The Deepest Team in Proleague

Map Team Wins Losses W_vT L_vT W_vZ L_vZ W_vP L_vP
Chain Reaction ACE 5 4 1 0 3 1 1 3
Chain Reaction CJ 6 4 1 0 3 1 2 3
Chain Reaction KHAN 6 4 0 0 3 2 3 2
Chain Reaction KT 6 5 0 1 3 0 3 4
Chain Reaction SKT 5 6 0 2 3 1 2 3
Chain Reaction Stars 3 8 0 1 2 2 1 5
Chain Reaction STX 4 7 1 0 2 4 1 3
Chain Reaction Team 8 7 4 0 1 3 1 4 2
Neo Chain Reaction ACE 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
Neo Chain Reaction CJ 0 3 0 0 0 1 0 2
Neo Chain Reaction KHAN 2 1 0 0 1 1 1 0
Neo Chain Reaction KT 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 1
Neo Chain Reaction SKT 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Neo Chain Reaction Stars 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 0
Neo Chain Reaction STX 1 2 0 0 0 1 1 1
Neo Chain Reaction Team 8 2 0 0 0 0 0 2 0
Electric Circuit ACE 4 6 4 2 0 2 0 2
Electric Circuit CJ 2 8 1 3 0 3 1 2
Electric Circuit KHAN 2 8 1 0 0 6 1 2
Electric Circuit KT 7 2 2 0 4 2 1 0
Electric Circuit SKT 6 4 3 1 1 1 2 2
Electric Circuit Stars 9 2 2 0 4 0 3 2
Electric Circuit STX 5 4 4 3 0 1 1 0
Electric Circuit Team 8 4 5 2 2 2 2 0 1
Neo Electric Circuit ACE 0 2 0 2 0 0 0 0
Neo Electric Circuit CJ 0 2 0 0 0 1 0 1
Neo Electric Circuit KHAN 0 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
Neo Electric Circuit KT 3 0 1 0 1 0 1 0
Neo Electric Circuit SKT 3 1 0 0 2 0 1 1
Neo Electric Circuit Stars 2 2 1 1 1 0 0 1
Neo Electric Circuit STX 1 2 0 1 1 1 0 0
Neo Electric Circuit Team 8 2 1 0 0 1 1 1 0
Ground Zero ACE 6 3 0 1 4 0 2 2
Ground Zero CJ 6 4 5 3 0 1 1 0
Ground Zero KHAN 8 4 2 2 3 2 3 0
Ground Zero KT 4 7 0 5 2 0 2 2
Ground Zero SKT 5 6 2 4 3 1 0 1
Ground Zero Stars 7 7 1 4 2 0 4 3
Ground Zero STX 6 7 1 4 2 3 3 0
Ground Zero Team 8 5 9 5 3 0 2 0 4
Jade ACE 5 8 1 6 1 0 3 2
Jade CJ 7 4 4 2 2 0 1 2
Jade KHAN 8 4 4 2 1 1 3 1
Jade KT 5 6 2 3 0 0 3 3
Jade SKT 9 2 3 2 3 0 3 0
Jade Stars 3 10 2 5 0 1 1 4
Jade STX 6 8 3 2 0 1 3 5
Jade Team 8 5 6 1 1 2 1 2 4
Outlier ACE 1 10 0 0 0 6 1 4
Outlier CJ 7 4 0 1 6 1 1 2
Outlier KHAN 6 5 0 0 1 1 5 4
Outlier KT 8 2 1 0 2 2 5 0
Outlier SKT 6 6 0 0 3 1 3 5
Outlier Stars 4 7 0 1 2 5 2 1
Outlier STX 5 6 1 0 2 5 2 1
Outlier Team 8 6 3 1 0 3 1 2 2
Neo Outlier ACE 0 1 0 0 0 1 0 0
Neo Outlier CJ 2 1 1 0 1 1 0 0
Neo Outlier KHAN 1 1 0 0 0 1 1 0
Neo Outlier KT 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Neo Outlier SKT 1 0 1 0 0 0 0 0
Neo Outlier Stars 1 1 0 0 1 1 0 0
Neo Outlier STX 1 1 0 0 0 0 1 1
Neo Outlier Team 8 1 2 0 0 1 2 0 0
Sniper Ridge ACE 5 7 3 3 1 2 1 2
Sniper Ridge CJ 6 5 2 2 2 1 2 2
Sniper Ridge KHAN 8 5 3 1 2 4 3 0
Sniper Ridge KT 8 4 3 4 3 0 2 0
Sniper Ridge SKT 5 7 2 4 1 2 2 1
Sniper Ridge Stars 10 6 4 4 3 0 3 2
Sniper Ridge STX 5 7 3 4 0 1 2 2
Sniper Ridge Team 8 2 8 1 1 1 4 0 3

On March 08 2012 02:18 gutshot wrote:

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On March 08 2012 01:11 VGhost wrote:

On March 08 2012 00:23 gutshot wrote:
The only reason why Khan has 3~4 players in the top 18 this season is because of the maps. Brave wouldn't be doing so good (6-3) if the old version of Chain Reaction was so good for Protoss. Turn is on his streak just like he did last year(then he failed badly). Stork normally doesn't have that good winning ratio(no offence, but he statistically loses more). Same goes with Jangbi. Also, most of the maps that are being used pretty much favor Protoss over Zerg. Just looking at the data at the moment is just so flawed. If you are going to do an analysis like this, do it for at least last 3 years. really? even the top 18 players have played about 12~13 games average. Do the same for the last 3 years and I am sure you can't say Khan is the deepest team due to number of players in the ranking.

First of all, sure, maps. I'm sure the maps help. But they're not helping CJ's Protoss; Wooki and Sun are doing worse than projected; Shuttle hasn't won a game (not that he's been played much). I'm sure maps are a partial cause, but they're not a sufficient cause.

Second, TurN didn't "fail badly". He certainly opened on an unsustainable streak; but he was a rookie and finished with a winning record.

Third, Stork's 12-5 (70.6%) is only about a game or two away from his 60% career winning rate. If he had lost one of the games he won, 11-6 is 64.7%. If he loses the next one, he's at 66.7%. There's no significant difference from his career record - and it's impossible to discount the possibility he's playing better than his career average (whether absolutely or just because of no Starleague pressure). Let's start with the part where he's probably the player to come closest to beating Flash (excepting Dear, of course), essentially throwing away a miraculously evened-up game with poor late game planning (carriers) and worse micro.

Fourth, Jangbi is doing pretty badly compared to expectations. 7-8? Really? That's what we expect from the last OSL winner? Jangbi managed to lose to Piano early in the year.

Fifth, I'm not trying to look at the last three years - and if I wanted to, I don't know where I'd start. In the last three seasons, we've had three different formats for Proleague, and that's even without trying to account for Winners League the previous two seasons. Then start trying to work out the fallout of transfers and retirements (to take just one team, KT's seen fOrGG, Mind, Action, Crazy-Hydra, and Perfectman come in, fOrGG, 815, and Perfective leave) and disbandments. What I am doing is looking at this year's results so far. I'm sure if I wanted to put the effort in, and was really interested in projections forward, previous results would be informative; but this is really just a "state of the league" table, not a predictive effort.

Sixth, while I don't have the data for two years ago, I did collect it from last season. KHAN last season was one of two teams with 6 15-game winners (the other was SKT). And they added two more in RorO and Shine. Nobody else made acquisitions close to that good based on previous records: sHy's looking like a good pickup, and Perfectman was pretty decent last season, and that's about it. So if I did look at past years' records to construct a deepest team projection, KHAN would almost certainly be in the top three. (The other two would be SKT and, I think, CJ despite their poor showing this year.)

And seventh, I rest my case.

I don't understand why you emphasize 15 game winners. If you were to look at 20 game winners, the number significantly decreases down to 2. Khan had the least number of 20 game winners and it's still the deepest team? and it's after all 6 rounds totaling up 54 matches.

I guess you made a typo with Shy*, does Shine really look like a good pickup for you? his 2011 year stats are 3-14. Sure he is looking like he is doing better recently winning games against Great, KaL, Free. Look up these guys and see how they are doing this season. (especially Great, His games have been so terrible this season I don't know if he even practices anymore)

all in all, Khan maybe the deepest protoss team(and I certainly think they are), but definitely not the deepest team.

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