On March 04 2012 08:17 kitaman27 wrote: blubbdavid has replaced Beorn1. Say hi!
Kitaman27 I would like to take this time to thank you for putting in all this effort to keep the game going and working even though almost half the roster was inactive. You`re doign a great job running/moderating the game keep it up.
<3
Well, I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
Night is almost half done, Lurkers still lurking. New people I know its alot of pressure but try to read the thread as quick as possible and form your opinions in post. The town is in dire state as of late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
willz22912 United States. March 04 2012 09:11. Posts 247
Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town. Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have.
On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote: My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though.
The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched.
The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried.
On March 04 2012 08:08 Mementoss wrote: This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia.
So DimmuKlok's proposal would have us naming scumlists, when nothing has happened and no one is going to have solid reads yet especially with all the new replacements, myself included. As shown in my quotes, this proposal is essentially one Mementoss proposed 2 days earlier. Mementoss then proceeds to support DimmuKlok as "confirmed town" with the game still at status quo. Can you elaborate on this? Throwing around confirm posts with no one being lynched or dead seems a little premature.
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
willz22912 United States. March 04 2012 09:11. Posts 247
This is all just a bit ridiculous now that we have all of these new people here. Any reads that we had on anyone are confirmed useless- since odds are the 'lack of response' was due to a lack of interest in the game. I'm not really going to bandwagon with anyone since its pretty much a very different game at this point... I'm not going to vote OtoshimonoU since he actually responded. He didn't vote yet was suspicious of people.. I think he's just bad town... I'm keeping my eyes on Sbrubbles since I'm considering that he is worried that the town are active and he wants to instill some doubt and hostility in us.. that could be because I just don't like him though? we will see what happens after the first night rolls around.
Maverick32x United States. March 04 2012 09:21. Posts 282
My mistake on voting early, just getting my thoughts out there. I agree with you Maverick that is just kind of a messed up situation all around with all the replacements. I think it might be more fair to just re-game if that's the majority opinion and people are frustrated.
We have 3 people just jumping in, and it puts a lot of pressure on us if we're new to post something constructive or remain a lurker.
If we are to continue playing as is, isn't it better to get rid of a bad town rather than risk a no-lynch again?
On March 04 2012 09:20 Maverick32x wrote: This is all just a bit ridiculous now that we have all of these new people here. Any reads that we had on anyone are confirmed useless- since odds are the 'lack of response' was due to a lack of interest in the game. I'm not really going to bandwagon with anyone since its pretty much a very different game at this point... I'm not going to vote OtoshimonoU since he actually responded. He didn't vote yet was suspicious of people.. I think he's just bad town... I'm keeping my eyes on Sbrubbles since I'm considering that he is worried that the town are active and he wants to instill some doubt and hostility in us.. that could be because I just don't like him though? we will see what happens after the first night rolls around.
What is your reasoning behind OtoshimonoU being bad town over scum? Also I have been keeping my eyes on bubbles too. But I was wondering your reasoning behind this as well, is this just accusing him because he was bringing up you??
My opinion on the replacements is yes its sketchy but regame is sketchy too as you'll bring all the biases of this game into it cause its the saame players yet there could be different roles. Also you can still use previous reads on people that replaced the role cause scum coulda made a big mistake before replacement and then the replacement has to cover it upo, either that or they were so lurker that there was no read on them anyways.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uu96xMwFVXw
Maverick32x United States. March 04 2012 09:50. Posts 282
I actually was writing "I think he is bad town since he didn't even vote", but then that actually makes him sound more like mafia.. Its just really difficult to do much without much to go on.. I guess I want to be careful about trying to take out people who are actually active haha
He responded pretty well when pressured, which I liked... I'll have to re-read through filters to talk more about it... Its still pretty early.. its not even the 2nd day yet...
As for Bubbles.. he just came in too hot to this whole thing.. I'm sure there is a lot of pressure to be subbed in mid-game.. but his "I know more than you" attitude just made me feel like he was trying to take over the group here rather quickly... start to influence and all.. I get the feeling that townies are more "community" focused.. trying to work with each other.... he just didn't strike me as a collaborator..
I'll play no matter what we do fyi.
DimmuKlok United States. March 04 2012 09:57. Posts 194
On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote: Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town. Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have.
On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote: My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though.
The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched.
The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried.
On March 04 2012 08:08 Mementoss wrote: This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia.
So DimmuKlok's proposal would have us naming scumlists, when nothing has happened and no one is going to have solid reads yet especially with all the new replacements, myself included. As shown in my quotes, this proposal is essentially one Mementoss proposed 2 days earlier. Mementoss then proceeds to support DimmuKlok as "confirmed town" with the game still at status quo. Can you elaborate on this? Throwing around confirm posts with no one being lynched or dead seems a little premature.
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
My idea and Mementoss's idea are actually very different. His idea was to force everyone into coming up with 2 very detailed cases on 2 different people. There were lots of problems with this plan. One of which he states right after he tells everyone the plan:
Important READ THIS This plan will be pointless unless ALL town posts, if even 1 town does not post, the mafia can remain silent. If all town posts this forces mafia to post and might cause a slip, if they don't post suspicion is brought upon them. Right now we have about 6 barely active players, even if they are town they aren't coming up with ideas or opinions. This hurts everyones reads on scum.
People who have already posted their reads, me, trackd00r, and maverick. Feel free to re look at your reads and repost, but this plan is more focused towards the no opinion/little content posting section.
Peace, hopefully this will further prove/enforce some of my reads.
All town need to participate and the cases need to be damn good or they will get accused. This meant that the mafia simply didn't have to participate and all it took was one town player to not put in the effort. If you were going to participate you needed to put in a lot of effort, therefor not many people contributed and the idea died. Not surprising considering 4 people didn't even put in the effort to vote, and at least one was town.
This idea has none of those problems. You can choose to benefit the town by making a more detailed post on your scum read, but you don't have to. What you do have to do is post. Don't, and we'll simply lynch you. I'm not going to lie, the major problem with this plan is that we can't lynch someone that we have a case on unless we are nearly 100% sure he is mafia. Simply because we need to have consequences for not participating, and that's getting lynched.
Even that one problem is minor, though. A townie will not want to be lynched, therefor he will at least post. That will continue to narrow down the list of lurkers until you would have to be stupid not to accuse someone in order to not get lynched. If everyone is smart, everyone will post, and we can get new information out there and everyone participating.
In the chance that we have 1-3 lurkers when it comes time to vote, we'll have to pick which we feel is the best to lynch. I don't see that happening though with how easy it is to keep yourself from getting lynched(Post a scum read). When and if there are no lurkers, we can go back to voting for who you want to lynch.
I FoS Oto for the reasons I said in my earlier post. Also, he was very suspicious of maverick and mementoss, but didn't vote. It could be that he is town but just forgot, but that's doubtful seeing as how everyone was talking about it. It's more likely that he chose not to vote. He has also not given an excuse or reason to why he didn't vote. I'm also keeping an eye on bubbles. He also was very defensive of oto and agreed with him about suspecting maverick (which no one else did). If we lynch one, then the other will most likely be the same alignment.
kitaman27 United States. March 04 2012 11:01. Posts 4560
Mementoss was showing off his killer moves when the putties decided to kick the crap out of him.
Mementoss the Black Ranger (vanilla townie) has died.
Well, I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff.
DimmuKlok United States. March 04 2012 11:44. Posts 194
Just an update: Rainmaker, Pablols, myself, Sufficiency, Sbrubbles, trackd00r, Oto, and blubbdavid have yet to post a scum read. You can expect mine tonight. I'll be looking forward to everyone elses.
Hey guys, I'm sorry I didn't vote and haven't posted for like a day. I had to study last minute for 2 exams... I'm glad it's over, I'll read the thread and post actively from now on . I'm confused though, what made Oto more suspicious than someone like Sufficiency? All he did was post one liner posts with no content. Just an idea, but what if the mafia were waiting for someone to vote for a townie and then went ahead and used their votes on him? I think there are at least 2 mafia among the ones who voted for oto on day 1, because honestly there wasn't enough info in my opinion to be sure he was scum.
Maverick32x United States. March 04 2012 12:11. Posts 282
Well... lets look at a couple possible motivations for this kill? Mementoss was definitely seen as a threat so lets look at what he's been saying and try to piece something together...
From Mafia perspective:
Mementoss was leading the charge against Oto... maybe they want us to retaliate by going after him? Or are they just trying to protect him?
Mementoss also was pressuring Pablol's a bit early on, maybe this was a revenge kill from him?
Also there was a lot of pressure directed at Sufficiency,,,..
What we can learn as town: Mementoss had a good read on Dim- if he was mafia, they wouldn't of killed Mementoss. I agree with Mementoss on that read.
Right now, my sights are set on Oto- finish what Mementoss started!!! Or brubbles... He seemed to leap out at me- yet didn't seem to say ANYTHING to mementoss who was sharing a lot of my reads also....
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