| syllogism Finland. February 22 2012 23:42. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
On February 22 2012 23:34 Jackal58 wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 21:59 syllogism wrote:
As I noted earlier, I do not think it's likely that the setup has a scum tracker but no town tracker. Therefore the town tracker can just counter claim him, but I doubt that's going to happen as it's more likely that he is our town tracker. These are assumptions, but reasonable and likely ones. Anyway, I don't think he is town because of his claim, but due to other aforementioned evidence and rationale.
What if there are 2 separate scum factions Syllo? Palmar states that multiple factions are a possibility in the OP. I am not convinced red is town. A townie redFF would never call me a good scum hunter. He has made a point of telling me and others how much I suck at this game in the past. I can't reconcile this-
Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 07:09 redFF wrote:what, jackal said he thought toad was scum, i think jackal is a good scumhunter, i have similar thoughts, i post why i think toad is scum, jackal says he never thought toad was scum, i call him a wily old fox.
- with a townie redFF.
OP says there are 4 mafia, so that's not a possibility |
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| syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 00:59. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
On February 22 2012 22:22 Toadesstern wrote:
ok I'm back here for half an hour. Still reading everything and I'm going to vote redFF for now.
I'm not sure yet we really should lynch him simply because I doubt that mafia would be so vocal so early on. He was basicly BEGGING to get heat for that policy lynch. But then again I do the same as mafia and like to take heat because I think I can take it. All I've read from redFF so far indicates that he thinks very highly about himself so it's a possibility although it's totally wifom (in both directions).
I think chaosers answeres to my case were decent and he's no longer my scumread #1 because of that.
I am not going to lynch BC based on that because I got a different conclusion and I don't want to lynch into vets on d1. D1 is the hardest lynch because we have so little information and yet you want to straight away lynch BC?
So it's really only redFF I'm left with right now or a rnd-lurker, but most people here are actually talking.
Will be back in something like 3 hours I hope. Depending on my train and the shity internet my parents got...
And I'll read this all on train.
I'm not liking you so far in this game. This post doesn't read like what I would expect from you and I'm not sure how exactly you determine whether someone is a "vet" or not and as such "untouchable" on d1. Why were you fine with lynching Chaoser but not fine with lynching BC? You seem unsure about redff but still want to lynch him over everyone else. Is this correct? What do you think about his tracker claim and what I've said about it? |
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| Tyrran France. February 23 2012 01:05. Posts 585 | Profile Blog # |
There is the possibility that red is 3rd faction. That could explain several thing.
I've read BC's filter. He has'nt been very active until now, but so far his filter is consistent. IN his first post he states that he is against policy lynches, but for lynching bad people, and that he is waiting for bad people to appear. A few post later, he states that redFF shouldnt be that bad, so he doesnt vote for him yet. But then redFF play did not improve, he made his bad claim, and BC decided that he is bad enough for a lynch.
His play is consistent. I dont know BC nearly enough to lynch him on his meta.
On February 22 2012 21:37 risk.nuke wrote:
Syllo if redFF is scum it would not be weird at all that there would be no or little resistance from the scum-side.
His claim is problematic but I don't think we should lynch him. If he is telling the truth and is a tracker, every night he lives is dangerous for the scum so they will get rid of him. Wasting a lynch to do scums job for them and kill a blue seems optimally bad, weighing it against the alternative that he's scum and is trying to survive alittle longer or maybe out a blue I think not lynching him is the way to proceed. Even if he is scum he is less of a threat to town because he will not survive to the endgame.
This has been in my mind for some time. I'm starting to think that even if we do not know BC alignement ( And that is assuming that no town DT/Cop is willing to clear that out), we could get some valuable info out of him. I'm willing to let him live for now. This doesnt mean I will trust the result of his investigation ( if any). But when entering mid/late game, if he flips, i believe his claim are going to help town finding the last scum.
I'll be moving my vote to Blazinghand.
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:13. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
| Tyrran and Dirkzor can both go sit on thumbtacks. Yall are butthurt and/or terrible at mafia. Seriously. |
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| syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 01:22. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
| Are you going to post any content at all blazinghand? Why do you think dirkzor is "butthurt" when you haven't even mentioned him before? |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:24. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # | |
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| syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 01:25. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
| What about the possibility that they are scum? Not considering that? |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:29. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
| Tyrran could he butthurt scum. Dunno what dirks deal is hes probs just dumb |
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| Jitsu United States. February 23 2012 01:36. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
| Syllo, what do you think of Dirkzor? Guy is giving me redchills. |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:37. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
| Jitsu what you think of tyrran, and what you think of me? |
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| Dirkzor Denmark. February 23 2012 01:49. Posts 1341 | Profile Blog # |
Blazinghand you response to my case only enforces the belief that you are scum. You WANT to argue because you are stubborn. You ALWAYS argue because you think you can win the arguement (and most of the time you win - atleast in your own mind).
But what do you do now? Call me bad at mafia. My case is not bad. Its spot on. Why not try to argue your way out of it instead of just dismissing it? |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:55. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
| Hmm youre right im usually very conservative with my vote right |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 01:55. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
| Oh no wait youre completely wrong |
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| Jitsu United States. February 23 2012 01:56. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor.
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| Toadesstern Germany. February 23 2012 02:04. Posts 6103 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 00:59 syllogism wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 22:22 Toadesstern wrote:
ok I'm back here for half an hour. Still reading everything and I'm going to vote redFF for now.
I'm not sure yet we really should lynch him simply because I doubt that mafia would be so vocal so early on. He was basicly BEGGING to get heat for that policy lynch. But then again I do the same as mafia and like to take heat because I think I can take it. All I've read from redFF so far indicates that he thinks very highly about himself so it's a possibility although it's totally wifom (in both directions).
I think chaosers answeres to my case were decent and he's no longer my scumread #1 because of that.
I am not going to lynch BC based on that because I got a different conclusion and I don't want to lynch into vets on d1. D1 is the hardest lynch because we have so little information and yet you want to straight away lynch BC?
So it's really only redFF I'm left with right now or a rnd-lurker, but most people here are actually talking.
Will be back in something like 3 hours I hope. Depending on my train and the shity internet my parents got...
And I'll read this all on train.
I'm not liking you so far in this game. This post doesn't read like what I would expect from you and I'm not sure how exactly you determine whether someone is a "vet" or not and as such "untouchable" on d1. Why were you fine with lynching Chaoser but not fine with lynching BC? You seem unsure about redff but still want to lynch him over everyone else. Is this correct? What do you think about his tracker claim and what I've said about it?
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Yeah I realize that A LOT of people are vets in this game. That's why I said earlier that saying that probably is stupid because there's so few people in here who are not at least decent.
I was fine with lynching Chaoser because I thought it's odd. I thought the same way in my last game about him, told people about it, Chaoser got in the thread and explained everything which made him look pretty townie to me that game. Imo the same is happening this time. I had some issues with him that made him my #1 read but his answeres and effort were decent enough to settle for someone else.
I am not fine with lynching BC because I already explained that I saw the very same things you saw about him but got to another conclusion and so far it's nothing that makes we mant to lynch him. Additionaly he's one of the guys I'd like to not lynch d1 but that's my opinion. I wouldn't be willing to lynch you either.
Yes I am unsure about red and for me he's something like a backup lynch. I don't think that the situation about redFF is going to be better very soon because as already mentioend the claim is a hard thing to judge. I do agree that 1 tracker on both sides sounds reasonable but I also agree that 2 on town side would be a reasonable as well.
No to begin with the fact that maybe red is a mafia tracker after all, we got a towntracker (e.g. your "theory" is right) and that guy is simply not willing to claim yet because he wants to think this thing trough. So far I'm trying to ignore the tracker-claim. I do not thing any result he could deliver would help him and therefore I do not think it should be an issue for his alignment at all because it could be both.
About the situation not going to get better: Mafia tracker is totally possible as well and no matter what red is going to tell us it's not going to improve his situation so we will have to lynch him eventually. That's why he's some kind of backup lynch for me. I don't really feel that strong about his scummyness because I still doubt he'd do that as mafia (which is wifom) but I don't think it would be a bad lynch either.
The whole argument about this wagon forming so fast is obviously bullshit. Yes I agree that mafia probably wouldn't bus one of their buddies so early. 14 vs 4 sounds somewhat to townfavored for me so I'd say we got thirdparties or something like that. Let's just assume 12 vs 4 for the sake of numbers. I just don't believe they'd be willing to make it 12 v 3 so easily.
Still we got a bunch of people defending him and I am softdefending him as well. It's not like he's a confirmed town and what he did was weird to say the least. So I can see how people want to lynch him and the real problem is that this lynch is so incredible easy for mafia to sheep if he really flips town, not the fact that it's fast.
So what I said above is about the situation we got right now and about redFF. Now to my thoughts about possible lynches.
I'd say the 3 best candidates for a lynch right now are either VE, BH or red.
I already explained the part on red in detail and yeah, he's my "backup"-lynch.
BH is a fast one too because I agree with what Dirkzor said.
VE is a meta one because I got the feeling it's mafia-VE trying to make us think we're dealing with stupid-VE. Pretty much the same as in arkham. VE's better than what he's doing right now. He clearly was overdoing it early on and while I do agree that he wants to improve and this might look like VE actually trying to help, I think he was very well aware of the fact the he was pulling a p4n on us. He's also more spammy and trollish (idk how to say that, like the posts he did to answer Jackal) than he should be. Town VE really tries hard to help nowadays. He does that by posting his reads and argueing about his reads in a "normal" fashion imo. I don't really see that "normal" fashion here and think it's him trying to make it look like his usual meta. Oh and when I said "VE really tries hard to help" I was referring to the fact that he tries hard not to fall back into his old habits and I see that happening this game without a reason. In L I saw that later on as well but he was pissed like I was because noone was listening to him and I understood that, however I don't really see a reason for that in this game.
So yeah. Those 3 are the ones I'd be willing to lynch today as of now. I'm still reading a bit and I'm here. So if you want to talk to me go ahead  |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 02:11. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote:
I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor.
##vote Dirkzor
Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser? |
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| syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 02:12. Posts 5337 | Profile # |
| No, stop saying we have to lynch someone at some point, that is not true unless he is scum. It is also not true that "no matter what" red is going to tell us it not going to improve the situation as he could for instance give us a "red" result, even if that is unlikely as scum most likely have a roleblocker. Why are you so against lynching BC? Did his reads in L impress you or where did you get the idea? Have his contributions impressed here so far? |
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| risk.nuke Sweden. February 23 2012 02:20. Posts 2763 | Profile # |
On February 23 2012 02:11 Blazinghand wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote:
I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor.
##vote Dirkzor
Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser?
I don't feel Jitsus case arguments for wanting ro kill Dirkzor is heartfelt. I'd be okey to lynch Jitsu today. |
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| Blazinghand United States. February 23 2012 02:21. Posts 12155 | Profile Blog # |
On February 23 2012 02:20 risk.nuke wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 23 2012 02:11 Blazinghand wrote:
On February 23 2012 01:56 Jitsu wrote:
I think Tyrran doesn't know what he's doing.
As for you - one part troll, one part unenthusiastic, add a dash of the possibility of scum, shake and serve on ice.
I'm voting Dirkzor.
##vote Dirkzor
Why? His lack of a case on Chaoser?
I don't feel Jitsus case arguments for wanting ro kill Dirkzor is heartfelt. I'd be okey to lynch Jitsu today.
I guess I should ask Jitsu what he asked Chaoser: Where's your case at bro |
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| Jitsu United States. February 23 2012 02:22. Posts 900 | Profile Blog # |
On February 22 2012 11:49 DoctorHelvetica wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 22 2012 11:44 Jitsu wrote:
I wouldn't roll with a BC lynch at the moment. He pretty much said exactly what I was thinking with the "role does not equal alignment." There is no defined set-up information, and it could be plausible that a tracker type would be on the mafia side. No?
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Cool case, brah. Would it be ok to say that chaoser is a red read to you, then? If not, who then?
He made one okay point therefore we shouldn't lynch him? I agree with it too. That doesn't mean anything really. BC is way better than this. He's playing negatively, passively, he's criticizing others for not contributing past the PL discussion but offers nothing to the thread himself. Yeah, RedFF could be faking it and the fact that he hasn't said a role name yet makes me suspect but I feel way stronger about BC with that last post of his now.
The fact that I had the same idea is less about me agreeing with it and more about having the same train of thought.
Did you read L? Everyone was making the same case about him in L, saying how he was causing more chaos then good, especially with revealing his role. Not comfortable with lynching him at this point.
I could get down with a Dirkzor lynch.
- non-committal early on, staying out of the spotlight for the most part.
- says that chaoser is curious because he is "flippy floppy"
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On February 21 2012 18:44 Dirkzor wrote:
RedFF's fast unvote of Tyrran was weird after he had pushed and defended his policy lynch so much.
Kita's vote on (policy?) Tyrran while attacking Toad for defending Tyrran while attacking RedFF for his history regarding policy lynches and then unvoting Tyrran to vote RedFF is weird. Don't know what I should think about it. I like that you can argue with someone while still having the same opinion but this just looks way to double sided.
I see no scummyness from Chaoser's town read on VE. Other people have done similarly things in this game. But chaoser as a whole is a bit flip floppy...
This post makes just about zero sense to me. It's more of the same, with a bit of confusion as well. If I wanted to post something to make it look like a contribution, this would be it.
- says he can't wrap his head around this game, then two posts later, claims chaoser as his primary scumread, and adds a [weak] case about how chaoser is scum.
- doesn't even vote for chaoser, even though it's his target.
Something is up.
##vote Dirkzor
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