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| mdb February 24 2012 23:35. Posts 3568 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 23:24 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 22:52 jpak wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:45 Candadar wrote:
SC2 is just too...easy. I'm not great at it, it just is so simplistic and just, meh. Don't like the direction it's taking.
Should I play on iCCUP or is there a better place to play? I remember playing in iccup back in the day, so I was wondering if that's still being used primarily or what.
iccup first. Then once you reach C+/B-, then start playing on the Korean Fish server. I have yet to get to that point.
Just am a bit conflicted. Not sure I can get used to only 12(?) units at a time, especially if I go zerg or something. How do I work hotkeys in this scenario? I'm thinking of going either Z or T, can't decide.
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| Stratos Czech Republic. February 24 2012 23:54. Posts 1583 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 23:24 Candadar wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 22:52 jpak wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:45 Candadar wrote:
SC2 is just too...easy. I'm not great at it, it just is so simplistic and just, meh. Don't like the direction it's taking.
Should I play on iCCUP or is there a better place to play? I remember playing in iccup back in the day, so I was wondering if that's still being used primarily or what.
iccup first. Then once you reach C+/B-, then start playing on the Korean Fish server. I have yet to get to that point.
Just am a bit conflicted. Not sure I can get used to only 12(?) units at a time, especially if I go zerg or something. How do I work hotkeys in this scenario? I'm thinking of going either Z or T, can't decide.
You re-hotkey if necessary, it's about priority. Do you really need to have all the hatcheries hotkeyed? Can you get away with using F2-F4 to cover hatchery production? Do you really need to hotkey a bunch of lings that you're sending to die to random spidermines?
I'm not sure what the 'proper' way to deal with this is for each race. Either way you will probably end up facing situations were the interface just won't be enough for you to do whatever you feel like no matter how fast and refined your mechanics are. That's what makes the game beautiful IMO. You're not just trying to outplay your opponent, you're trying to beat the game itself as well.
Btw. You should go through liquipedia, there will probably a lot of knowledge on proper hotkey usage. I'm trying to figure this stuff out by myself  Last edit: 2012-02-24 23:57:00 |
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| Chef February 25 2012 00:26. Posts 9708 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it?
If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.Last edit: 2012-02-25 00:31:01 |
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| Intact Sweden. February 25 2012 00:33. Posts 313 | Profile # |
On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.
I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead
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| L_Master United States. February 25 2012 00:49. Posts 3462 | Profile Blog # |
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote:
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.
I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead
If that's what has happened to you.... that's like worst luck on the planet. I've played plenty of games but other than a couple ling and hydra allins from 2/3 hatches I haven't run into anything resembling cheese.
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| corumjhaelen France. February 25 2012 00:59. Posts 4782 | Profile Blog # |
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote:
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.
I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead
You got cannon rushed and proxy 2 gate 6 times in a row on Iccup ? Do you play zerg at least ?
Cause honestly, I've been proxy 2-gated on ladder maybe twice, as for cannon rush, meh, it's not always cheese. |
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| Stratos Czech Republic. February 25 2012 01:01. Posts 1583 | Profile Blog # |
On February 25 2012 00:49 L_Master wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote:
On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote:
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.
I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead
If that's what has happened to you.... that's like worst luck on the planet. I've played plenty of games but other than a couple ling and hydra allins from 2/3 hatches I haven't run into anything resembling cheese.
True. I have never been cannon rushed or proxy gated before and I've played quite a few games already (50+ ladder games & a lot of practice games). Anyway if you want to avoid this altogether there's nothing easier than joining sGs (search TL) and finding a few fellows to practice with. If you ask me, I haven't cheesed anyone before and have no such intentions in the next 2 years at least. |
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| Skeggaba Korea (South). February 25 2012 01:11. Posts 1508 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 22:52 jpak wrote:
iccup first. Then once you reach C+/B-, then start playing on the Korean Fish server.
Then this hurt me (6 years in the making)Last edit: 2012-02-25 01:11:41 |
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| CrtBalorda Slovenia. February 25 2012 01:37. Posts 535 | Profile # |
There is definetly one thing that is easier in bw then it is in sc2, learn stratagies, cuz the bw liquidpedia isnt terrible, yay!
Good luck hopefully you dont get to frustrated and just quit brood war. |
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| Smileforyouandme Germany. February 25 2012 02:06. Posts 11 | Profile # |
ahh plx gimme some candy too dudes  played Z in sc2 decided to get into bw, so far have made 86 - 153 on iccup and hit c- for few games (xDDD yeahw). but still struggling a lot. but its really fun... have played until 4.30am quite a lot recently. sometimes its frustrating esp. if i play vs T mech turtle, but u know... play one cs match, get cool, start again...good stuff :D |
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| Louuster Canada. February 25 2012 02:30. Posts 1648 | Profile # |
On February 24 2012 23:54 Stratos wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 23:24 Candadar wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:52 jpak wrote:
On February 24 2012 22:45 Candadar wrote:
SC2 is just too...easy. I'm not great at it, it just is so simplistic and just, meh. Don't like the direction it's taking.
Should I play on iCCUP or is there a better place to play? I remember playing in iccup back in the day, so I was wondering if that's still being used primarily or what.
iccup first. Then once you reach C+/B-, then start playing on the Korean Fish server. I have yet to get to that point.
Just am a bit conflicted. Not sure I can get used to only 12(?) units at a time, especially if I go zerg or something. How do I work hotkeys in this scenario? I'm thinking of going either Z or T, can't decide.
You re-hotkey if necessary, it's about priority. Do you really need to have all the hatcheries hotkeyed? Can you get away with using F2-F4 to cover hatchery production? Do you really need to hotkey a bunch of lings that you're sending to die to random spidermines? I'm not sure what the 'proper' way to deal with this is for each race. Either way you will probably end up facing situations were the interface just won't be enough for you to do whatever you feel like no matter how fast and refined your mechanics are. That's what makes the game beautiful IMO. You're not just trying to outplay your opponent, you're trying to beat the game itself as well. Btw. You should go through liquipedia, there will probably a lot of knowledge on proper hotkey usage. I'm trying to figure this stuff out by myself
As zerg you can easily get away with not hotkeying all your units. For example, lets say youre using 4-0 as hatcheries, have your most micro-demanding units hotkeyed (mutas, maybe a group of lurkers, defilers, etc..). For the rest of the units you can use mouse only and go like box-a box-a small chunks of your army.
If you choose to use f2-f3-f4 as 3 hatches, that frees up say 4 5 6 as hotkeys and you should be able to fit a decent sized army in 6 control groups. Note that re-hotkeying is pretty important as the game progresses, e.g use 4-0 for hatches until you take a 4th then start using f keys or whatever suits you better. Really, it comes down to what you feel most comfortable with. Jaedong doesnt use 8-9-0 and I think we can all agree that it worked pretty well for him, so you should definitely experiment with a bunch of setups. |
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| TheFlock United States. February 25 2012 03:42. Posts 255 | Profile # |
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| Cooleh United Kingdom. February 25 2012 03:51. Posts 63 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 08:29 OPKutty wrote:
I guess I'm another person who discovered brood-war by playing SC2. Whenever I get bored of SC2 I'll just go and play some BW. I play Zerg in both games and the only thing I really miss going back to BW is covering the map in creep lol. Both games are fun to play, however laddering in BW seems to be a lot more srsbsns than in SC2.
Just spam hatcheries and sunkens everywhere to cover the map in creep! oldschool |
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| DKing6297 United States. February 25 2012 04:22. Posts 78 | Profile # |
Welcome indeed! The one game that is a sport that is a passion that is amazing! I sincerely welcome you to the best game of all time
btw... Steel might be fun but nothing, and I mean NOTHING compares to raining storms down a field of tanks and watching them crumble to nothing! |
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| sluggaslamoo Australia. February 25 2012 11:46. Posts 3473 | Profile Blog # |
On February 25 2012 00:33 Intact wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 25 2012 00:26 Chef wrote:
On February 24 2012 23:09 Intact wrote:
Well, after playing my first 6 BW games I've been chessed 6 times.
Fun.....
What do you consider cheese? 9pool? Making units that shoot things and attacking with them? Making a bunker at your FE and killing it? If they are your first 6 games you'd think you would understand them as semi-optimal strategies for that level since you have never played any other games. I don't know what is being done to you, but 'cheese' back, or just play cautious if it really is cheese. In my experience iccup these days has almost NO cheese. No one ever cannon rushes, 6pools, bbs's on ladder these days.
On February 24 2012 14:34 Saline wrote:
Love the enthusiasm guys. BW is, in my opinion, the best game ever made. Once you get past the clunky and crappy interface for setting up games, it's a lot of fun.
With that in mind, it is a lot more competitive, simply because the only people that still play BW are the die-hard fans who have been around for years. We've followed the professional scene, we know all of the build orders, we know our tech trees cold and what units are good against what. We can tell what you're up to just by noticing a lack of a pylon at the proper timing, or the fact that you should have one more dragoon. It's tough! But it's totally worth it. Playing is great fun.
Well, there's plenty of new players actually. D ranks are definitely filled with people trying BW from SC2 right now. However, if you get iCCup it's usually because you want some competition and a real ladder, so it's always going to be a different class of player from totally casual games you might get in Bnet public realms. People get really hung up on the ladder score and record, but the best thing is to just ignore it and enjoy the actual games.
I consider cannon rushes and proxy 2 gates cheese but I know I should be able to scout them and defend properly, its just annoying trying to learn the game when you end up in these kind of situations instead
That's insane, its definitely just bad luck. There aren't that many cheesers on iccup, the ones that do are usually 9 pool, 2 hat lurker allin, 3 gate, 3 rax. |
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| a176 Canada. February 26 2012 03:44. Posts 5383 | Profile Blog # |
On February 24 2012 16:12 elKaDor wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 24 2012 13:07 synapse wrote:
On February 24 2012 09:23 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Best thing about BW, even if you lose your first 300 games, you will still get addicted.
*Worst thing about BW.
for sure, but SC2 is opposite, no matter if i win 100 games in a row i dont feel satisfied. god blizz did a total failure with sc2
i seriously blame sc2's music
the game is much more enjoying with bw music |
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| AyameStarcraft United Kingdom. February 26 2012 11:34. Posts 192 | Profile Blog # |
Just a little update.
Finally getting the hang of hotkeys a little. For some reason BW is VERY picky about what key presses register. 1a2a3a4a5a tends to leave, e.g. groups 2 and 4 behind at my old location. I think it has something to do with how I'm clicking my mouse. Until I figure it out you can tell on my stream that I slowly go 1 a click 2 a click etc. Kind of annoying.
Beginning to slowly understand the game a little beyond marine medic. TvP is my main focus and my FD build is getting a little tighter. I must repeat my sentiment that speed vultures are amazzzzing.
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| Candadar February 26 2012 13:59. Posts 1791 | Profile Blog # |
I'm a very paranoid person. I'm most likely overreacting, but I like to be 100% sure before I do anything, you must understand.
I go to iCCUP's website, and on my NotScripts I see this:
Now I know thousands of people have used this website, so again, I'm most likely just overreacting over nothing. However, I don't like doing things to my computer that I'm unsure about is all. =/Last edit: 2012-02-26 14:00:06 |
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