| JimmyJRaynor Canada. February 15 2012 02:12. Posts 1641 | Profile Blog # |
Gold members get to see all "Pro Circuit" events.
Sundance states that the "Arena" is not part of the "Pro Circuit".
But, graphics like this are being cranked out since the announcement of the MLG Arena concept.
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As a result, Gold Members have their pitchforks out... with some justification.
As others have already stated this new revenue model appears ill conceived and rushed out the door at the last minute.Last edit: 2012-02-15 02:15:46 |
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| HardlyNever United States. February 15 2012 02:12. Posts 918 | Profile Blog # |
I have several issues with this, but I'm with some of the other people who can't/wouldn't watch the whole weekend. I usually try to catch my favorite players then the semi-finals and finals at these types of events. There is no way I'd pay $20 for that kind of viewing experience, and I can't really change my viewing experience without sacrificing something else. VODs would be ok, but that just isn't that same, and I doubt I'd go rewatch them (they would be spoiled anyhow).
I might do $10, but even that seems a little high, for what I would personally get out of it. $5 is about all I could personally justify spending.
I should also mention that I watch as much SC2 as I do because it is free. As soon as it becomes anything near an expensive "hobby" I'll move on to something else free or at least something where I feel like I get more for my money.
My 2c. |
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| Vasily17 Canada. February 15 2012 02:18. Posts 50 | Profile # |
| I like that MLG is doing a PPV how ever the fact that gold members do not get the content is silly. I can see why they did this as they are comparing it to the Gomtv and there AoL tournaments as depending on which package you get you may or may not get them. However MLG is not Gom and does not have the same level of competition as Gom does. Also with Assembly be at the same time this is a poor decision by MLG as many viewers will just jump ship. I think this concept would work if the price was lowered to $15 and Gold membership included it. |
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| Sirrush Netherlands. February 15 2012 02:20. Posts 88 | Profile # |
I'm crossposting this from a Reddit thread, don't think I need to provide extra context:
I really, really want to support MLG and the industry in general, but $20 for a weekend is too much, too soon. Factor into that that their target demographic is a generally poor audience AND that we can get much more content for less ($15 for a GSL season), it becomes hard to justify throwing them $20 when quite frankly I am always almost broke. Would I have paid $10? Absolutely, in a heartbeat, I can justify it as an impulse purchase! $20, however, is way way too much.
I guess part of this is that I've never seen PPV. I know it exists, but (as far as I'm aware) not in the Netherlands. Whenever I thought "PPV" I though "So like, $5-10 for an UFC event".
On the one hand I really hope that this works out for MLG, but I also hope that they can look at their current pricing structure and realize that their key demographic (generally) doesn't have a lot of money.
And like OP said, telling us about the Winter Arena being PPV not even 2 weeks before the event starts feels like a bit of a kick in the balls. I was genuinely looking forward to the event, but now I can't help but think "Well, guess I'll just look up the scores on TL." Had we known about it sooner (like for instance similar to GSL's ticket structure), I would've been able to take my time to look at the price and my budget to see if I could fit it in, like I did with GSL.
But at this point? Sorry MLG, assuming I can still pay $10 for 3 months of Silver (and thus a MLG championship), that's all you will be getting from me. |
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| Tivu United States. February 15 2012 02:22. Posts 172 | Profile # | |
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| TUski United States. February 15 2012 02:25. Posts 1161 | Profile # |
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up. |
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| FeyFey Germany. February 15 2012 02:27. Posts 4957 | Profile # |
well i am just curious about the viewer numbers. In my experience alot that say i won't pay for it, do it anyway. So i am interested in how many mlg will get, 5k viewers or 15k. In any case a horror scenario for sponsors. But maybe mlg caught enough people in their net already, so they can life of these few viewers. Which would most likely turn all their events into ppv only.
Wonder how the second arena will fare, when everyone isn't shocked by the announcement anymore. |
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| Kyir United States. February 15 2012 02:29. Posts 192 | Profile # |
| Has it been announced if there will be ads or not? I would feel a lot more comfortable paying in the first place if I knew that it would secure me some peace of mind from those things. |
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| MattyClutch United States. February 15 2012 02:30. Posts 630 | Profile Blog # |
On February 14 2012 15:10 Bowzer wrote:
As a disgruntled gold member, I will be doing option C.
For me it isn't about the 20 dollars, I spent 20 dollars on supper tonight. It's the principle of how Sundance convinced us that buying gold memberships was helping pro players and e-sports, and that we'd see big things this year depending on the amount of gold subscribers they got.
This is more or less how I feel. I still feel that $20 is a bit too much compared to GSL/NASL, but the big thing for me is I have Gold and they still want $20 from me for a one off event?
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| Nizzy United States. February 15 2012 02:35. Posts 838 | Profile Blog # |
MLG was cool when it was silver pass = like 3 MLG's online.
Now its just lame. Haven't ordered a "PPV" since I watched the WWF's Royal Rumble when I was like 12.
Just fuck off with all this MLG ARENA BATTLE, ONLINE MLG CUPS, MLG QUALIFIERS, ETC and just go back to the old format of 6 MLG's a year. It was prestigious.
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| Probasaur United States. February 15 2012 02:36. Posts 461 | Profile # |
Because your free and membership views were doing so well last year you think you can push us around this year and be so bold to try and make us pay TWENTY DOLLARS FOR 3 DAYS?!?!? Have you lost your damn minds?? This is pure greed in its purest form. I see you want to be UFC successful. However this isn't UFC levels of popularity.
Our scene is no where near that form. We have so many alternatives and albeit MLG is a huge event I greatly look forward to, its not worth it for someone who makes 8bucks an hour to pay 3hrs worth of their hard work. Have you completely forgotten what your majority fanbase is? They're kids like me who are still working small jobs and paying to go to school. Who just cant afford it.
As I was reading it from the start when I saw you were gonna be making it a PPV I said to myself
"Well it better only be $5 or else this is a huge fail and a huge greedy move."
Then I saw the 20 and it was "Nope, no way. Never"
This is a sad day in esports. If this was a year from now and the scene had continued to exponentially grow as it did from 2010 to 2011. Then MAYBE this would work. But its not. And you need to hurry up and change this now. Make different packs.
Free for 240p... 5 dollars for 480p. 10 for 720p and 20 for HD. And VOD's should all be included, if you payed to watch it during stream you should be able to watch it forever.
Maybe not free for 240p... the whole point is to start making money, and I'm starting to agree with your sentiment. Last edit: 2012-02-15 02:50:44 |
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| neoghaleon55 United States. February 15 2012 02:39. Posts 6292 | Profile Blog # |
MLG has always rubbed me the wrong way when it comes to PR.
Starting from the time Sundance showed up at SotG to discuss extended series.
Basically it came down to...
...for every complaint about MLG, Sundance replied:
"Do you see any other successful North American leagues around? I don't think so! Deal with it!"
They are very headstrong about their beliefs and no amount of fan whining will stop them.
Which means the PPV is probably here to stay... |
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| RvB Netherlands. February 15 2012 02:39. Posts 1168 | Profile # |
On February 15 2012 02:25 TUski wrote:
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up.
Why dont you grow up yourself, i just dont think mlg is worth 20 bucks. Its at night, their stream always sucks for me and their are better alternatives that are cheaper (gsl). Plus the only thing that makes mlg worth it for me(the crowd) isn't even there this event.
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| DwD Sweden. February 15 2012 02:40. Posts 3472 | Profile # |
| For myself I find it hard to justify to pay for any event when there are so many games going on and free tournaments and even some in free HD. Just looking at the people who are streaming, top names! Why would I pay.. doesn't make any sense.. and paying 20$ like 6 times for all events? No thanks. |
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| Souljah United States. February 15 2012 02:48. Posts 416 | Profile Blog # |
| Interesting perspective.. you made some great points, and I can understand why you are not participating. Viewership is your bread and butter, and you have a responsibility to your sponsors to market their product as much as possible. |
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| Probasaur United States. February 15 2012 02:50. Posts 461 | Profile # |
On February 15 2012 02:39 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 15 2012 02:25 TUski wrote:
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up.
Why dont you grow up yourself, i just dont think mlg is worth 20 bucks. Its at night, their stream always sucks for me and their are better alternatives that are cheaper (gsl). Plus the only thing that makes mlg worth it for me(the crowd) isn't even there this event. No need to be such an ass because people dont agree with you
I didn't see him being an 'ass' in the least bit. He's annoyed as well he should be that people who supposedly "support" this community isn't willing to actually stand up and support it when the time comes.
10 dollars is reasonable. 20 is not. I'll pay 10, never 20.
If VODs aren't included with 10 I won't be buying it either. If you pay to watch something streamed you get it permanently. Also if its not HD I can't bring myself to spend money on it either so if you're thinking about doing some cop out MLG where 10 for low quality? Then forget it. |
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| viOLetFanClub Korea (South). February 15 2012 02:50. Posts 388 | Profile Blog # |
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| bovineblitz United States. February 15 2012 02:51. Posts 311 | Profile # |
On February 15 2012 02:25 TUski wrote:
Are you guys serious? There were just as many people who aren't willing to pay at all as there were who would shell out $10? If you honestly can't afford $10 for 20 hours of gameplay and content, you seriously need to take the metaphorical stick out of your ass and think about what you're conveying to MLG and other tournaments. You're not willing to pay a dime because you're entitled to free content 100% of the time? How many tournaments do you think will aim to please the fans as much as MLG has if you idiots aren't willing to pay at all for the content they provide? $10 is a solid, reasonable amount for a weekend of starcraft, not to mention the amazing production quality that MLG provides us every tournament. Look at how far they've come since Columbus last year, then think about where they can go with $10 per viewer for each event.
MLG is headed in the right direction. I hope you guys who think you're entitled to herp derp free content wake/grow up.
How many times are people going to repeat themselves.
The point is NOT that I don't have $20. It's just not. Please get that through your heads. |
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| red4ce United States. February 15 2012 02:52. Posts 7301 | Profile Blog # |
| I know the polls aren't scientific but with 15% of people in the MLG thread saying they'd pay $20 and 40% of the people in this thread saying they'd pay $10, simple math would indicate that MLG mispriced their product. |
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