take the least work. You haven't generated NEW content, which is why I say you are not contributing. I really don't like that you're trying to define this as myself simply disliking your posting style. You're avoiding the fact that you haven't really been contributing.
3. People trying to use bad reasoning is anti town, yes. However, you used this as justification to vote gumshoe. The fact that FakePromise was green is damning for you; I know that you didn't use the fact that FP was green, I am the one who is using that. If you know that nooby and anti-town=/=scum, you shouldn't have voted gumshoe. I don't see how you can deny this. The facts are laid out. This is not at all a loose point, as you claim my case is.
4. If jaj does not want to pursue you then w.e. His original case, I liked.
5. your back and forth only lasted for about 1-2 pages, 2-3 posts each. You really didn't go on and on about it that much, and haven't presented much reasoning other than "acting obviously anti-town". This is a newbie game, you realize. I don't expect all townies to be pro-town.
Can other people look at my #2 and #3 and honestly say that my case is baseless?
@gumshoe, I'd advise you slow down your posting and try to be more coherent; activity is good, but you're starting to fill up the thread unnecessarily with a LOT of randomness. Analytical posts by other people have been buried. Just post when you've consolidated your thoughts. |
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| gumshoe Canada. February 19 2012 12:37. Posts 784 | Profile Blog # |
On February 19 2012 12:29 EchelonTee wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 10:07 MidnightGladius wrote:You're missing the point again. That argument (should've pushed harder if truly convicted) is weak coming from either of us, as neither of us actually did it. It's the pot calling the kettle black
I know, that's why I said it was weird.
Show nested quote +On February 19 2012 08:13 MidnightGladius wrote:
EchelonTee:
1. My first post in NMM3 responded to other posts because other people had posted. In this game, I was the second poster, concurrent with DYH. Your allegation is baseless.
2. Our posting styles are different. You dislike mine, and I dislike yours. Fine. What specifically have I not contributed to? What topics have I failed to address? What questions have I failed to answer?
3. I was referring to FP's terrible use of statistics (saying that 30% chance on a random lynch was good), not the fact that he was green. Anyone trying to use bad reasoning is anti-town in my eyes.
4. jaj22 has no valid case on me. If he did, he would be presenting one. I don't see it. Do you? Don't push him into taking shots at me that he clearly isn't willing to take.
5. gumshoe and I had been the only ones going back and forth for quite some time. He asked me some questions, I answered them, and suggested that we both back off for a bit to cool down and sleep on our thoughts. I happen to think that my reasoning is good, and you still haven't convinced me otherwise. If you think that I'm completely and utterly scummy, then you really need to take a step back and fully re-evaluate the claims that you're making and the evidence from which you're making them.
You could have said more, still. Perhaps you hadn't seen DYH's post yet, but still, considering how meaty your post was the other game, this one looks strange in comparison. In your previous game, there were only really 2-3 substantive posts to yours, so the difference is not solely because of that. 2. I don't dislike your play; I respect your play tbh. I just think you're being scummy this game. Our posting styles are not substantially different. We post fairly long at times, shorter when having direct conversation. What I don't like is that you are honing in on people that I, and others, have noted to be noobier players who are not inherently scummy. There have been a lot of other people posting in the thread that you could easily be suspicious of, but you pick the reads that take the least work. You haven't generated NEW content, which is why I say you are not contributing. I really don't like that you're trying to define this as myself simply disliking your posting style. You're avoiding the fact that you haven't really been contributing. 3. People trying to use bad reasoning is anti town, yes. However, you used this as justification to vote gumshoe. The fact that FakePromise was green is damning for you; I know that you didn't use the fact that FP was green, I am the one who is using that. If you know that nooby and anti-town=/=scum, you shouldn't have voted gumshoe. I don't see how you can deny this. The facts are laid out. This is not at all a loose point, as you claim my case is. 4. If jaj does not want to pursue you then w.e. His original case, I liked. 5. your back and forth only lasted for about 1-2 pages, 2-3 posts each. You really didn't go on and on about it that much, and haven't presented much reasoning other than "acting obviously anti-town". This is a newbie game, you realize. I don't expect all townies to be pro-town. Can other people look at my #2 and #3 and honestly say that my case is baseless?@gumshoe, I'd advise you slow down your posting and try to be more coherent; activity is good, but you're starting to fill up the thread unnecessarily with a LOT of randomness. Analytical posts by other people have been buried. Just post when you've consolidated your thoughts.
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| Steveling Greece. February 19 2012 12:42. Posts 3100 | Profile Blog # |
Holy Moses just woke up and read the day post. Q_Q
GG Dimmu and gl next game, (.
Ok, I see that noone followed me on Gumshoe only to see that he went afk literally minutes before the deadline without changing vote. Yet I see that you guys still are
a)not convinced that he's scum
b)believe that although he plays anti-town you don't want him gone.
So I'm gonna drop my vote off of him as well. To avoid no majority situations like last day.
Expect some analysis during this night from me.
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| EchelonTee United States. February 19 2012 12:54. Posts 3403 | Profile # |
I've got midterms to study for, will not be in the thread for the rest of the night.
DYH/trackdoor please answer my questions when you have the chance. |
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| DoYouHas United States. February 19 2012 15:06. Posts 682 | Profile # |
Ok, I am home and I am caught up. Seems I have a lot to respond to.
Before I go back and get into a point by point defense I want to respond to a couple things. I was unwilling to vote for ANY of the 3 most likely candidates simply because we NEED to lynch someone. And as for switching to a lurker when a better case isn't available (which is what I first espoused), Mannerkiss has been replaced which most commonly happens to townies, so I was not going to vote him. TKHawkins was another lurker I was uncomfortable voting for, same as blae000 and Dimmuklok. So that took switching my vote to a lurker off the table. What does that leave me? To follow my own case and stick with it, even if it means a no-lynch. I was put in the position of either voting for people I thought were likely to flip town, or voting based on my own suspicions even if they didn't help the majority.
As for zelblade's repeated accusation that the line "Find the majority without me" is nonchalant and that I'm treating my vote as if I didn't care about it is crap. There is nothing nonchalant about that statement. I was being pointedly stubborn towards slOosh who was trying to get my to change my vote off him for the sake of the majority. I put my vote where my suspicions were, there is nothing clearer than that. |
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