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 zefreak   United States. February 27 2012 11:38. Posts 2613
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On February 27 2012 11:28 Bagration wrote:

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I agree. I got nothing against Nestea, but I find it bothersome whenever someone starts talking about how Zergbong created the universe or something. He's a good player but keep your talk reality-based please.


I don't mind the nestea jokes because they obviously aren't serious. It's worse when they jump on the hype train (x has best y of the world) and it's obvious they aren't joking. Tasteless seems to have such a shallow understanding of the game at times, completely misreading situations and yet so confident that such and such player is the best in the world. It's frustrating, and as a fan of both as people and a casting duo it is the one thing that gets on my nerves. Other than that, I think they are great and Artosis has excellent game knowledge.
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 ShAdZ_ZX   Australia. February 27 2012 11:42. Posts 491
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On February 27 2012 11:31 scudst0rm wrote:

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You heard the man, fun is not allowed.


I think a lot of people would agree that the length Tastosis takes it to at times exceeds what many would consider 'fun'.
 
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 RezChi   Canada. February 27 2012 11:43. Posts 2323
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On February 27 2012 11:38 zefreak wrote:

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I don't mind the nestea jokes because they obviously aren't serious. It's worse when they jump on the hype train (x has best y of the world) and it's obvious they aren't joking. Tasteless seems to have such a shallow understanding of the game at times, completely misreading situations and yet so confident that such and such player is the best in the world. It's frustrating, and as a fan of both as people and a casting duo it is the one thing that gets on my nerves. Other than that, I think they are great and Artosis has excellent game knowledge.

I think Artosis balances out Tasteless's lack of knowledge of the game. Thats why you rarely see them not commentate together xD
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 jmbthirteen   United States. February 27 2012 11:45. Posts 9610
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On February 27 2012 11:42 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:

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I think a lot of people would agree that the length Tastosis takes it to at times exceeds what many would consider 'fun'.


Actually I think Tastosis have gotten much better about it as in they are joking about it more now where before it seemed like they weren't. Look, Nestea is the Chuck Norris on sc2. Also now that they say these things to Nestea himself, its even funnier.
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 jmbthirteen   United States. February 27 2012 11:46. Posts 9610
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On February 27 2012 11:16 windsupernova wrote:
Sigh do I need to remind people about this?

On a TL LR thread:

Victory on early game is due to cheese
Victory on mid game is due to N bases all ins
Victory on late game is due to imba

Nobody actually wins a match of starcraft here. They all just cheese, all in or when they actually win its because OP

Victory against Zerg you mean is cheese, all ins and imbalance.
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 ShAdZ_ZX   Australia. February 27 2012 11:47. Posts 491
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On February 27 2012 11:38 zefreak wrote:

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I don't mind the nestea jokes because they obviously aren't serious. It's worse when they jump on the hype train (x has best y of the world) and it's obvious they aren't joking. Tasteless seems to have such a shallow understanding of the game at times, completely misreading situations and yet so confident that such and such player is the best in the world. It's frustrating, and as a fan of both as people and a casting duo it is the one thing that gets on my nerves. Other than that, I think they are great and Artosis has excellent game knowledge.


I mirror exactly what you had to say.

Artosis is an enjoyable as ever to listen too. But I'm quite over Tasteless to be perfectly honest.

As far back as about 3/4 through last year, I started noticing a lot of annoying aspects of his casting.

I'm not trying to judge or anything, there are plenty of reasons why he may not be able to cast to the ability that he used to. But its more so that he not only misreads many situations, but then Artosis is sort of forced to agree with him because he can't exactly say "No, Tasteless, you're wrong".

I get that Artosis is the analytical caster, and Tasteless works off of that. But I honestly can't stand him a lot of the time when he's casting with anyone other than Artosis. He just seems utterly lost and doesn't really have any idea of how the game is playing out.

I'm not trying to bash or anything, I'm still a big fan of Tastosis. But its getting to the point where I'll happily switch away from his casting to an alternative stream is he's casting with anyone other than Artosis.
 
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 jmbthirteen   United States. February 27 2012 11:47. Posts 9610
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On February 27 2012 11:20 DarkPlasmaBall wrote:

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No, I don't think so.

But he has won every PPV tournament in sc2 history. how is that not PPV Bonjwa?!
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 DirtyCash   Canada. February 27 2012 11:49. Posts 186
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On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.


YES YES YES. Thanks for wording nicely the thoughts that my 3rd-language English cant express. The "500 gas" bit by Artosis was completely wrong. The whole game was poorly read, from that opening to the end, where both players knew full well it was over but the casters had no idea what was going on. I dont even blame Tasteless anymore at this point, he seems to follow anything Artosis starts, players bias included.
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 ShAdZ_ZX   Australia. February 27 2012 11:49. Posts 491
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On February 27 2012 11:45 jmbthirteen wrote:

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Actually I think Tastosis have gotten much better about it as in they are joking about it more now where before it seemed like they weren't. Look, Nestea is the Chuck Norris on sc2. Also now that they say these things to Nestea himself, its even funnier.


I agree, I was more talking in the past I suppose. Now that everyone is aware of it, they seem to do it now as a parody which I don't mind as much.
 
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 HeeroFX   United States. February 27 2012 11:51. Posts 1915
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 shadymmj   February 27 2012 11:53. Posts 1305
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you can hype players up...but don't bash any of them, especially when he clearly knows a lot more than you.
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 TheDougler   Canada. February 27 2012 11:55. Posts 5278
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On February 27 2012 11:16 windsupernova wrote:
Sigh do I need to remind people about this?

On a TL LR thread:

Victory on early game is due to cheese
Victory on mid game is due to N bases all ins
Victory on late game is due to imba

Nobody actually wins a match of starcraft here. They all just cheese, all in or when they actually win its because OP


Brilliant post lol
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 dabom88   United States. February 27 2012 11:56. Posts 3081
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Another thing about Artosis. He was wondering how DRG could lose when he was at 5 bases to MKP's 3?

He just got those 2 additional completed and they weren't saturated at all.
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  SpecFire   United States. February 27 2012 11:58. Posts 1681Profile # 

On February 27 2012 11:49 DirtyCash wrote:

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YES YES YES. Thanks for wording nicely the thoughts that my 3rd-language English cant express. The "500 gas" bit by Artosis was completely wrong. The whole game was poorly read, from that opening to the end, where both players knew full well it was over but the casters had no idea what was going on. I dont even blame Tasteless anymore at this point, he seems to follow anything Artosis starts, players bias included.


Quoted for truth. Tastosis bias is starting to get freaking annoying. but they dont care and they wont read this so it doesnt matter. and this goes for MMA too

MMA wins blizzard cup: "DRG should have won 6-7 of those games"
MMA wins GSL: MVP was tired
MMA rolls through ro 32 and 16: eh
Alive beats MMA while MMA is sick: BEST PLAYER OMG SO HOT BEST TVT OGMGMGMGMGM

fuck im so pisssed off about that
whatever, #rage
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 tdt   United States. February 27 2012 12:00. Posts 3096
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On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.

I'm not sure this or you belong here. Way to insightful and reasonable.xD.

I don't like to be negative to respected members like Tastosis but since you mentioned it - sometimes they are a little too off topic for me. I can handle them not liking MC/MKP and others but at least focus on game(s) and not talk about their irrelevant lives.
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 StarStruck   February 27 2012 12:00. Posts 18343
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On February 27 2012 11:19 TeeTS wrote:
It's really amazing how much people are posting here with no idea about how SC2 works.

1st: 12/14 rax vs Zerg: This is very economical opening, cause it forces the zerg to a lot of zerglings and at least one spine early on. therefore terran sacrifices some eco of his own, but it is worth it, if you have a good marine/scv control (and MKP has definately the best in the world, so this is a good opening for him per definiton!), you can expand easily behind that, since you still have a very good income due to constant scv production.

2nd: the fast 3rd in game 6: Did you ever think about what would've happened if DRG scouted the 3rd and made f.e. a roach attack on it early on? MKP did not slide a single scv to this base until he secured the entrance with a lot of siege tanks and marines. the timing of this base was so fast, that it would've been finished, when the roaches arrive there. And then he simply flies back to his natural or main and is fine, cause zerg sacrificed a lot of eco for an attack which didn't do anything because MKP was well defended with a bunker and already a tank out and siege mode nearly done.

MKP didn't play his absolute best, but was near to it, due to nerves as he mentioned. You should not forget that he had the Shakuras game in the bag, if he didn't make that huge blunder, overcomitting into DRG's natural, which made absolutely no sense and was a big sign, that he was nervous and wanted the game to end right there. To come back from such a disappointing lose shows a strong spirit and high skill. He mixed up very agressive styles, several builds and good economic openers. he controlled the final battle very well. DRG took a huge risk, teching this fast to hive and got punished for that.

Overall it was a good tournament, a good production, BUT yes: Where was the fucking winners ceremony. It would've been nice to see the Top 8 alltogether again. I think we have a great Top8 with nice players, that can be happy about really good performances, like violet or Huk (who made his personal little comeback, after doing not so well lately).

And yes. I didn't like Tastosis trashing on MKP even when he won. But they just don't like him, it's allways the same, if you watch the gsl, you know that. They never say a positive word about him, that really fits, only such general phrases like "he is solid, blabla", but are so critical about him (like this 500gas issue: HE wanted to go for dual upgrades, a siege tank and siegemode: these are 425 gas in total!!! And you complain about him having 500 gas? STUPID?). This is the only point I hate about Tastosis. These two are so biased. When Nestea or MVP play, everything they do is gloryfied to be genius, even it's totally common or simple. But MKP, he must've messed up with them. I actual don't know why, maybe they think his playstyle is gimmicky, or they blame him for his stupid decision making, which he showed for a period of time, or they just don't like his character. I DON'T KNOW, BUT PLEASE, don't let this affect your casting this much.

And finally, the best player in the world discussion: Can any1 say, that there is acutally a best player in the world right now? This is just not possible, because these very top guys are playing so much games between them in a short period of time, and taking games off each other day by day. Even naming a top10 could be hard right now, because there are so many good players out there. I think the top16 of the current GSL season makes a good top16 of the world with very little exceptions. But anything behind this, like a top 5 or so in any form, will be so questionable, that it doesn't make sense to discuss about it.


It's safe to say very few people actually know what's going on including Dan and Nick at times. Sometimes it's an injustice when you are trying to cater to a general audience and other times you just miss a few things or stumble out of the gate.

Shit happens.
 
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 metzcs   Austria. February 27 2012 12:04. Posts 11
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On February 27 2012 11:47 ShAdZ_ZX wrote:

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I mirror exactly what you had to say.

Artosis is an enjoyable as ever to listen too. But I'm quite over Tasteless to be perfectly honest.

As far back as about 3/4 through last year, I started noticing a lot of annoying aspects of his casting.

I'm not trying to judge or anything, there are plenty of reasons why he may not be able to cast to the ability that he used to. But its more so that he not only misreads many situations, but then Artosis is sort of forced to agree with him because he can't exactly say "No, Tasteless, you're wrong".

I get that Artosis is the analytical caster, and Tasteless works off of that. But I honestly can't stand him a lot of the time when he's casting with anyone other than Artosis. He just seems utterly lost and doesn't really have any idea of how the game is playing out.

I'm not trying to bash or anything, I'm still a big fan of Tastosis. But its getting to the point where I'll happily switch away from his casting to an alternative stream is he's casting with anyone other than Artosis.


I was only slightly annoyed over Tastosis's constant hyping of DRG heading into the finals and all, although in this case I'm admittedly a big MKP fan and tbf DRG had a great run this MLG and combined with his stellar results thus far this year did justify his position as clear favorite heading into the finals despite being down a series coming from the losers bracket.
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 zefreak   United States. February 27 2012 12:11. Posts 2613
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It seems to me that Tasteless is more swayed by cute micro than anything else. Was anyone else laughing when he said that Huk was playing better than DRG and was in a good position when DRG was 80 supply up and in a dominating position? The game ended probably 20 seconds later, and Tasteless just didn't know what happened.

I don't want to just bash the casters so I won't go into more detail, and I still rate him highly among professional casters. There is still room for improvement though, and I hope in another year we will look back on these early tournaments and have a laugh
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 shadymmj   February 27 2012 12:11. Posts 1305
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it's NOT okay for casters to pick the winner even before the games start!

if you have to have a favourite, at least balance it out - one roots for DRG, and one roots for MKP.

And seriously, why would you root against MKP. He's been around since forever, he has a trademark style that makes him very entertaining to watch, he basically (re)invented the extreme marine micro pressure thing - boxer's legacy, he has a huge list of achievements (although very few golds), and he's had some bad luck which kept him away from the golds. Basically he's in the top 5 korean club - other than mvp, mma, mc and nestea, who else would you pick?
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 KanoCoke   Australia. February 27 2012 12:16. Posts 635
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On February 27 2012 11:58 SpecFire wrote:
Quoted for truth. Tastosis bias is starting to get freaking annoying. but they dont care and they wont read this so it doesnt matter. and this goes for MMA too

MMA wins blizzard cup: "DRG should have won 6-7 of those games"
MMA wins GSL: MVP was tired
MMA rolls through ro 32 and 16: eh
Alive beats MMA while MMA is sick: BEST PLAYER OMG SO HOT BEST TVT OGMGMGMGMGM

fuck im so pisssed off about that
whatever, #rage


Quoted for truth. I can understand Artosis and Tasteless having favorites, but not giving people the props that they deserve, especially when they do a lot of impressive things for an extended period of time, is in poor taste. When there's too much bias for a certain person over the other in a broadcast it gets really annoying, and while a lot of people would end up wanting and expecting the person being constantly praised to win, I end up wanting to side with the one getting bashed or ignored.
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