| Salivanth Australia. February 20 2012 19:33. Posts 820 | Profile Blog # |
Hi TL. I'm not exactly plugged into the metagame, so I was hoping to ask you guys for some help. I have a friend who's Zerg, I'm playing as Terran. I'm looking for some all-ins, as the skill he wants to work on is fending off aggression. All-ins or heavily aggressive builds are fine. Since the description of cheese appears to vary widely among SC2 players, I won't say no cheese: But please no builds such as proxy rax or very, very early attacks. I want some more robust all-ins, even 2-base all-ins are good.
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| UniversalMind United States. February 20 2012 19:36. Posts 325 | Profile # |
think this is the wrong thread, should prob post this in the strategy section  |
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| Moosey United States. February 20 2012 19:36. Posts 183 | Profile Blog # |
Most important one is going to be learning to fend off the 2-rax + bunkers.
Learning standard play is going to be the lynch pin, and he'll then learn how to hold off the weirder crap. If you focus on the all-ins, you'll just lose to standard play. |
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| Cocoba Canada. February 20 2012 19:36. Posts 352 | Profile # |
| 1 base 6-7 rax marine and scv (optional) all in. Pretty much what TLO did to IdrA. |
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| ETisME Hong Kong. February 20 2012 19:39. Posts 4889 | Profile Blog # |
| hellions, they are probably the one that he should be careful, it is in ladder so often nowadays and tonnes of follow up. Try hellions into 2 port banshee or hellions marauders or mass hellions + drops Last edit: 2012-02-20 19:39:54 |
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| stonetalon Netherlands. February 20 2012 19:47. Posts 480 | Profile # | |
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| Tatari United States. February 20 2012 19:52. Posts 1018 | Profile Blog # |
Ye olde...
2rax
scv rush
marauder/hellion
2 port 1 base banshees (cloaked if you want more bonus rage points)
Pick your poison. |
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| courtpanda February 20 2012 19:56. Posts 765 | Profile Blog # |
| waves and waves of hellion runbys into cloak banshee |
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| Rudo United States. February 20 2012 20:01. Posts 33 | Profile # |
| 2 port banshees with cloak, 3 tank marine push, marauder hellion push, any form of bunker pressure, 3 rax scv all in, fast hellion drops |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. February 20 2012 20:06. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 19:52 Tatari wrote:
2rax
scv rush
marauder/hellion
2 port 1 base banshees (cloaked if you want more bonus rage points)
Pretty much covers it. Just know that there's 2 versions of 2rax. 11/11 (extremely all-in) and 12/14 (has an eco followup, though will be behind if it does little damage.
I guess maybe 1-1-1 as well....? I never see it against me at low/mid masters on EU but I've heard it done before.Last edit: 2012-02-20 20:06:58 |
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| VoirDire Sweden. February 20 2012 20:10. Posts 1774 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 19:33 Salivanth wrote: I won't say no cheese: But please no builds such as proxy rax or very, very early attacks. I want some more robust all-ins, even 2-base all-ins are good.
What do you mean by "robust"? Either you win or you lose, an all-in has no follow-up by definition.
11/11 proxy rax + 5 scvs and practice your marine stutter-step micro. This is the strongest tvz all-in currently by a long shot imho. Pros occasionally lose to this even if they've scouted it and know it's coming. |
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| Sated England. February 20 2012 20:12. Posts 3386 | Profile Blog # |
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=306157
This will test your Zerg friend's multi-tasking and scouting out a lot. Hellion Harass followed by Cloaked Banshee harrass followed by a Hellion drop followed by a 4 Thor push. The Thor push is essentially all-in in that the Zerg will win the game if you don't do damage with it. |
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| MyLastSerenade Germany. February 20 2012 20:19. Posts 707 | Profile # |
| Sound played some sick allins against Z at the last HSC. They uploaded a replay pack,there u can watch them! |
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| Clarity_nl Netherlands. February 20 2012 20:22. Posts 3283 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 20:10 VoirDire wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 19:33 Salivanth wrote: I won't say no cheese: But please no builds such as proxy rax or very, very early attacks. I want some more robust all-ins, even 2-base all-ins are good.
What do you mean by "robust"? Either you win or you lose, an all-in has no follow-up by definition.
^this
A 2 base all in I guess would be a giant mech push off of 2 base with 2-1 ups.
Like 8 thors 30 hellions 20 scvLast edit: 2012-02-20 20:23:01 |
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| KalWarkov Germany. February 20 2012 20:37. Posts 2800 | Profile Blog # |
10 depot
11 rax
12rax, 12 rax (both hidden, cut scvs)
send out 1 scout (11-rax scv e.g.)
morph to orbital, build marines only (hide the marines from the hidden raxes)
supplydrop (16 supply usually, can happen till 18, doenst matter when)
send all scvs and marines @ 24 supply.
works vs every race, has high win % in high masters if you micro it well - sadly enough. |
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| KalWarkov Germany. February 20 2012 20:40. Posts 2800 | Profile Blog # |
On February 20 2012 20:22 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 20:10 VoirDire wrote:
On February 20 2012 19:33 Salivanth wrote: I won't say no cheese: But please no builds such as proxy rax or very, very early attacks. I want some more robust all-ins, even 2-base all-ins are good.
What do you mean by "robust"? Either you win or you lose, an all-in has no follow-up by definition.
^this A 2 base all in I guess would be a giant mech push off of 2 base with 2-1 ups. Like 8 thors 30 hellions 20 scv
ye probably (note: armor > attack in that case).
the problem with those 2 base allins is, that you acutally got to have a basic skillset and know something about the game.
if a silver-player executes that build, he probably has 4 thors and 20 hellions.
at the same time, a GM player would have 8 thors and 30 hellions - at the exact same time and when nothing happened in the game.
early allins are "better" for lower leagues, because you basically dont need macro. |
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| YaShock Hungary. February 20 2012 20:57. Posts 118 | Profile Blog # |
| I wouldn't recommend doing only allins. Just play a lot a few macro games and always different allins, so he can learn how to scout, that's the key. (Except 2 rax bunker rush, even if you scout it, you'll probably lose anyway) |
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| Bommes Germany. February 20 2012 21:01. Posts 941 | Profile # |
On February 20 2012 20:06 Clarity_nl wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 20 2012 19:52 Tatari wrote:
2rax
scv rush
marauder/hellion
2 port 1 base banshees (cloaked if you want more bonus rage points)
Pretty much covers it. Just know that there's 2 versions of 2rax. 11/11 (extremely all-in) and 12/14 (has an eco followup, though will be behind if it does little damage. I guess maybe 1-1-1 as well....? I never see it against me at low/mid masters on EU but I've heard it done before.
"extremely all-in"?
Maybe if you pull 5 SCVs and proxy the raxes.
Apart from that every 2rax has to do a little damage or at least give you map control for some time and force more zerglings or its not worth it, the 11 rax forces a more extreme reaction from the zerg player usually with a lot of drones pulled, that alone makes it not too bad, but the 12/14 2rax is usually better because by now zergs know the basics of how to defend against the more aggressive build.Last edit: 2012-02-20 21:05:26 |
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 KwarK United Kingdom. February 20 2012 21:44. Posts 20490 | Profile Blog # |
| Remake this after reading the strategy forum guidelines. |
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