Based on thread activity and the vote spread, it doesn't appear that likely that BC is scum. Should have lynched jackal for his strange remark about prplhz looking townier at the time than I. Also, while he is never verbose with his reads, his posts so far have been closer to his scum style than his town. Certainly better than lynching our basically confirmed tracker and it's quite stunning to see the list of names who failed to see that.
Well, no flip is disapointing. I'm guessing this is a similar ability that demons had in purgatory (i.e. One time flip conceiling). Hopefully, there will be some town power role that will give us information to counter balance this. As for now, i'm still up for a BH lynch. He posted a lot during the last hours of day 1, but none of his post were actually usefull, plus he contraticted himself by suddenly switching vote for BC. He has been OMGUSing every single person that voted for him, but failed to make a single post defending himself.
Syllo, as redFF main defender, what is your stance on WBG, who basically started and conducted the redFF lynch ? Also, you said earlier that you also found BH scummy. Do you still think it is the case ?
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syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 22:02. Posts 5348
On February 23 2012 21:14 syllogism wrote: Based on thread activity and the vote spread, it doesn't appear that likely that BC is scum. Should have lynched jackal for his strange remark about prplhz looking townier at the time than I. Also, while he is never verbose with his reads, his posts so far have been closer to his scum style than his town. Certainly better than lynching our basically confirmed tracker and it's quite stunning to see the list of names who failed to see that.
Context. Learn it.
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syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 22:51. Posts 5348
On February 23 2012 22:51 syllogism wrote: Amazingly enough that sounds like town jackal talking but it's always hard to tell
My point regarding Prp was that he is always convoluted in his logic and his presentations. You were calling him scummy due to this. I asked if you had ever played with him before because if you had you would understand that his play style you were calling him on is not a scum tell for him. He's always like that. If you had played with him before you are aware of that and pushing for his lynch for the reasons you stated is scummy. But you never answered my question.
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syllogism Finland. February 23 2012 23:08. Posts 5348
He has recently made sense as town and I remember that in his first scum game he was especially convoluted and nonsensical. I don't read his posts closely when I've already concluded that he is town, so perhaps I'm mistaken. Anyway, he has since then posted more and is looking better.
prplhz Denmark. February 24 2012 00:48. Posts 4116
My first scum game? That was Surprisingly Normal Mini Mafia IV like ages ago, how the hell do you remember that?
Anyway, Jackal58, you says I sound like I do when I'm town but that's no reason to say that you would lynch syllogism over me. It would be a reason if you additionally thought that I don't sound like I do when I'm scum, or if syllogism sounds like he's scum. You also spent all Hammer Mini Mafia calling random people town for hardly any reason.
I think it's somewhat unlikely that BloodyC0bbler is scum or else the wagon would have met some serious resistance at 5 BloodyC0bbler to 7 redFF I think, and some other reasons. It didn't, instead Blazinghand decided to switch from redFF to BloodyC0bbler in a very weird post. This sudden "Wow, that's so true" is weird because the arguments that VisceraEyes presents are the exact same as have been posted in the thread a few times before. It seems like a bad excuse to change his vote. Going through his past games, I haven't seen him act like this a single time.
I think it's weird that scum didn't just pile onto a town BloodyC0bbler though, if they could hide the flip anyway.
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Jackal58 United States. February 24 2012 01:07. Posts 4264
Context!!!!!!! If Syllo was going to use your inability to post a coherent thought as a reason to lynch you Syllo should be lynched.
What is so fucking hard about that??????
I have no idea if you are scum or not prplhz but I do know that you posting disjointed, incoherent, illogical synaptic mush doesn't mean you're scum. But dammit man you're trying awfully hard to paint your self red.
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Toadesstern Germany. February 24 2012 01:12. Posts 6117
@prplhz Why are we assuming that it's a scumpower that just hide flips? "Missing Day 1" this wording is very deliberate and leads me to believe that RedFF is not lynched or dead at all. Don't make such serious assumptions.
An unlynchable scum or a lynch dodging power seems like a bit much but since none of us (except perhaps the scumteam or a town/3rd party power role that did this) know exactly what happened so speculating on it is inconclusive and useless.
and some other reasons
I think it's weird that scum didn't just pile onto a town BloodyC0bbler though
This is WIFOM just like your first point. The scum plan could be any number of things and it's more conducive to figure out who is scum rather than which one of many many plans/voting patterns/buses/etc. could scum be enacting or not. The recently ended Arkham City was a great example, I think, of scum distancing themselves pretty well from each other and in that game Sheth almost got lynched Day 1 and there wasn't really hard resistance from the scumteam at all.
prplhz Denmark. February 24 2012 02:23. Posts 4116
Dunno, 3rd party seems kind of silly in a small setup like this. Anything that hides flips is scum favored. All of that is speculation though, the setup could just hide flips on day1 or redFF could have a role that would make him survive lynch (I believe there was a "runner" role or something like that in one of the Pick Your/Their Powers). Anyway, all of this is meaningless setup speculation and we should probably do like we did in Hammer Mini Mafia, just go look for other scum as if this was day1.
Some other reasons, such as how I think he genuinely seemed angry with how he was getting pushed.
You can discard it as WIFOM, but fact is that BloodyC0bbler as town will pose a bigger threat to a scum team than redFF as town. If they have the opportunity to avoid most of the heat they would get from piling onto him then I have a hard time seeing why they wouldn't do that. But this is all setup speculation and I should probably be spending my time on something else.
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syllogism Finland. February 24 2012 02:27. Posts 5348
This is a closed normal setup. There are however variations of roles that can be considered non-normal. Thus you should treat this game as something of a borderline themed/normal. The distinction is somewhat hard to make, so just keep it in mind as you enter the game.
It has no explicit themes. It’s only the roles that make the game somewhat unusual. There may be more than 2 factions in the game.
That's what our OP says. Looks to me like the only possibility is a weird role. I don't know how you think about this but I consider a no-flip-mechanic as something unusual.
This shouldn't even be a topic. I don't know what's happening but I'd say it's something that has to do some some 3rd party or mafia role and there's no way it is some weird mechanic like VE or kita said because again, according to what I quoted that would be mentioned in the OP. For all I care I don't even care right now. RedFF was ragequitting, maybe he knew what was going to happen because he's third party and he somehow did this, maybe he had no idea what was going on. I don't know and speculating about such a thing is not going to help us.
syllogism Finland. February 24 2012 03:02. Posts 5348
No, redff as the town tracker could not have known what was going to happen. There is no need to speculate as there is only one realistic scenario, which is an obscured or delayed flip. I guess there is the 1% scenario where redff is mafia, the setup makes little sense and his team consists of 3 players who were all afk for day 1 and thus couldn't stop him from being lynched.
DoctorHelvetica United States. February 24 2012 03:55. Posts 13955