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| VisceraEyes United States. March 07 2012 02:42. Posts 9718 | Profile Blog # |
Also BC just claimed scum by calling Operator a blue role - I was almost convinced it was in scum hands, but BC has gone ahead and confirmed that it's in town hands.
We need to figure out which of laya/Tyrran is telling the truth. |
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| Jitsu United States. March 07 2012 03:45. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
Which do you think is more likely, VE?
I'd have to say LayAbout at this point. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. March 07 2012 03:52. Posts 9718 | Profile Blog # |
I mean, I may be biased because he's been after me all game, but I'm leaning Layabout as scum. The only thing that gives me pause is that he provided reasoning for the choices "he" made regarding why "he" put in contact who "he" did. Tyrran just made a counter-claim.
I don't know, what makes you think it's more likely laya? |
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| Jitsu United States. March 07 2012 04:07. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
Hmmmm, just had a thought.
Do you think it possible that scum has a power role that is able to detect who the Operator connected? Do you think might be feasible in anyway?
That would be the only way I think Tyrran would be able to acknowledge who was Mason'd. He was the first to come out with the two people that were "Mason'd" yesterday. Unless he has the ability to "Tap" into the QT and see who was Mason'd, I would think he is the actual Operator.
I think that's the reason LayAbout hasn't said anything since yesterday either. The jig is up. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. March 07 2012 04:44. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
Maybe they got something like a tracker? or a watcher, whatever is the role that makes you target someone and gives you a list of players that the target targeted 
My thoughts on layabout/Tyrran is that it's pretty obviously Laya imo. He was in a need to not vote me and this whole "Toad ruined this game and I will never join another game that Toad is playing as well" seems to be an excuse. At least I can't see how I ruined this game and people like Risk, RoL (who at least did that on purpose), prpl, BC, redFF and wbg are all perfectly fine. But maybe that's just me hoping because if it's really true what he said I'm sorry 
Also I find it more reasonable for someone like Laya to fakeclaim openly like that as mafia than for someone like Tyrran, especially given the AC game. I'm not saying that is something really concrete because obviousl mafia buddies could have told / forced him to do that but it's just a feeling.
VE remember our first game playing together as mafia and Jackal thought he might be able to get redFF raging so much that he'll be modkilled? It did not work but I somehow got the feeling wbg was trying the same thing in this game. I don't think BC did a lot to help but sure as hell he knew what kind of player redFF was and a townie BC would not have mentioned redFF like 5 more times d1 to bring up the redFF-is-retarded-topic back to discussion all the time when people (redFF) was cooling down again.. I'd say he did that on purpose as well, just not as much as wbg but he clearly did not help clearing the issue there. |
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| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 04:58. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also BC just claimed scum by calling Operator a blue role - I was almost convinced it was in scum hands, but BC has gone ahead and confirmed that it's in town hands.
You were convinced it was in scum hands? That would mean only another scum player could counterlciam the role, since a town player wouldn't counterclaim a scum role. Since this isn't what you indicated earlier, I'm not sure I follow. |
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| layabout United Kingdom. March 07 2012 05:11. Posts 1906 | Profile Blog # |
Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway.
On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol.
Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed.
[spoiler="avenger vig" is weak if and only if you are bonkers]Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch
I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me.
I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves.
Please think. |
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| layabout United Kingdom. March 07 2012 05:13. Posts 1906 | Profile Blog # |
EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers?
Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway. On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol. Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed. + Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] +Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch the proportion of mafia on that lynch is likely to be higher than the proportion of mafia in the game, this avenger vig role seems to be a vig-shot with aim assist. Furthermore, by reducing the number of people you can aim at, a player with that role would be more inclined to look at and carefully analyse each potential target whereas a normal vig may be less inclined to perform in-depth analysis on every player they can shoot (which is everyone) before taking their shot. Your claimed role basically forces you to make a good shot, particular if you are not a player that puts a huge amount of effective time and effort into deciding their actions. I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think.
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| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 06:25. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 05:11 layabout wrote:
Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway.
The problem is that for the time you were available, you have failed to contribute. Early on you repeatedly soft defend RoL, ignoring his inactivity and attacking players who find it suspicious.
When questioned about RoL vs Toad prior to the claim, you indicated that both were scum, yet favored lynching Toad over RoL. On night three, you claim to have masoned me with bugs, indicating that you thought I was town at least on some level. When I finally came around to roll claim publicly, you refused to move your vote, despite my green check. Earlier you had claimed that you thought both players were scum, but refused to vote for RoL over Toad.
On March 03 2012 06:00 layabout wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:56 kitaman27 wrote:
Do you plan to switch off toad, layabout?
Well he is scum, so no.
Just hours earlier, layabout admits he is undecided on both counts. Suddenly he has become so confident, that he has chosen to oppose a dt check, coming from a player he trusted enough to mason.
After the flip, he has no opinion of myself and no opinion of bugs. He pushes Tyrran, but only with a single post. Knowing that he has been counter-claimed and Tyrran would certainly be scum, he shows little interest in convincing town. In fact, once things have started going downhill for the scum team, he has completely dropped of in activity. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. March 07 2012 06:39. Posts 9718 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 04:58 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 02:42 VisceraEyes wrote:
Also BC just claimed scum by calling Operator a blue role - I was almost convinced it was in scum hands, but BC has gone ahead and confirmed that it's in town hands.
You were convinced it was in scum hands? That would mean only another scum player could counterlciam the role, since a town player wouldn't counterclaim a scum role. Since this isn't what you indicated earlier, I'm not sure I follow.
I was thinking actually that there might be two, one scum and one town, like the masons in L. But there haven't been enough masonings to account for that, so yeah it was dumb. I just can't reconcile Tyrran's counterclaim without reasoning for his picks when layabout had this huge text-wall about his whole plan thing. It seems backward, you know? Like, it should be layabout going "I'm operator, confirm me yo!" and Tyrran going "HA fucking bullshit because I had this plan and chose X and Y because Z" if Tyrran was the town one in this scenario. |
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| VisceraEyes United States. March 07 2012 06:40. Posts 9718 | Profile Blog # |
| But you're totally right about Laya - that whole strangeness with the Toad lynch is inexcusable, and shatters my whole viewpoint where the claims are concerned. |
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| Jitsu United States. March 07 2012 06:42. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
Hmmmm.
To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did?
If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. March 07 2012 06:46. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 05:13 layabout wrote:EBWOP: who knew that " " " messed up spoilers?
Show nested quote +Perhaps layabout is legitimately busy and does not wish to spend his reduced free time indulging in derp but cannot justify asking for a replacement so late into the game, when barely anybody is posting anyway. On a related note I am going to sleep very soon so i will not be around at the deadline. I will claim my action in about 24 hours when i get home after visiting Bristol. Toad, you are the only person in the game to make my eyes bleed. + Show Spoiler [avenger vig is weak if and only if you…] +Since an "avenger vig" has to shoot into a list of players on a mislynch and since 4/18 players are mafia, and + Show Spoiler +since there are typically 2-3 candidates with a chance of being lynched, after a townie is mislynched it is extremely likely that there will be 2-3 mafia/8 or so players on a lynch the proportion of mafia on that lynch is likely to be higher than the proportion of mafia in the game, this avenger vig role seems to be a vig-shot with aim assist. Furthermore, by reducing the number of people you can aim at, a player with that role would be more inclined to look at and carefully analyse each potential target whereas a normal vig may be less inclined to perform in-depth analysis on every player they can shoot (which is everyone) before taking their shot. Your claimed role basically forces you to make a good shot, particular if you are not a player that puts a huge amount of effective time and effort into deciding their actions. I have claimed my role and my actions. I had a plan and i executed it as best i could (despite it being blown to smithereens). I have explained my reasons behind my actions. I am not sure what more you want from me. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think. I think that there are things about my role-claim that you have not considered that it would be best for you to work out by yourselves. Please think.
well guess what. IF I were a normal vig RoL would have flipped mafia n2.
Since I am not I was not allowed to shoot him before n3 making it (thanks to our suicide bomber) the only time I was able to shoot him because if I decided not to shoot that night I could not have shot at all because it would have been lylo and I would have needed a townie lynch.
You may whine all you want about how this "helps" people to aim but fact is I wanted to shoot a mafia n2 and was not allowed to because I had to wait another night resulting in shooting him n3 instead. Yes imo it IS a weaker vig because of both, the possible target requirements and the requirements to shoot in the first place.
How can you not agree with that? If you think avenger is more noob friendly with downsides that's fine with me but that's not what I was talking about so please stop derailing. |
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| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 06:50. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 06:42 Jitsu wrote:
Hmmmm.
To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did?
If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that.
It was five minutes before the deadline. If RoL can move 1-2 town votes off himself and onto Layabout, then RoL switches back to toad at 4:59 and Toad gets lynched because town isn't voting together. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. March 07 2012 06:51. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 06:42 Jitsu wrote:
Hmmmm.
To build on that, VE, why would RoL vote for his scum member like he did?
If my scum teammate gets counterclaimed in thread, I wouldn't auto vote switch for my teammate if I was on the lynch pedestal. It doesn't make sense for him to do that.
he never intended to do that. It was something like 3 or 5 mins until deadline and he hoped that some idiot townie would think that a voteswitch to our new and confirmed mafia would be possible. Obviously that kind of thing is not possible when you only got 5 mins left which would have resultet in me being lynched because a townie who was supposed to vote RoL switched to the confirmed new guy = gg for mafia.
In that scenario the alignment of the confirmed guy doesn't matter at all because the whole point was to get a single vote off RoL making it a Toad Lynch instead. He can do that with both, townies who "scumslipped" or mafias who really scumslipped or got CC'ed. |
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| Jitsu United States. March 07 2012 06:57. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.
I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy? |
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| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 06:59. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.
I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy?
You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread.
Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight) |
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| Toadesstern Germany. March 07 2012 07:02. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.
I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy?
You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread. Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight)
Well if Laya SOMEHOW flips green we definitely need to think about lynching Tyrran 2nd.
I'm still not sure if we shouldn't just lynch BC first. |
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| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 07:05. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 07:02 Toadesstern wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 06:59 kitaman27 wrote:
On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.
I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy?
You're trying to make sense out of one of the most irrelevant events in the thread. Layabout -> BC -> Tyrran seems like a reasonable lynch order to me (assuming we have a mislynch to spare after tonight)
Well if Laya SOMEHOW flips green we definitely need to think about lynching Tyrran 2nd. I'm still not sure if we shouldn't just lynch BC first.
I'm saying if layabout flips red, Tyrran would be third. Obviously, Tyrran would be second in the unlikely event layabout is green. |
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| Toadesstern Germany. March 07 2012 07:05. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 06:57 Jitsu wrote:
I'm not disagreeing with the fact that if Derpface Townie switches votes, RoL forces a lynch on Toad.
I'm bringing up the fact that he picked LayAbout. Wouldn't it be pretty easy to just discredit Tyrran and vote for him and try to force townies to vote for a townie looking person then for a scum buddy?
the reason he picked Laya is because he needed townies to vote someone else and picking Laya is an easier process of thought:
Laya claims -> CC -> Laya has to be a mafia; seems pretty straight forward
Laya claims -> CC -> CC has to be a liar -> CC has to be mafia; That would have needed a lot of explanation.
Again, it was only 5 mins left until deadline, there was simply no time to explain something like that and he went with what looked the most easy. |
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