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| LoB United Kingdom. February 28 2012 08:27. Posts 32 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:22 Meaph wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world.
You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.
But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.
+ With a big part of the viewer beeing students and/or pupils without anybig of an income - but never the less with the will to support their favorite computer game - guess what brings more money: 25 000 x$5 or 2500 x $20? €: + You normally get bunch more money out of sponsors by simply having more people watching the stream, which makes up for higher income though adds -> free stream = more viewer in that simple case.
stop making up stats jesus..you don't know the demographic so how can you pull numbers out your ass. And stating 8 is more than 6 is really quite bright -___-
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| nOlifeTERRAN United States. February 28 2012 08:28. Posts 142 | Profile # | |
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| chrissummers February 28 2012 08:28. Posts 218 | Profile # |
| I would actually pay money, just because your offer is awesome. even if i was not able to watch. |
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| tdt United States. February 28 2012 08:28. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:21 LoB wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world.
You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.
But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.
You don't know the cost of the event or have the data to justify any price it was the first ppv event in this media type, MLG came before IPL announced their price. It is like saying that a local bakery should "take notes" from the supermarket cost of bread it doesn't make any economic sense.
Everyone in the industry was telling sundance he was nuts at that price point but he went ahead anyway. Read/listen Scoots post/ $5-10 a very small minority would have given them heat, that it. It was so bad very few orgs even agreed to co-sponsor and they couldof made money from it. So it's not like Sundance didn't have notes to take from. Last edit: 2012-02-28 08:34:36 |
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| Atoissen Norway. February 28 2012 08:29. Posts 810 | Profile # |
| This sounds great, I will def pay 5$ for the HD. |
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| Complicated United States. February 28 2012 08:30. Posts 42 | Profile # | |
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| LoB United Kingdom. February 28 2012 08:32. Posts 32 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:28 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:21 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world.
You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.
But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.
You don't know the cost of the event or have the data to justify any price it was the first ppv event in this media type, MLG came before IPL announced their price. It is like saying that a local bakery should "take notes" from the supermarket cost of bread it doesn't make any economic sense.
Everyone in the industry was telling sundance he was nuts at that price point but he went ahead anyway. Read/listen Scoots post/ $5-10 a very small minority would have given them heat, that it.
"Everyone in the industry" I missed that post....
Just talk about the event and keep your sweeping statements, generalization and economic wisdom to yourself. |
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 Rabbet Canada. February 28 2012 08:32. Posts 404 | Profile # |
This is really good value. I'd pay $5 for the IPL TAC that is currently going on, it is an awesome format and IMO team play is funner to watch.
Good job IPL! |
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| Artisane United States. February 28 2012 08:33. Posts 132 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:19 tdt wrote:
Well I went ahead and got 2 VIP passes for this and I'm a Ferengi. One for my bro one for me. Hope I meet MC!
Love everything about IPL professionalism, casters, weekly events, business model.
I wanted to get the VIP passes, but I couldn't justify it with my wife after we got the VIP seats for NASL, and it was garbage. |
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| Hakanfrog Sweden. February 28 2012 08:34. Posts 501 | Profile # |
| Poor MC, 2 terrans in his groups which are known as TvP snipers. |
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| Youtakenocandle February 28 2012 08:34. Posts 540 | Profile # |
| Who will be the commentators? I'm not a big fan of HD/Painuser, so hope it's not them (no offense to them). |
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| snively United States. February 28 2012 08:35. Posts 1083 | Profile Blog # |
On February 28 2012 08:30 Complicated wrote:
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| Jacmert Canada. February 28 2012 08:35. Posts 822 | Profile Blog # |
I just want to point out that the MLG Winter Arena was a special event which I think cost an extraordinary amount of $$$ to put on. They flew all the players out to NYC on MLG's dime and they brought in Tasteless and Artosis from Korea, along with DJWheat and managed to get the highest number of top players together in one tournament than I've ever heard of (outside of the GSL Super Tournament), and also included foreigner fan favorites who were able to compete at that level. Also, MLG Winter Arena brought in 32 players while IPL4 is at 20 players.
I wonder how much IPL4 actually costs to put on, and how much they plan to recoup from live attendees. But even if the costs of IPL4 are comparable, I just want to give props to the MLG Winter Arena for managing to fly in and secure the absolute best in casters and players, both from Korea and the rest of the world. I would say it's the first event of its kind. I don't think IPL4 will be able to match it in that respect (they may be able to come close in terms of player representation, but I doubt they'll get Tastosis).
Also, Day 1 of MLG Winter Arena was epic to watch (and be in chat for) live Last edit: 2012-02-28 08:37:07 |
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| Youtakenocandle February 28 2012 08:35. Posts 540 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:33 Artisane wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:19 tdt wrote:
Well I went ahead and got 2 VIP passes for this and I'm a Ferengi. One for my bro one for me. Hope I meet MC!
Love everything about IPL professionalism, casters, weekly events, business model.
I wanted to get the VIP passes, but I couldn't justify it with my wife after we got the VIP seats for NASL, and it was garbage.
Comparing IGN and NASL is probably not a good idea. |
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| Brotatolol United States. February 28 2012 08:35. Posts 1717 | Profile Blog # |
| Looks like it's going to be a good tournament. Does anybody know if there's going to be another stream like there was for IPL 3 with Lani? That was pretty entertaining, lol. |
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| tdt United States. February 28 2012 08:40. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:32 LoB wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:28 tdt wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:21 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world.
You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.
But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.
You don't know the cost of the event or have the data to justify any price it was the first ppv event in this media type, MLG came before IPL announced their price. It is like saying that a local bakery should "take notes" from the supermarket cost of bread it doesn't make any economic sense.
Everyone in the industry was telling sundance he was nuts at that price point but he went ahead anyway. Read/listen Scoots post/ $5-10 a very small minority would have given them heat, that it.
"Everyone in the industry" I missed that post.... Just talk about the event and keep your sweeping statements, generalization and economic wisdom to yourself.
Is no generalization. Tune in to STOG, the threads about it, the interview with scoots/sundance. Everyone saying it was too much and Sundances' ridiculous oh well gotta start somewhere without any thought to others view.
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| tdt United States. February 28 2012 08:42. Posts 3096 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:33 Artisane wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:19 tdt wrote:
Well I went ahead and got 2 VIP passes for this and I'm a Ferengi. One for my bro one for me. Hope I meet MC!
Love everything about IPL professionalism, casters, weekly events, business model.
I wanted to get the VIP passes, but I couldn't justify it with my wife after we got the VIP seats for NASL, and it was garbage.
Yeah I was hoping for some more details as VIP description is rather nebulous but I didnt hear back. Here's hoping for the best. You'll be damn sure to hear about it if it;s a bad value. |
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| Alryk United States. February 28 2012 08:42. Posts 2237 | Profile Blog # |
| Disappointing that 720p won't be for free now, but I totally approve of this method. 5$ is so cheap too... will definitely consider doing it for a full month of coverage! |
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| LoB United Kingdom. February 28 2012 08:44. Posts 32 | Profile # |
On February 28 2012 08:40 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 28 2012 08:32 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:28 tdt wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:21 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:16 Thurken wrote:
On February 28 2012 08:10 LoB wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:38 synaptik wrote:
On February 28 2012 07:31 LoB wrote:
Nice marketing ploy, the might of a parent organization propping up the fallacy that IPL is profitable. Fact is not all organizations have the advertising connections, sponsors or marketting division IGN has.
The comparisons to MLG make me giggle. Love to live in the delusional world some of you live in.
whats your point? if they can offer a superior product at a better value, who cares if they aren't an independent company? as part of IGN they can spread their costs and achieve economies of scale. this is how competition works - deeper pocketed organizations make the entire industry stay on their toes and benefits the consumers. i also bet at $5 IPL will bring in more revenue than MLG's $20 ppv weekend because the overall number of buyers will be much more than 4x winter arena. simple supply and demand. welcome to the real world.
You clearly didn't understand my point. I was clearly stating that comparisons between MLG and IPL/IGN are laughable because their income and expenditure of the two are completely different and one is propped up by a larger parent company. There is an economical reason why one is more expensive than the other, you failed to grasp that. Throwing in made up stats to justify your arguement is a tell-tale sign of clutching at straws. Also "supply and demand" you should look up what that means because esports is not at that point yet with a ppv model.
But in the end they both want to make money, so if IPL can do that with charging 5$ a month, i'd understand that MLG could charge 50% higher but not 400% higher for just a weekend of content instead of a whole month.
You don't know the cost of the event or have the data to justify any price it was the first ppv event in this media type, MLG came before IPL announced their price. It is like saying that a local bakery should "take notes" from the supermarket cost of bread it doesn't make any economic sense.
Everyone in the industry was telling sundance he was nuts at that price point but he went ahead anyway. Read/listen Scoots post/ $5-10 a very small minority would have given them heat, that it.
"Everyone in the industry" I missed that post.... Just talk about the event and keep your sweeping statements, generalization and economic wisdom to yourself.
Is no generalization. Tune in to STOG, the threads about it, the interview with scoots/sundance. Everyone saying it was too much and Sundances' ridiculous oh well gotta start somewhere without any thought to others view.
you said everyone in the industry and then list 2 people and then state everyone again, I am not de-railing this thread any further by arguing with idiots. |
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| tofubeans United States. February 28 2012 08:47. Posts 766 | Profile # | |
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