| aZealot New Zealand. February 18 2012 06:12. Posts 1406 | Profile # |
I have a question about this. I thought BW was retconned - does this mean that Fenix is still alive?
Or were only some elements of BW retconned, and Fenix still died? |
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| DeepElemBlues United States. February 18 2012 06:34. Posts 3652 | Profile # |
| As far as we know Fenix is dead with a capital D, but for one I really hope that some Protoss swooped down and saved him after his goon popped and he's in a stasis chamber and will come back as an Immortal for LotV. |
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| Hulavuta United States. February 18 2012 07:03. Posts 1252 | Profile Blog # |
On February 18 2012 06:12 aZealot wrote:
I have a question about this. I thought BW was retconned - does this mean that Fenix is still alive?
Or were only some elements of BW retconned, and Fenix still died?
the only thing that was retconned were that the Overmind is now a good guy and Kerrigan actually IS mad at Mengsk and doesn't like being infested.
Either way, it's not just Fenix. Nobody even says "En Taro Adun" anymore (except the Immortals).
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| TheStonerer Canada. February 18 2012 07:30. Posts 213 | Profile # | |
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| Telenil France. February 18 2012 07:48. Posts 353 | Profile # |
About Fenix: I certainly hope he will never return. Tassadar not being dead would be the worst retcon if not for the good Overmind, and Fenix's death was at least as touching as Tassadar's. Dead people should stay dead, World of Warcraft resurrected dozens of characters that had died (litterally, I was at 25 when I stopped counting). If characters can't be killed, what's the point? Why should I care about Zeratul if the story says "he's a cool guy, dying wouldn't kill him"?
That's partly what was so memorable in Fenix's death. If a beloved character can die, you suddenly care a lot more about the fate of the others.
On February 18 2012 02:07 TheToast wrote:
frankly I think Chris Metzen is not a very good writer and has also gotten pretty lazy (like come on, the WC3 RoC plot was exactly the same as the SC1 plot).
I lost all faith in Blizzard to produce a good single player campaign long ago, TFT was just as bad/boring as SC2.
I totally disagree with that. There is no equivalent to the orcs or the blood elves in SC1, the terran worlds weren't crushed the way Lordaeron was, there was no "brave idealist that turns out to be a power-hungry jerk" in Warcraft 3. Even the alliance between Raynor's Raiders and the Protoss was secondary to the plot, whereas it was the culmination of Reign of Chaos.
You didn't have silly plot holes like "Tychus worked for Mengsk but was the one who piloted the superweapon in Media Blitz". And it didn't end with the hero carrying his naked girlfriend towards the sunset.
I could go on for a while.
You do have a good character that turns evil, a civil war between a former human/elf and bad guys to control the brainless race, with the former human eventually betraying her allies. But that doesn't make the plot "exactly the same".Last edit: 2012-02-18 07:50:25 |
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| Demonhunter04 February 18 2012 08:08. Posts 1471 | Profile # |
On February 18 2012 02:31 DreamChaser wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 02:04 ne4aJIb wrote:It was so sad when I had to kill Fenix in order to win the mission. My queen flew over and turned Fenix into broodlings. T_T Also I remember Raynor's words to Kerrigan, that he will revenge for killing Fenix. Apparently, as seen in WoL, he forgot about his vow... Maybe he will reappear as an Immortal in the Legacy of the Void? 
winner right here.
Lol I remember Fenix saying "You might find that I'm not an easy foe to defeat" or something like that and I checked his stats and he was 800/800 with 60 dmg attacks and at first I was like wow wth and then I just used spawn broodling to instakill him...yeah definitely not easy *rolleyes*. |
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| MHT Sweden. February 18 2012 08:58. Posts 993 | Profile # |
| Yeah Fenix was my favorite character but atleast they didnt make him appear as a fricking ghost like poor Tassadar. |
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| Tamburlaine Canada. February 18 2012 09:25. Posts 280 | Profile # |
On February 18 2012 05:30 GlintFox wrote:He died in broodwar bro. And once you die as a dragoon theres no coming back, same with a stalker and an immortal. Since you cannot "whoosh back to base like zealots, dt's, and high templars do". He's still the most badass and best protoss warrior though
Tassadar died in vanilla SC, yet his ghost is still mighty chipper. Stukov died in Brood War, yet they keep talking about bringing him back. Just because they have not established the mechanism by which he may return does not mean that he can not return. The will of a writer is far more powerful than any spawn broodling.
That said, dude didn't even get a mention in Wings. So yeah, he might be gone for good. |
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| Witten United States. February 18 2012 09:27. Posts 1168 | Profile # |
| I want to hear more about Fenix, and I want 1000x more Samir Duran. |
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| iamperfection United States. February 18 2012 09:44. Posts 4826 | Profile Blog # |
On February 18 2012 06:34 DeepElemBlues wrote:
As far as we know Fenix is dead with a capital D, but for one I really hope that some Protoss swooped down and saved him after his goon popped and he's in a stasis chamber and will come back as an Immortal for LotV.
I dont really hope for that once you die twice that should be it.
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| GlintFox United States. February 18 2012 09:55. Posts 272 | Profile Blog # |
On February 18 2012 05:54 Noocta wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 18 2012 05:30 GlintFox wrote:He died in broodwar bro. And once you die as a dragoon theres no coming back, same with a stalker and an immortal. Since you cannot "whoosh back to base like zealots, dt's, and high templars do". He's still the most badass and best protoss warrior though
There's no protoss soul in a Stalker. They're robots controled by the mind of a Dark Templar.
This is what it says on the wiki,
"While dragoons were piloted by crippled protoss, the stalker is controlled by the shadow-essence of a Dark Templar warrior fused into a metal body"
Doesnt that mean they sort of fuse their soul into the stalker? |
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 Garson Sweden. February 18 2012 14:51. Posts 186 | Profile # |
there was no "brave idealist that turns out to be a power-hungry jerk" .
Illidan Stormrage or Arthas Menethil anyone?
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| TeTrodoToxIn United States. February 18 2012 15:39. Posts 16 | Profile # |
Yeah him and Edmund Duke kind of are not mentioned...
Both were fairly important in the story-line. You think that Korhol would have a memorial statue or something to him at least. |
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| SnowSC2 United States. February 18 2012 17:08. Posts 675 | Profile Blog # |
| Anyone else remember how fucked up the end of BW was? |
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| Telenil France. February 18 2012 18:35. Posts 353 | Profile # |
On February 18 2012 14:51 Garson wrote:Illidan Stormrage or Arthas Menethil anyone?
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| FeyFey Germany. February 18 2012 18:43. Posts 4736 | Profile # |
well fenix can come back, just have to find out that his soul still works fine and you just have to go back to the planet and collect it, probably ghost tassadar will give the hint that he is needed to stop the void. and boom stalker fenix.
But fenix was just an edmund duke class character ... sidekick thats all. And its probably not a good idea to bring him up, if raynor is supposed to save sarah. So while i understand the love for him, he was just someone to chat with for the story line. But yeah making kerrigan a path to kill aldaris ... and later having to kill fenix too ... (hate the coward duke) sure was mean. Games where heroes can die are quiet refreshing though and in blizzard games no one is save. Not even Lothar ;_; (took me 12 tries to keep him alive till the end of the game and then he is dead anyway ;_; the old warcraft 1 hero) |
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| BreakfastBurrito United States. February 18 2012 18:58. Posts 669 | Profile # |
yeah I kinda hope he doesn't come back, dead people should stay dead, so his death means something. Seeing tassadar was already stupid as hell, sorry writers.
question though, is artanis still alive and flying around in his super scout? he was the newest praetor after all...?
what i miss about BW, is how much you accomplish in a campaign. The scope really was epic, I loved it in spite of the fact that the gameplay part of almost every mission was quite similar  (but challenging!)
Idk, WoL wasn't that great, hope HotS is better:l |
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| zeehar Korea (South). February 18 2012 19:11. Posts 2473 | Profile Blog # |
| because he died as a dragoon in broodwar? or what glintfox says |
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| zeehar Korea (South). February 18 2012 19:13. Posts 2473 | Profile Blog # |
On February 18 2012 06:12 aZealot wrote:
I have a question about this. I thought BW was retconned - does this mean that Fenix is still alive?
Or were only some elements of BW retconned, and Fenix still died?
fenix was killed by kerrigan's forces, no retcon |
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| HuggyBear Australia. February 18 2012 20:09. Posts 373 | Profile # |
Fenix is dead. The only reason he came back as a dragoon in the first place is they were able to recover his body from Antioch. Kerrigan killed him in Korhal.
Unless Mengsk has been hiding him in an underground fish tank for the past 10 years |
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