Indeed, but he not being even mentioned is the sad part here. It added to how much it makes it seem like many event from BW never happened.
Your spoiler makes sense. But that's not what people complain about. I'm not against Raynor feeling sorrow for Kerrigan, I'm not against the "love story", but a conflict between his love and his rage would be great to the story. And we see nothing of his rage. Then again, it kind of throws away a lot of interesting cliff hangers BW left us. Actually, the only cliff hanger that is respected is the Hybrid arc.
On June 15 2012 11:46 Warlock40 wrote: You know why Fenix wasn't even mentioned? Because the last time he was mentioned, it was when Raynor vowed to avenge his death by killing Kerrigan, in what was arguably the most powerful scene in all of SC1 / BW storyline. Now that SC2 completely retconned that vow for vengeance with a cheesy romance that never existed in the first game, you can't really talk about Fenix, because that would bring about awkward questions about how bad the SC2 storyline is.
There was definetely some romance there in BW dude... I recall raynor trying to hit on her on more than one ocassion
You guys do realize that there are still 2 expansions remaining for Starcraft 2... Last one is a protoss expansion... Maybe Fenix will be mentioned there
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I was hoping he would be infested for sc2. He would have the same "back claws" as kerrigan but he could channel a psi blade through each one. Also he'd be known as "king of blades" and there'd be some hardcore Fenix X Kerrigan going on.
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That should be HoTS main plot, none of this kerrigan bipolar terran/zerg bs.
Should be fenix getting infested, starting his own swarm, then smashing raynor with it for being such a bitch. He gets infested during a really high quality fenix X kerrigan cinematic. Guaranteed best selling blizz game so far if they do this.
Destiny United States. June 17 2012 21:57. Posts 234
I actually joked about this (and a few other retconns) with a friend a while ago.
SC:BW actually had a really amazing story. I liked the game quite a bit (ONE MIGHT EVEN CALL ME A LORE-FAG) and found the story to be incredibly entertaining. It was fairly deep with some semi-unconventional twists/turns, and pretty believable, too.
In SC2, we had an engine that finally allowed us to see a story with amazing interaction. Unfortunately, the SC2 story is FUCKING SHIT. It's just a cheesy romance/revenge flick with an incredibly predictable/boring plot.
"I LUB U KERRY I COM SAV U"
"OMG BUT JIM IM DA QUEN OF BLADESz"
"DONT WYR >insert deus ex machina here< NOW U HUMAN AGAYN"
"AHH EVRY1 GOT WAT DEY WANTED I LUB UUUU"
Ehh, just dumb, in my opinion. Was super excited to see how the storyline would pan out after SC:BW, but became super disappointed when it seemed like the plot took a complete backseat to everything else.
If anyone here doesn't understand what I'm talking about, in terms of actually caring about the plot, the best way to highlight the differences in the games is in seeing the Duran character from Brood War (Narud in SC2). In BW, Duran was highly enigmatic, and his betrayal was pretty shocking as well. Going through the bonus/secret mission where he was creating Protoss/Zerg hybrids was incredibly interesting/exciting as well. There was a big motivation for the player to push through the level in the hopes of advancing the plot to figure out what was going on.
In SC2, you find Narud, you're excited for a brief moment when you make the connection of who he is, but then he's never mentioned again in the game and nothing he does is of any relevance (as it has no direct impact on the focal point of the game: THE LUB STORY).
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Scorm United States. June 18 2012 00:15. Posts 104
On February 18 2012 02:07 TheToast wrote: SC2 story line is a mess of cliches, absurd retcons, and random crap that was stuffed in to pad out a weak plot. There are dozens of characters and side stories that have been completely forgotten or ignored, frankly I think Chris Metzen is not a very good writer and has also gotten pretty lazy (like come on, the WC3 RoC plot was exactly the same as the SC1 plot).
I lost all faith in Blizzard to produce a good single player campaign long ago, TFT was just as bad/boring as SC2. At least it didn't completely re-write accepted canon. (though RoC did add a bunch of random crap into the WC universe)
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Fenix died after being put in his dragoon suit.
"Khala's EndEdit "The Khala awaits me, Kerrigan. And although I am prepared to face my destiny, you'll not find me easy prey!"
- Fenix's epitaph(src)
On the UED-conquered world of Korhal (formerly the Dominion throne world), Fenix and Raynor struck at the UED's more outlying fortification, while Kerrigan's troops assaulted the main UED base at Augustgrad.[30]
While they defeated the Directorate and their enslaved zerg, Kerrigan and Samir Duran engineered a betrayal.[30][31] Fenix, who was not entirely surprised,[26] prepared to face her forces on the battlefield.[32] Fenix fell to the Swarm.[31]
Upon his death, Kerrigan mocked Raynor, saying that Fenix died the way all protoss hope to do: in combat.[33] Enraged, Raynor swore he would kill Kerrigan for this betrayal.[34] Praetor Artanis later led a protoss attack against Kerrigan, aimed partly at avenging Fenix.[35] The attack was unsuccessful, however.[36] "
Hah, and I thought literally no pro cared about the lore.
Destiny, you are our only hope. Lore-faggots have no voice with Blizzard anymore. We need a champion to use racial and homophobic slur against Blizzard story artists so they start to respect us. Do you accept to be that champion, Destiny?
Seriously though, then again, I'm not totally against a love story. It could have worked, and actually I think it worked in some places. It did gave Raynor some depth. So I don't think the love story itself "ruined" the game. Blizzard always used cliches with little interesting twists. What "ruined" the story (and by "ruined" I mean, it sucks for a Blizzard game, but is average for a video game) is that it had too many cliches, and none of them was delivered in an interesting way. As Destiny said, predictable.
Ironically, one of the few interesting things in WoL is Raynor's personality... he is supposed to be the "honest cop" (Metzen's words), but in the end, he doesn't care that much about saving the Universe. His priority to redeem himself and have Sarah back. That's actually a little obsessive and dark. That's why I think SC2 had the elements (inclusing the love story!) to be a great story, but somehow it is not. Too bad.
I think it would have made a great segue into Heart of the Swarm for the artifact to fail, for Raynor to die and for Kerrigan to infest that whole base up. Not a satisfying ending in terms of gameplay (you came that far and you lost?) but definitely satisfying in terms of plot.
Kerrigan does some sort of badass speech about how Jim's love blinded him to the truth, and strikes the killing blow on Jim.
Tychus flees and either goes with the Raiders or reports back to Mengsk, revealing his secret.
Matt reassembles what's left of the Raiders and goes home to rebuild his army, which he is now Commander of. He knows about the crystal but he's unsure of what to do with Kerrigan now.
Mengsk and Valerian prepare for war. More colonies fall to the Zerg, as the Dominion falls into a state of disarray. There are mutalisk raids on Korhal. None last for long - Korhal's defenses are strong, but they do damage, psychological as well. The Dominion knows it is losing. It doesn't know what to do. Its citizens are losing faith.
On the Protoss side, the Tal'Darim find the artifact, now in the hands of the Zerg. They set aside their differences with the Daelaam (although still cautious/hostile with the Terrans) in order to retrieve it.
Artanis is still sad over Fenix and Raynor, such grief causes him to go slightly insane. He is stronger now, more daring. His Phoenix, based on his old Scout, is upgraded with the best technology the Protoss can invent. And when the time comes for the offensive, he will lead the attack.
Zeratul is searching for answers. Raynor is dead, true, but Zeratul had composed himself before - when Tassadar died, when Aiur fell (which was his fault in some way). He wants revenge too, but he is patient and wise. When the Void decides it is time, he will re-enter the fray.
Back to Terran. The Dominion, overwhelmed by Zerg raids and the devouring of its colonies, drafts more and more citizens into the Dominion army. (This could be the excuse if any Terran units are nerfed) Technology is dwindling, they have to use anything they have left, old and new alike. The Raiders are providing assistance in exchange for supplies and equipment. They will have to work together, as they did four years ago, to bring Kerrigan down.
Kerrigan is slowly taking control of the entire Koprulu sector. Her missions revolve around that.
Blizzard where do I drop off my job application for the story team?
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KissBlade United States. June 20 2012 05:35. Posts 1857
fenix is going to be an infested protoss of some sort bent on killing kerrigan no matter whose side she is on.....(drama between raynor and infested fenix in HOTS or LOTV)
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fenix404 United States. June 22 2012 16:07. Posts 202
On June 23 2012 01:34 iNbluE wrote: Do we honestly still expect good story lines in blizzard games? Look at D3, SC2, TFT... Lame, as lame as it gets.
I liked TFT. Much better than RoC.
So, what games had "good story lines"? War2, SC, D 1 and 2? IMHO, War 2 isn't that good, it just doesn't screw up anywhere; D1 barely has a story line, it has story enough for a short story, but has awesome atmosphere; and I'm not sure about D2, but I never cared about its story line, then again, it is the feeling of the story that pleases me.
SC/BW is a classic.
(btw, I agree about SC2 and haven't ended D3 yet)
So, is Blizzard really a lore powerhouse? Or just an art/visual powerhouse?
I think they were kind of pioneers of actually having a lore for their games. Outstanding back in the 90's, but once the rest of the industry learned how to do that, they need to learn new tricks if they still want to be remembered as good story tellers.
Also, Sentinel's "version" has some of the grittiness the SC franchise has lost, but it is unoriginal. Maybe you disagree with me, but it just proves the point that it is hard to do a story that pleases everyone.
Anyone remember the MC/MKP cast at HSC? the game was viOlet vs HerO. HerO had a liddle army running around with just one zealot. MC was like "only one zealot! Maybe is Fenix! From Starcraft 1." MKPs response was "wat?" LOL <3 MC and Fenix
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Darknat United States. June 15 2012 14:25. Posts 122
