Website Feedback
Closed Threads
IRC Chat
irc.quakenet.org #teamliquid
IRC Web ClientTeamSpeak 3 (90 users) | |
|
| trackd00r Chile. March 07 2012 02:52. Posts 283 | Profile Blog # |
Well, that lynch didn't go good.
I agree with blubb, investigating Rain would be pretty much a waste. Instead, I suggest that the vigilante (if there's one) should consider shooting him. But as he might be mod killed any now, I don't know if is better to wait for a replacement before taking any further actions. Anyways, we can't ignore him completely, since there is a very good chance that he turns scum, specially now that Oto flipped town.
I have some suspicions against gunman103. Will post analysis shortly.
Pablols is lurking pretty hard. |
| | ''They put signs, but I can't read'' |
|
|
| DimmuKlok United States. March 07 2012 03:03. Posts 194 | Profile # |
Why I called out Willz:
On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote:
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new).
On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?...
...Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency.
He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post.
On March 05 2012 04:23 willz22912 wrote:
Just saw that OtoshimonoU just voted for himself, I think he's just giving up at this point because it's too hard to defend yourself if everyone already is on you. If he is that uninterested in the game, lynching him now seems really pointless and won't give any information.
He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this:
On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote:
Okay, took a look at the responses.
We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active.
I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU...
I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much.
That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it.
This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of...
On March 06 2012 08:15 willz22912 wrote:
Adding on/clarifying for my last sentence. If it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU again, then yeah we may as well see what his flipping will give us for information.
I guess I'll just switch my vote to OtoshimonoU now to make sure it goes through, but I still think it's a mistake.
This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information.
On March 06 2012 09:22 willz22912 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:36 Maverick32x wrote:
I know I say 'significantly' like its a huge amount of people, but I really think that it clears both sufficiency (who I'm HIGHLY suspicious of, and burbbles) Which is a larger step than we've taken so far... and I'm sure if we look at the filters we may be able to pull some conclusions as well... one of the things that would confuse me if he flipped town.. why killl Mementoss? Either way, we'll have some answers in a couple hours...
See this is what bugs me. It really doesn't clear anyone. Sufficiency is currently voting for a no lynch and Sbrubbles is voting Rainmaker. How is OtoshimonoU flipping green going to clear them when if they were Mafia, they would know if OtoshimonoU is town and if we have enough votes without Mafia pitching in to get rid of him. We have multiple people who were already dead set on OtoshimonoU, and then we have a couple others (myself included) who are willing to switch our votes to make sure a lynch 100% goes through. Now we have at least 3 people who are not voting OtoshimonoU. If we didn't have the swing votes, the lynch wouldn't go through AGAIN. This is clearly what the Mafia wants, us to be indecisive and confused while we keep losing key members during the night. If we mis-lynch we mis-lynch, but don't overstate how much information we're going to get. I already stated my opinion on Mementoss being targetted earlier as well, I think it was more he was the most active poster than for anyone in particular he had suspicions on.
This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up.
After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either. |
|
|
| Maverick32x United States. March 07 2012 04:36. Posts 282 | Profile # |
Dim... I like that post.. a lot...
I need to kind of reorientate myself to the game however, since I put a lot of my stock in Oto flipping Mafia... I think I had a lot of assumptions built up around that...
Now lets get down to some reads...
-Rainmaker is the ultimate lurker. I'm not sure if this means he is scum? But its a big problem for me. He hasn't really engaged very much in the game, but still seems to just be 'around' and off a lot of people's radars. (mine at least).
- trackd00r- An interesting player to say the least...Early on he was big into going after oto and getting that ball rolling... However, notice that on the second day he switches his vote to Rainmaker? One thing that I found 'townie' about trackd00r, is his blatent accusations. I feel like if he is mafia, these will come back to haunt him. For example, he accusses both Oto and Rainmaker very hard. If we find out that he is Mafia, chances are that he wouldn't be posting such an accusatory post at his own team... so again, we are able to narrow down our possible suspects.... Obviously his read on Rainmaker is consistent with a lot of us, and seems justified... It does make me wonder if the people who are targetting rainmaker are just using the 'lurking' as an excuse to target a townie? Though apparently the general consensus is that lurkers= scum..
Thats all I got for right now- actually need to do work at work.. (imagine that..)
One thing that I'm really banking on is that we can catch a mafia SOON.... I really think that will only take 1 to start unravelling this mess...
I guess in terms of FoS- Rainmaker? Due to excessive lurking behaviors? I'm really not committed to that however, and I've obviously was wrong on the last one.. so I'm willing to get a couple more reads before deciding on anyone.... |
|
|
| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 07 2012 05:15. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
You read on Willz more full of holes than everyone else's read on Otoshi.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote:Why I called out Willz:
Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote:
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new).
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?...
...Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency.
He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post.
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 04:23 willz22912 wrote:
Just saw that OtoshimonoU just voted for himself, I think he's just giving up at this point because it's too hard to defend yourself if everyone already is on you. If he is that uninterested in the game, lynching him now seems really pointless and won't give any information.
He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this:
As you say yourself, none of this is incriminating. What happened is that he thought there was a case against Otoshi then changed his mind, as I was hoping the rest of you would also. Saying he would gain "no information" is an obvious exageration, with which I agreed to in principle. It was not clear Otoshi was mafia, there would be little information gained from him being mafia and no point in killing him otherwise.
On March 04 2012 00:49 Sbrubbles wrote:
1) If Otoshi ends up being mafia, there may be mafia among Pablols, Tiystus and Beorn. Then again, they may just have been townies who just forgot about the voting, thought the case was weak (like me) or refused to bandwagon.
2) If Otoshi ends up being town, we can be almost 100% sure Pablols, Tiystus, and Beorn are also town. Then again, they may have been mafia who just forgot about the voting or the mafia among them decided to not vote for Otoshi in order to build trust with the town. Still, I find both these alternatives very unlikely because a) being mafia (or a town PR, for that matter) is more exiting, so if you're gonna lurk you're gonna do it on purpose and sure as hell you aren't gonna miss a mandatory vote, risking a modkill and b) the mafia avoiding a free lynching to build up town cred is a weak idea at this point of the game.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote:
Okay, took a look at the responses.
We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active.
I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU...
I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much.
That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it.
This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of...
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:15 willz22912 wrote:
Adding on/clarifying for my last sentence. If it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU again, then yeah we may as well see what his flipping will give us for information.
I guess I'll just switch my vote to OtoshimonoU now to make sure it goes through, but I still think it's a mistake.
This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information.
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 09:22 willz22912 wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:36 Maverick32x wrote:
I know I say 'significantly' like its a huge amount of people, but I really think that it clears both sufficiency (who I'm HIGHLY suspicious of, and burbbles) Which is a larger step than we've taken so far... and I'm sure if we look at the filters we may be able to pull some conclusions as well... one of the things that would confuse me if he flipped town.. why killl Mementoss? Either way, we'll have some answers in a couple hours...
See this is what bugs me. It really doesn't clear anyone. Sufficiency is currently voting for a no lynch and Sbrubbles is voting Rainmaker. How is OtoshimonoU flipping green going to clear them when if they were Mafia, they would know if OtoshimonoU is town and if we have enough votes without Mafia pitching in to get rid of him. We have multiple people who were already dead set on OtoshimonoU, and then we have a couple others (myself included) who are willing to switch our votes to make sure a lynch 100% goes through. Now we have at least 3 people who are not voting OtoshimonoU. If we didn't have the swing votes, the lynch wouldn't go through AGAIN. This is clearly what the Mafia wants, us to be indecisive and confused while we keep losing key members during the night. If we mis-lynch we mis-lynch, but don't overstate how much information we're going to get. I already stated my opinion on Mementoss being targetted earlier as well, I think it was more he was the most active poster than for anyone in particular he had suspicions on.
This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either.
After he changed his mind, it's pretty clear he had the same opinion as me, that Otoshi would be a mislynch. The thing is, we dissagreed in that he thought a no-lynch would be worse than lynching a townie, a view that most of you seemed to agree on.
The fact that you're trying to get someone else investigated instead of trying to rebuke my read on you is more telling to me than anything else. I have strong feelings on you and probably Rain being two of our three scums.
If we have a DT, it should be pretty clear who he needs to check up on. Whichever one of you two look closer to getting lynched on day 3 already has my vote.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2012 02:52 trackd00r wrote:
Well, that lynch didn't go good.
I agree with blubb, investigating Rain would be pretty much a waste. Instead, I suggest that the vigilante (if there's one) should consider shooting him. But as he might be mod killed any now, I don't know if is better to wait for a replacement before taking any further actions. Anyways, we can't ignore him completely, since there is a very good chance that he turns scum, specially now that Oto flipped town.
I have some suspicions against gunman103. Will post analysis shortly.
Pablols is lurking pretty hard.
If we had a vigilante, there would probably have been already two deaths in one night. That or he's choosing to not shoot anyone or our medic is a miracle worker. Also, I would appreciate to hear what you say on gunman. I feel Rain and Dimmu are strongly implicated as mafia and he would fit the picture well as the third mafia (though currently I'm reading him as null, at least without taking Rain and Dimmu into account). I had suspicion on Maverick, but the way he seemed emotionally invested in taking down Otoshi took him a bit off my radar. |
| | ZURGLINGS IN MAI BEISS !!! |
|
|
| Maverick32x United States. March 07 2012 05:36. Posts 282 | Profile # |
Brubbles-
Can you explain a bit more about why you think Dim is suspicious? I see a lot of flipflopping in willz's posts, and I do see where Dim is coming from with his reasoning. I don't think that is completely fabricated....
Also I'll take a moment to look through Dim's filter.... His posts are pretty 'pro-town'... He actively defended Mementoss (who was town), and is really anti-lurker in his posts. Also he matches your suspicion on Rainmaker....
How do we start to look at a lurker such as Rainmaker to try to figure out what our next steps are? Is this dependent on a DT? If we start to look at lurkers as our next target, Rainmaker is the only one that really fits that role the best...
As for being suspicous of me- I was really stubborn with that Oto lynch, and I regret that. I tunnel-visioned my way into a town lynch and I'm not pleased with that.... |
|
|
| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 07 2012 05:42. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 05:36 Maverick32x wrote:
Brubbles-
Can you explain a bit more about why you think Dim is suspicious? I see a lot of flipflopping in willz's posts, and I do see where Dim is coming from with his reasoning. I don't think that is completely fabricated....
Also I'll take a moment to look through Dim's filter.... His posts are pretty 'pro-town'... He actively defended Mementoss (who was town), and is really anti-lurker in his posts. Also he matches your suspicion on Rainmaker....
How do we start to look at a lurker such as Rainmaker to try to figure out what our next steps are? Is this dependent on a DT? If we start to look at lurkers as our next target, Rainmaker is the only one that really fits that role the best...
As for being suspicous of me- I was really stubborn with that Oto lynch, and I regret that. I tunnel-visioned my way into a town lynch and I'm not pleased with that....
I wrote a big post on it yesterday. Here it is again:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 23:56 Sbrubbles wrote:I do see a case for lynching Rain when day 3 comes, given his lurking habit, his lack of good posts even when he was posting and his vote for Otoshi on day 1. BUT, knowing that we can still afford a possible mis-lynch tomorrow, I think the DT should investigate Dimmu instead, and here I'll make my case: + Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2012 06:50 DimmuKlok wrote:Bandwagoning with Sufficiency actually had nothing to do with Sufficiency at all. When Sufficiency posted that he wanted to lynch Beorn, I quickly agreed and threw my vote on him. This was done in order to pressure Beorn out of hiding. In the post I hint at exactly what I want him to do, and that's to "contribute and say who he feels is a good lynch candidate". I suspected him as scum so his response was going to give me a lot of information. I even make another post to put the pressure back on Beorn and get some information out of him here:
Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 05:06 DimmuKlok wrote:
Beorn, we're still waiting for your case on who to lynch. When you decide to start contributing, please also give me your opinion on Rainmaker and what you think about my read on him.
My vote was not initially intended for Beorn, nor did I intend to keep it on him, because I didn't think he would get enough votes before the deadline. I'm changing my vote to Oto, who I originally intended on voting for.
1) Begins day 1 voting for blubbdavid, the biggest lurker at the time "just to bring him out of hiding" and, once there were 4 votes on Otoshi (thus a good chance of getting rid of him), he switches his vote "to who he originally intended"! In fact, he doesn't explain anywhere why he's voting for Otoshi, except for saying it was who he originally intended on voting for! + Show Spoiler +
On March 04 2012 09:57 DimmuKlok wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:
Based on my little list above, I would like to purpose a Plan to the Town.
Since voting is in the next 24 hours, I would like every one to post their top 2 scum reads within the next 12 hours. I want to know why they are your scum reads, quoting someone elses opinion is not acceptable. Must be backed up by some evidence, filter quotes, pyscological reasons why they would say that if they were scum, why their behaviour is scummy etc. Many people have said will post later scum opinions and never have.
On March 04 2012 07:44 DimmuKlok wrote:
My idea on fixing this problem is to force everyone post who they believe to be scum. All it needs to be is one person, and you don't have to put any effort into it if you don't want to. There's nothing against actually trying though.
The reason this idea works is because it's so easy. Mafia can easily participate in any way they feel fit, but they are forced to participate. It also brings back discussion with updated information. Comply or be lynched.
The only way I see this being exploited is if someone makes a simple post on someone and then lurks until it's lynching time. This behavior should be pretty easy to spot and pointed out by one of us, so I'm not too worried.
On March 04 2012 08:08 Mementoss wrote:
This post pretty much confirms town on DimmuKlok's part. All his posts have good content in it, and the game was at a current state where lurking was the majority and mafia could sit back and laugh to victory as for almost 6 hours since the lynch nothing significant has been posted. Not that many people have been claiming DimmuKlok as mafia, but I want to go back and check who actually did call DimmuKlok mafia.
So DimmuKlok's proposal would have us naming scumlists, when nothing has happened and no one is going to have solid reads yet especially with all the new replacements, myself included. As shown in my quotes, this proposal is essentially one Mementoss proposed 2 days earlier. Mementoss then proceeds to support DimmuKlok as "confirmed town" with the game still at status quo. Can you elaborate on this? Throwing around confirm posts with no one being lynched or dead seems a little premature. For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere. ##Vote OtoshimonoU
My idea and Mementoss's idea are actually very different. His idea was to force everyone into coming up with 2 very detailed cases on 2 different people. There were lots of problems with this plan. One of which he states right after he tells everyone the plan:
Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 10:37 Mementoss wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Important READ THIS
This plan will be pointless unless ALL town posts, if even 1 town does not post, the mafia can remain silent. If all town posts this forces mafia to post and might cause a slip, if they don't post suspicion is brought upon them. Right now we have about 6 barely active players, even if they are town they aren't coming up with ideas or opinions. This hurts everyones reads on scum.
People who have already posted their reads, me, trackd00r, and maverick. Feel free to re look at your reads and repost, but this plan is more focused towards the no opinion/little content posting section.
Peace, hopefully this will further prove/enforce some of my reads.
All town need to participate and the cases need to be damn good or they will get accused. This meant that the mafia simply didn't have to participate and all it took was one town player to not put in the effort. If you were going to participate you needed to put in a lot of effort, therefor not many people contributed and the idea died. Not surprising considering 4 people didn't even put in the effort to vote, and at least one was town. This idea has none of those problems. You can choose to benefit the town by making a more detailed post on your scum read, but you don't have to. What you do have to do is post. Don't, and we'll simply lynch you. I'm not going to lie, the major problem with this plan is that we can't lynch someone that we have a case on unless we are nearly 100% sure he is mafia. Simply because we need to have consequences for not participating, and that's getting lynched. Even that one problem is minor, though. A townie will not want to be lynched, therefor he will at least post. That will continue to narrow down the list of lurkers until you would have to be stupid not to accuse someone in order to not get lynched. If everyone is smart, everyone will post, and we can get new information out there and everyone participating. In the chance that we have 1-3 lurkers when it comes time to vote, we'll have to pick which we feel is the best to lynch. I don't see that happening though with how easy it is to keep yourself from getting lynched(Post a scum read). When and if there are no lurkers, we can go back to voting for who you want to lynch.
2) Night 1 and Day 2, besides once again not explaining his vote for Otoshi, his posts are either filler, or the discussion he had with Mementoss about lack of participation, which is not exactly what you would call "productive". But hey! At least he hedged his bets! + Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 04:08 DimmuKlok wrote:
Oto is either a useless towny or mafia, I'm voting for him. I tried to get more information out of him before we lynch him, but he apparently has 0 reads...
On March 06 2012 22:47 DimmuKlok wrote:
Investigate Rainmaker first and foremost. The others you guys are curious of look like you're trying to find the scum that's trying to stay in the light. If that was the case, I'd be taking a closer look at Willz... Just sayin
3) Besides the potshot at Willz (who I feel is town for not lynching Otto day 1, or at the very least null), he takes to accusing Rain. But Rain is already under heavy suspicion, and is a prime target for tomorrow, so I wouldn't find it strange for at least one of his buddies to bus (sacrifice) him in order to look townish. 4) Also note that there may be a Godfather in the game. If Rain is a Godfather, it would be textbook mafia play to try to get the DT to investigate him. So, in summary, I think we should investigate Dimmu today, possibly lynch Rain tommorow and look for the 3rd mafia.
|
| | ZURGLINGS IN MAI BEISS !!! |
|
|
| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 07 2012 05:46. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
| Oh, and add to that what I see as a crappy read of Willis, based, if anything, on the fact that Willis changed his mind on Otoshi (which I outlined above). Noting, of course, that Dimmu never, at any point, explained why he was voting for Otoshi. |
| | ZURGLINGS IN MAI BEISS !!! |
|
|
| Maverick32x United States. March 07 2012 06:13. Posts 282 | Profile # |
One issue is that Willz took over for Tiystus after Day 1.. so he couldn't of voted for Oto...
I hadn't noticed that switch after a lot of votes on Oto though.. thats a good read. So you're suggesting that he assumed that Oto would of been lynched that first day, so he just changed to avoid suspicion.. pretty much what he is accusing Willz of doing? I do get a feeling that mafia would accuse others of behaviors that they themselves are doing...
I must not of read that post thoroughly, so I appreciate the repost... fits in well with your latest..... |
|
|
| blubbdavid Switzerland. March 07 2012 06:38. Posts 2241 | Profile Blog # |
Well I have to agree with Sbrubbles on this case. The townier between the two players is willz imo.
I especially like this post of him, where he stems himself against the odds, I am baffled that Dimmu didn't include it in his analysis.
On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote:
After reading the latest responses, I'm now a bit baffled. The majority opinion is that either Sufficiency or OtoshimonoU are scum, and that those are our two choices for a lynch. So here are my thoughts on them.
My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?
My opinion on Sufficiency: Looking through his filter, he also seems pretty apathetic. Mostly one line responses, nothing substantial, hasn't posted on his reads at all either. He originally targets OtoshimonoU and then later switches to beorn1 a lurker who has since been replaced. Both of these are easy decisions to make to seem town, but he hasn't commented on anyone else. Still highly suspicious behavior, and I'd be more willing to lynch Sufficiency first than to stay on the majority opinion of OtoshimonoU.
If we have 48 hours for this day cycle, we need to give time for the accused to start responding, especially to the new replacements, so we can get better/updated reads.
We have to lynch someone to try and gain more information, and having two easy suspects is fine for that, but I'd be leery that this is what mafia wants, us to mis-lynch while being directed by someone who is masquerading as one of the most active town posters.
Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency.
It states pretty much how Oto would have felt as a townie on the edge. While I see that you guys suspect him of knowing more than other, it doesn't make sense to defend Oto like that. He could have easily bandwaggoned, but chose not to.
So let's list our DT cases:
1) willz
+ Show Spoiler +first suspected, then defended Oto
Always talks about how Oto is town, it could be that he knows more than others. But paradoxically, he doesn't use that inf against Oto, but for him.
2) Dimmu
+ Show Spoiler +pushin mostly against lurkers his view on Oto:
On March 06 2012 04:08 DimmuKlok wrote:
Oto is either a useless towny or mafia, I'm voting for him. I tried to get more information out of him before we lynch him, but he apparently has 0 reads...
So despite admiting that there is a chance that Oto is town, you vote for him?
3) bluelightz
+ Show Spoiler +I have posted my opinion on him earlier.
Atm I am leaning against Dimmu.
+ Show Spoiler +aghh, I have been lurking in this thread for hours now, watching the discussion unfold. It was pretty hard to come up with something useful and make a decision. It's a pity that we only have Mav's, Dimmu's and Brubble's view on the willz case. |
| | What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God |
|
|
| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 07 2012 06:40. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 06:13 Maverick32x wrote:
One issue is that Willz took over for Tiystus after Day 1.. so he couldn't of voted for Oto...
I hadn't noticed that switch after a lot of votes on Oto though.. thats a good read. So you're suggesting that he assumed that Oto would of been lynched that first day, so he just changed to avoid suspicion.. pretty much what he is accusing Willz of doing? I do get a feeling that mafia would accuse others of behaviors that they themselves are doing...
I must not of read that post thoroughly, so I appreciate the repost... fits in well with your latest.....
No, my line of thought is that he switched into voting for Otoshi to try to lynch him after it was clear that a bandwagon was under way (like he did day 2). Of course, it wasn't enough on day 1 because we had 3 people (discounting myself and Otoshi, of course) who failed to vote. His initial vote was Beorn. For reference:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2012 10:03 kitaman27 wrote:
Day One Final Count
OtoshimonoU -6
trackd00r
Mementoss
Rainmaker5
Maverick32x
DimmuKlok
gunman103
Beorn1 -1
DimmuKlok
Sufficiency
Tiystus -0
gunman103
No Lynch-1
Sbrubbles
Pablols, Tiystus, OtoshimonoU, Beorn1 have all failed to vote. I will be pming them to see if they require a replacement. If I'm unable to do so, they will be modkilled.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 10:35 kitaman27 wrote:
Day Two Tally
OtoshimonoU -7
willz22912
blubbdavid
Maverick32x
OtoshimonoU
gunman103
Sufficiency
Pablols
DimmuKlok
willz22912
Sufficiency -0
willz22912
No lynch -1
Sufficiency
Rainmaker5-2
Sbrubbles
trackd00r
Rainmaker5 still need to vote. Thirty minutes remain
|
| | ZURGLINGS IN MAI BEISS !!! |
|
|
| trackd00r Chile. March 07 2012 08:36. Posts 283 | Profile Blog # |
My following thoughts are regarding Gunman103.
This analysis is not focused in wording, but rather the way he weird way the approaches and lynches and his flippy/floppy behavior in general.
I need to say that Gunman has been the least innovative player in the thread until the last post he made. By the same standards, he has been the most bandwagony as well.
His first posts in the game are the usual fluffy lynch policies stuff. I won't bother in covering that.
Do you remember the sniped vote incident?
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2012 08:35 Mementoss wrote:Gunman, did you honestly think this would go un-noticed? I thought I would go eat and give you time to give some time to give reasoning in the thread. Its been a half hour. You'd think you would post reasoning before running straight to the vote thread. You do realize voting without trying to at least convince your case/state your opinions in the thread is very suspicious play? The below is hardly reasoning.
Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 11:54 gunman103 wrote:
#1 Tiystus- He was fine with randomly killing someone early on but then changes his mind later. Seems like one of his scum friends told him what to say. He also never seems to make a decision on anything.
.
This vote seems very selfish, and mafia motivated. Give some more reasoning behind this choice and why is this vote a better vote than OtoshmonoU? Why didn't you like the OtoshmonoU evidence that was given by a couple different people in this thread. It seems like you wanted vote without bringing attention to yourself, and to split the town into a no-lynch situation.
Show nested quote +On March 01 2012 14:11 gunman103 wrote:
DimmuKlok is right. If we have to do a lynch without a strong case, lynching a lurker would be more effective than a RL seeing as how most mafia are lurkers. Also, lets wait before we decide to lynch someone because we don't need to worry about it right now.
You even said it yourself, if your going to lynch you need a strong case. What is your strong case in this situation? Later in the above quote you said lynching a lurker would be better than lynching without a strong case, however your reasoning behind voting tiystus didn't mention anything about you thinking him, because he was a lurker. And if you were to vote for a lurker, wouldn't Beorn be a better case as he has the least amount of posts, and has given no kind of read yet? Your move gunman.
His reply:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2012 08:56 gunman103 wrote:
Alright, I'll change my vote. I suppose I didn't really get a good enough read on oto and focused to much on lurkers. Now that I look at his posts, he does look suspicious. I suppose I thought that lynching a lurker would be better than killing a potential town because lynching a lurker wouldn't actually hurt us all that much because they don't add anything to the discussion, where as if we he turns out to be town, we wouldn't get his input.
What is really weird here is that he didn't even tried to make any justification regarding that vote to Tiystus. He was practically overwhelmed by mementoss with a simple ''Alright, I'll change my vote.'' This is just wrong. As a town player you need to push your reads and make a clear decision.
His read on Tiystus then was weak. He claimed that he was focusing too much on lurkers. Tiystus right then was NOT the biggest lurker so far. Oto was actually worse than Tiy. He even says that he didn't really took a look to Oto. If I remember, you said you would focus on the lurkers and you completely missed Oto case. That could mean that you either did not follow the thread correctly or you knew oto was town, if you know what I mean.
I asked him for an explanation why he wants to lynch oto:
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 03 2012 09:50 gunman103 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 03 2012 09:10 trackd00r wrote:
Wow, nice find mementoss.
Gunman, now tell us why you want to lynch oto. You haven't given a reason why yet.
The main reason I am voting for him is because of what he said in this post + Show Spoiler +
Just a small opinion, Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs . I read Maverick's post and feel he has absolute trust and certainty in Mementoss's accusations and posts. Maybe they just have a connection and my theory is wrong. It's true that they do have a connection and it does to me, seem very strong even if they might be just fellow towns that understand each other's logic. I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts. So what I see Mementoss has been giving pressure and Maverick is the back up. As scums they have nothing to gain by saying nothing and not gaining the control of the situation whenever. Those two have most likely the highest amount of posts that will swerve opinions over people. Also Maverick, you need to write something about your own behaviors in your own organization sheet or you just seem to avoid any fault in your own posts.
"Mr.Maverick and Mementoss are controlling the game and thoughts of the game in the Town's perspective. It's possible that they are using an aggressive method of mafia using long persuasive paragraphs" It seems to me like he was trying to turn the town against the ones who were directing and keeping the town on track at the time. It seemed like he was trying to destabilize the whole town by getting rid of Maverick and Mementoss, allowing the mafia to just lurk as we fought among ourselves. "I don't feel the suspicion from neither lurkers nor the accused, they are just new and will not be able to write long constructive ideas without a single clue of evidence nor understanding the underlying message of people's posts." It seems as though he is defending his mafia friends using the argument that they are new and will naturally stay quiet, a weak argument imo. Even if he is town, I don't follow his logic because lurkers are almost always bad and usually shouldn't be tolerated because they add nothing to the game.
Look how unsure is he of his actions. Why wasn't he so wishy/washy when he attempted to lynch Tiystus? I need to add that this reasoning was exactly the same as Dimmuklok and I gave. These arguments were loosely based on ours. This is not contributing, is bandwagoning.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 02 2012 12:59 gunman103 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 02 2012 12:45 Sufficiency wrote:
I say we lynch OtoshimonoU or gunman103
Can you at least give us a reason for wanting to lynch me and Oto?
Here he called out Sufficiency. He never pressured him again after that.
On March 04 2012 10:43 gunman103 wrote:
I FoS Oto for the reasons I said in my earlier post. Also, he was very suspicious of maverick and mementoss, but didn't vote. It could be that he is town but just forgot, but that's doubtful seeing as how everyone was talking about it. It's more likely that he chose not to vote. He has also not given an excuse or reason to why he didn't vote. I'm also keeping an eye on bubbles. He also was very defensive of oto and agreed with him about suspecting maverick (which no one else did). If we lynch one, then the other will most likely be the same alignment.
Now he says then he is keeping an eye on bubbles. Zero reads/analysis/cases as well
But this is the post that kinda blew me away:
On March 06 2012 13:40 gunman103 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 11:41 Maverick32x wrote:
So I'll stick to my theory that Sbrubbles and Sufficiency are probably not mafia based on their opportunity to kill Oto on the first night and passing it up.. that leaves:
trackd00r
Rainmaker5
Maverick32x
DimmuKlok
gunman103
As some of our *active* possible culprits...Obviously the lurkers make it difficult... but there's some thoughts!!
Out of all of the people you listed, Rainmaker is definetly most suspicious and the most likely to be scum. I propose that we lynch rainmaker when day 3 comes around. Even if he is town, which he probably isn't, what are we really going to lose? A useless lurker who hasn't posted anything in almost 3 real life days, who also promised an analysis that never came. I really doubt that trackdoor and maverick are scum. If we lynched either of them, it would be a loss for all of us. It is possible that dimmuklok is scum, but again, it's doubtful compared to rainmaker. As for me, make up your own mind, but I think rainmaker should certainly be the next person to look hard at.
1) They very fast and openly willing way of him trying to push a lynch, compared with his previous 'accusations'. He tries to look so, but so confident trying to push this lynch. And again, me and other players already started being suspicious of him. Again, repeating the same ideas we have made.
2) Why didn't he notice that bubbles weren't on that list when he actually in the past he wanted to keep an eye on him?
3) He says that Dimmuklok could be scum, but the justification he uses is to retract his fact is rain case. He didn't even bothered to say why does he looks scummy. Instead, jumped straight out to Rain.
So, to sum it up, gunman has been really uncooperative. He doesn't push out his suspicions. He throws off names instead and jump in what's hot.
This case can be supported with the fact of Mementoss death. His previous suspicions on Gum might have triggered the alarm to mafia, rather and his activity.
---------------------------------------------------
I'm reading Willz case now. Sorry If I took too long posting this anyways. Damn you homework... |
| | ''They put signs, but I can't read'' |
|
|
| willz22912 United States. March 07 2012 09:34. Posts 247 | Profile # |
It's always interesting to see a different opinion of what you wrote presented, I agree with DimmuKlok in that I do look suspicious for switching my vote so often but strongly disagree that I was trying to hide my malicious intent, my only response is to post my thought processes during each post that I have made.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 07 2012 03:03 DimmuKlok wrote:Why I called out Willz:
Show nested quote +On March 04 2012 09:11 willz22912 wrote:
For now, based on our last vote counts, we can still vote OtoshimonoU off since he hasn't been modkilled or replaced and hasn't defended himself against the claims presented towards him. Refute any of my points if inconsistent, I'm still new and may be missing logic somewhere.
##Vote OtoshimonoU
Willz was the first person to vote for Oto. In this post he states clearly that he's completely ok with the current case on Oto and willing to lynch him. He even throws in a scapegoat for funzies(He's new).
Show nested quote +On March 05 2012 04:19 willz22912 wrote:
My opinion on OtoshimonoU: The active players were already pushing for OtoshimonoU's lynch prior to the replacements, with mementoss being targetted and flipping green, it doesn't make sense to me that Mafia would accept OtoshimonoU getting lynched in response unless he didn't want to play anymore, I would like to hear from him to see if he is actually still going to be active before I throw my vote. It feels like a mislynch to me because OtoshimonoU hasn't given much in the way for defense, it seems more apathetic than really bad scum play. As quoted, blubbdavid's post suggests that he is more of a bandwagoner than anything truly malicious, and everyone that is bandwagoning in response on him seems like it is being directed by one of the active mafia posters posing as town. Now I am new to Mafia, but if everyone is already against you, how can you defend yourself without incurring claims of OMGUS?...
...Final opinion: Give time for the accused to respond, but otherwise, I'm voting Sufficiency.
He then states here, as confusingly as possible, that he thinks lynching Oto would be a mislynch. Later in the post saying he's more ok with a Sufficiency lynch than Oto, because of Blubbdavids post.
Here at the beginning, I point out that I have not played a single game of Mafia, and even worse I am a replacement coming in after a really poor Day1. I had no direct interaction with anyone, I was under the burden of making a case based on what was already written, and based on that I agreed with the OtoshimonoU case and supported it.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 05 2012 04:23 willz22912 wrote:Just saw that OtoshimonoU just voted for himself, I think he's just giving up at this point because it's too hard to defend yourself if everyone already is on you. If he is that uninterested in the game, lynching him now seems really pointless and won't give any information.He's now sure that Oto is town and lynching him will give no information. I bolded it for importance. If Oto was mafia, obviously him getting lynched would give us plenty of information. All of these point of views are not incriminating yet, but important to keep in mind when you read this:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:12 willz22912 wrote:
Okay, took a look at the responses.
We definitely have to get a successful lynch off on someone today otherwise mafia gets another free kill and we're still clueless. My top suspect so far is still Sufficiency, he still hasn't contributed anything meaningful and hasn't responded to any of the new accusations brought upon him. The other suspects proposed are OtoshimonoU and Rainmaker because he hasn't been active.
I'm inclined to just leave OtoshimonoU alone for another day and vote someone else like Sufficiency or Rainmaker, but you guys are seriously pushing for OtoshimonoU...
I am 90% confident that if we do decide to lynch OtoshimonoU he will flip green making the situation completely muddled. Better to get rid of someone who is barely active than a ridiculously easy target. If mafia were really pushing for his lynch than as stated, why has the vote been so hard to pull off? 3 Mafia + bandwagoning townies would have made it easy, the most likely reasoning is that we had too many lurkers fail to vote. That doesn't mean the Mafia are targetting him, that means that they are most likely content to just let us go after a mis-lynch on our own without trying to influence us too much.
That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it.
This is where he begins to try to prove his innocence, while still getting rid of Oto. When you read this post, it's made very clear to you that he thinks Oto is green. I'd go even further to say that he knows that he's green. But alas, "That being said, I will be willing to switch to the OtoshimonoU vote if people are dead set on it, and we need my vote. I will state for the record that I am against this, but if it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU then we have no choice, and can try and gain information from it." Yea, lets get that information out of him that you said there wasn't any of...
Here is after OtoshimonoU finally responded (by voting for himself) after not even trying to defend himself with any critique on the analysis done against him. This changed my opinion on him to being a townie with everyone against him rather than a true Mafia. That opinion was stated, but I also acknowledge that it is suspicious of me to flip-flop by agreeing in the beginning, changing my vote to Sufficiency, and then changing back to OtoshimonoU to make sure the vote goes through. I should have been more steadfast in my opinion and continued to vote against OtoshimonoU once I made my position/thoughts clear. I now know better for the future.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 08:15 willz22912 wrote:
Adding on/clarifying for my last sentence. If it's a choice between a no-lynch and OtoshimonoU again, then yeah we may as well see what his flipping will give us for information.
I guess I'll just switch my vote to OtoshimonoU now to make sure it goes through, but I still think it's a mistake.
This post was made immediately after. He has the inherent feeling that he needs to defend his choice without anyone accusing him. Remember, it's for the information.
As stated above, I posted that I believed with a 90% certainty that OtoshimonoU was town based on his reactions to the accusations and keeping in mind everyone is a general newbie. I was trying to empathize with his situation and see that I would probably have done the exact same thing in his case, because the momentum was completely against me and it was already too late to convince any of the replacements of my innocence. That being said, my posts were as a response to Maverick, arguing with him over OtoshimonoU's case, and debating the amount of information to be gained. My opinion was that it was too late to try and save OtoshimonoU, even though I personally believed in his innocence. In that case, a mis-lynch would at least show that he was town, and cast suspicion on those who initially voted for him. However, I could not say with 100% certainty that he was town, so there was also a case of OtoshimonoU actually being truly Mafia, which would have justified everything and made my read incorrect. Either way, a lynch was needed to gain the information we have, whereas if I did not vote for OtoshimonoU I'm not sure the vote would have gone through, leading to no new information gained again. In the event that if I did not vote for OtoshimonoU and caused a no-lynch, leaving OtoshimonoU alive is also not a very good response, seeing as how he had 0 credibility and was still going to be the most suspicious suspect for a lot of people and seemed unenthusiastic about continuing to play in his situation.
+ Show Spoiler +
On March 06 2012 09:22 willz22912 wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:36 Maverick32x wrote:
I know I say 'significantly' like its a huge amount of people, but I really think that it clears both sufficiency (who I'm HIGHLY suspicious of, and burbbles) Which is a larger step than we've taken so far... and I'm sure if we look at the filters we may be able to pull some conclusions as well... one of the things that would confuse me if he flipped town.. why killl Mementoss? Either way, we'll have some answers in a couple hours...
See this is what bugs me. It really doesn't clear anyone. Sufficiency is currently voting for a no lynch and Sbrubbles is voting Rainmaker. How is OtoshimonoU flipping green going to clear them when if they were Mafia, they would know if OtoshimonoU is town and if we have enough votes without Mafia pitching in to get rid of him. We have multiple people who were already dead set on OtoshimonoU, and then we have a couple others (myself included) who are willing to switch our votes to make sure a lynch 100% goes through. Now we have at least 3 people who are not voting OtoshimonoU. If we didn't have the swing votes, the lynch wouldn't go through AGAIN. This is clearly what the Mafia wants, us to be indecisive and confused while we keep losing key members during the night. If we mis-lynch we mis-lynch, but don't overstate how much information we're going to get.
I already stated my opinion on Mementoss being targetted earlier as well, I think it was more he was the most active poster than for anyone in particular he had suspicions on.
This post is the most telling. He tells everyone what he knew all along. Oto flipping green will not give information. He also knows that Oto is going to flip green, and that explains all the effort he put in to make sure that he would not be a suspect after his death. His last 3 posts were shortly before the lynch, and all pushed the same message. Oto being lynched was the perfect way for Willz to look innocent and to stay out of the light. It was too suspicious not to bring up. After thinking about it, a DT check on Willz wouldn't be too bad of an idea either.
This part, I don't really understand either. I was again disagreeing with Maverick about his opinion:
"I know I say 'significantly' like its a huge amount of people, but I really think that it clears both sufficiency (who I'm HIGHLY suspicious of, and burbbles)
I was stating that in the event of OtoshimonoU flipping green (which was the case), it doesn't clear anyone of suspicion because the lynch took 2 days to accomplish and required new votes from the replacements who could or could not be Mafia. Everyone is still under scrutiny for voting for OtoshimonoU in my opinion because it was such an easy case to make to gain credibility as looking "town." In the emphasis you made about me knowing information, I felt based on my read that OtoshimonoU was green, and was continually harping on that in my discussion with Maverick. Personally, I can see the case you're trying to make against me, but it really seems like you're taking my conversation/responses to Maverick out of context more than I was trying to look innocent.
In fact, I was going to continue with Mementoss' thought that you were town, but now you have given me pause to reconsider my opinion of you. I will follow up on this with my own counter-analysis, but it involves part of what Sbrubbles already posted.
|
|
|
| kitaman27 United States. March 07 2012 11:10. Posts 4551 | Profile Blog # |
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f72vPFI9c8&feature=related
Day Three
Sbrubbles was doing gymnastics and stuff when she was suddenly shot.
Rainmaker5 was so filled with grief that he committed suicide.
Sbrubbles the Pink Ranger (Medic) was killed.
Rainmaker5 the White Ranger (Vanilla townie) has been modkilled.
You have 48 hours to determine the next lynch. |
| | Well, I'm better than dirt. Well, most kinds of dirt. I mean not that fancy store bought dirt. That stuffs loaded with nutrients. I... I can't compete with that stuff. |
|
|
| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 07 2012 11:11. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
Bu-Bye  |
| | ZURGLINGS IN MAI BEISS !!! |
|
|
| DimmuKlok United States. March 07 2012 12:24. Posts 194 | Profile # |
GG Sbrubbles.
Looking forward to it, Willz. I admit my accusation wasn't the most solid. I stand by everything I said, but I accept the explanation you have given.
I'm going to see what I can put together with the information we gained with Sbrubbles and Rainmakers death. |
|
|
| blubbdavid Switzerland. March 07 2012 17:31. Posts 2241 | Profile Blog # |
Well that sucks. I don't think there will be a replacement for Rain.
Now I see why Sbrubbles brought up the plan of DT claiming.
Have to take a look at gunman. |
| | What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God |
|
|
| blubbdavid Switzerland. March 07 2012 17:50. Posts 2241 | Profile Blog # |
| Hey guys, it's LYLO. If we lynch the wrong one, we'll lose. I think the DT should come out, but only if he has useful information. |
| | What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God |
|
|
| Maverick32x United States. March 07 2012 22:46. Posts 282 | Profile # |
Ugh... Well this is quite bad... We have clearly been quite off.. even the town is lurking!!
Lets see who we have left-
1.) gunman103 - A bit lurky looking through his posts. Nothing major... in looking through his filters- has accused tiystus (Willz) and Pablos early on... but shifted to Mementoss. Its possible that these are more townies? Thats assuming he is scum.. which is something that we can't really guess that at this point in the game..
4.) Pablols - Another lurker.. (seeing a pattern?) Targetted Sufficiency (but who wasn't?). I'm also noticing a pattern of "you guys should participate more" and then the player actually doesn't participate in any discussions? Scum trait?
5.) willz22912 - targetting sufficiency a bit, but was defending Oto back and forth.. I know Dim built up a case against Willz, but its kinda 'meh' based off the responses....
6.) DimmuKlok - Targets Rain based off lurking... but he got modkilled.. so really I guess thats the ultimate lurking... Targets Willz based off some controversial posting, Seems suspicious of sufficiency...
7.) Sufficiency - This guy posts nothing of substance. Has pretty much not posted any suspiciouns outside of his day1 controverial FoS which made 0 sense.
10.) trackd00r - Targets Oto with a pretty large post... but its kind of 'early'.. His top 2 scum reads were Oto and Rainmaker... His accustation on Rain was a bit random.. accused him of lurker (which he was), but then followed it up by analyzing who he qoutes.. I don't like basing decisiosn off that since I don't think it really gives a lot of information.. but is rather a desperate attempt to make some behavior suspicious which really isnt.. His next targets though are Gunman and Pablols. I like his read on Gunman though actually.
12.) blubbdavid- Okay, This could be a REALLY long shot in the dark. But he throws out the following names as "You should investiage these people"- they are- Sufficiency, Pablols, Dim and Rainmaker... Rainmaker is confirmed town... He also really seems interested in trying to flush out a PR.... Lets say Blubb is mafia... It would make sense that he would want the DT to waste their last investigate (if they exist) to target one of them....AND to claim DT....
So here is my LAST thought... and this is really doubling down on this whole game.... and I'll admit that it is reckless.. but a big move may be our only chance to win...
If blubb slipped up here and screwed his team mates over.. the people who aren't listed as 'people to investigate' would be mafia....??
That is also potentially way too much of a leap- but I'm grasping at straws here!!! |
|
|
| Maverick32x United States. March 07 2012 22:48. Posts 282 | Profile # |
| One last thing.. where do we want to focus? Lurkers? Since just looking through those posts, we would want to hit gunman, pablols and sufficiency hands down... thats assuming that mafia are just lurking.. |
|
|
| blubbdavid Switzerland. March 07 2012 23:09. Posts 2241 | Profile Blog # |
Well I didn't really propose to investigate rainmaker. We were more or less all looking into rainmakers direction, especially after gunman made pretty quick a post against him. On suff, Pablos and Dim... They are lurkers, or in Dim's case, I really don't have a good feeling.
Second, I am thinking about how Scrubble's death could benefit mafia. Scrubbles FOS'd Rain and Dimmu, but maybe mafia is trying to lead us a wrong path.
Third, Lurkers. They are a big problem. It wouldn't wonder me if the just ninjabandwagon the next train that comes up. By voting on one of the lurkers, maybe he will talk a bit more?
Voting on gunman that he explains why he pushed rain so fast.
|
| | What do you desire? Money? Glory? Power? Revenge? Or something that surpasses all other? Whatever you desire - that is here. Tower of God |
|
|
| Prev 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 Next All | |
|
|
|
| |
|
Sidebar Settings...
|
Store
