So i want to start streaming SC 2 and Dota 2 but i know i have to upgrade processors, i just got my new MB which i went with AMD chipsets because i like AMD to be honest my question is would this cpu be good enough to stream,
1080p is achievable with the right bitrates. If you are overclocking I would say you can hit 4.8-5.0ghz you will be able to stream 1080 without hiccup.
you could of gone cheaper with a 2500k saved yourself $50 on the processor.
Myrmidon United States. February 28 2012 14:59. Posts 8487
Yes, but you want a Phenom II X6 instead, since that's cheaper. For streaming, it is enough for 720p, and the performance in most games is about the same or slightly better.
The FX-8150 has 4 modules with mostly 2 integer cores each--performance per clock per core is worse than the previous generation, the Phenom II.
If you're serious about streaming higher than 720p, you don't want to buy AMD right now. Well, the FX 4 module is the best AMD choice for that, but it's not going to be all that much better than a Phenom II X6, and stepping up to a i7-2600k wouldn't be that much more expensive.
I wouldn't go through with buying the processor at all unless I dropped a huge amount of money on the motherboard. Which is debatable here ($95).
Its actually cheaper to dump the motherboard and move along an Intel route. AMD is wicked expensive to build on if you want the same performance for whatever Intel is offering.
Unless you are streaming your desktop or something.
Catch 22, AMD processors stream well unless you are trying to stream something interesting, like a game, doubly so for SC2.
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Thezftw Finland. February 28 2012 22:44. Posts 116
On February 28 2012 15:32 Medrea wrote: I wouldn't go through with buying the processor at all unless I dropped a huge amount of money on the motherboard. Which is debatable here ($95).
Its actually cheaper to dump the motherboard and move along an Intel route. AMD is wicked expensive to build on if you want the same performance for whatever Intel is offering.
Unless you are streaming your desktop or something.
Catch 22, AMD processors stream well unless you are trying to stream something interesting, like a game, doubly so for SC2.
What, do you even know what you are talking about? Let's take those Intel-tinted rose glasses off for now and realize that an X6 can easily handle any game and stream (especially if OC'd a bit) at 720p.
I suggest AMD Phenom II X6 (any model) Black Edition and some decent aftermarket cooler (like Noctua NH-D14 or similar) for your setup, OC it to 3.5-4.5 (how much you can achieve stable) and be happy.
Just remember that when streaming you get more out of more cores (and threads) so probably even X6/FX-8150 can beat i5 on heavy duty like that. i7 just performs on whole new league compared to i5 when streaming.
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SiNKami United States. February 28 2012 22:51. Posts 1761
Myrmidon is right. Get a Phenom II x6. It will do handle streaming alot better than the FX cpus simply because its faster (clock for clock). If you have a good enough connection, you could do 1080p easy even though its not recommended unless your a Twitch.tv partner (or whatever streaming site you use) as everyone cant view 1080p without lag (some cant view it at all). Same with 720p even though its a lot less likely.
Edit: Honestly though, I would've gotten an 1155 mobo and an i7 2600k. Im not an intel fanboy at all as I prefer AMD because its generally cheaper to get. But getting an FX cpu over even a Phenom II would be a waste right now.
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Rachnar France. February 28 2012 22:51. Posts 1423
On February 28 2012 15:32 Medrea wrote: I wouldn't go through with buying the processor at all unless I dropped a huge amount of money on the motherboard. Which is debatable here ($95).
Its actually cheaper to dump the motherboard and move along an Intel route. AMD is wicked expensive to build on if you want the same performance for whatever Intel is offering.
Unless you are streaming your desktop or something.
Catch 22, AMD processors stream well unless you are trying to stream something interesting, like a game, doubly so for SC2.
What, do you even know what you are talking about? Let's take those Intel-tinted rose glasses off for now and realize that an X6 can easily handle any game and stream (especially if OC'd a bit) at 720p.
I suggest AMD Phenom II X6 (any model) Black Edition and some decent aftermarket cooler (like Noctua NH-D14 or similar) for your setup, OC it to 3.5-4.5 (how much you can achieve stable) and be happy.
Just remember that when streaming you get more out of more cores (and threads) so probably even X6/FX-8150 can beat i5 on heavy duty like that. i7 just performs on whole new league compared to i5 when streaming.
It's not Intel rose colored glasses. It's a fact. AMD sucks for the money. Nobody is talking about adequacy, they're talking about the fact the Intel is straight up faster per dollar pretty much across the board, by average pricing. There's a couple of niches where it might be debatable what's worth more, but they're kind of stupid niches, like "People who want to OC heavily and are willing to spend $100 on a Noctua CPU cooler but don't want to buy a faster, more efficient CPU that can tolerate higher temps in the first place".
So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
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JingleHell United States. February 28 2012 23:05. Posts 11262
And I'm sure using a CPU whose fans argue that all of it's issues are related to thread scheduling, vs a CPU that occasionally gets a bad rap due to user error is a good solution to hiccups. That makes sense. Oh wait, no it really doesn't.
And nobody is debating that Ph2 is a better option than FX, we're saying that he should return the mobo and build a rig that actually makes something resembling sense. But yes, if he insists on AMD, Ph2 X6 makes much more sense than FX. FX is just crap.
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U should be fine wherever u get a X6 or Fx 6100 at least... those CPUs are GOOD, DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THE PUBLICITY-FEST THAT IS ARROUND INTEL IN TL THOUGH. i really don't get why ppl keep suggesting INTEL CPUs like if they are the only one capable of doing so... that ridiculous
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JingleHell United States. February 28 2012 23:10. Posts 11262
On February 28 2012 23:08 LatsyrC wrote: U should be fine wherever u get a X6 or Fx 6100 at least... those CPUs are GOOD, DONT PAY ATTENTION TO THE PUBLICITY-FEST THAT IS ARROUND INTEL IN TL THOUGH. i really don't get why ppl keep suggesting INTEL CPUs like if they are the only one capable of doing so... that ridiculous
Yes, people who take the time to type properly and post benchmarks are probably just fanboys, right? See what I already said. It's not about what's adequate, it's about what's GOOD. When you can spend an amount of money on "adequate", and a similar amount of money on "better", in the somewhat less-than-subjective world of computer performance, "better" is always better.
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On February 28 2012 23:02 Thezftw wrote: So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
what issues those that CPUs have? explain to me... hey im listening!!
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Thezftw Finland. February 28 2012 23:13. Posts 116
On February 28 2012 23:02 Thezftw wrote: So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
what issues those that CPUs have? explain to me... hey im listening!! + Show Spoiler +
Well, since they're advertising an 8150 as an 8 core, and the safest Intel to benchmark against is a quad, I'd say your video sums up the issues pretty well. The details don't matter, if it's advertised as 8, it should perform as 8. It doesn't. It performs like a bad knockoff of a quad with HT. FX doesn't perform where it should. Why else did you think they delayed release incessantly, and slashed prices to compete against CPUs they were hoping to crush originally?
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Thezftw Finland. February 28 2012 23:26. Posts 116
On February 28 2012 23:02 Thezftw wrote: So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
what issues those that CPUs have? explain to me... hey im listening!! + Show Spoiler +
Well, since they're advertising an 8150 as an 8 core, and the safest Intel to benchmark against is a quad, I'd say your video sums up the issues pretty well. The details don't matter, if it's advertised as 8, it should perform as 8. It doesn't. It performs like a bad knockoff of a quad with HT. FX doesn't perform where it should. Why else did you think they delayed release incessantly, and slashed prices to compete against CPUs they were hoping to crush originally?
loool i dont mind if intel has 2core, if my amd CPU that i WANT can archive the same with less money WTF
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JingleHell United States. February 28 2012 23:30. Posts 11262
On February 28 2012 23:26 Thezftw wrote: I'd say it's just a quad with glorified HT that doesn't perform like one.
Technically, yes, and yeah that's where it lands in benches, but they advertised 8, it's not unreasonable to expect performance like 8. They'd have done MUCH better if they hadn't tried to overhype. If they'd called an i7 knockoff an i7 knockoff, it would just be regarded as an underpowered i7, which would bother most people a LOT less than an octocore that can't beat the previous generations hex from the same company.
On February 28 2012 23:02 Thezftw wrote: So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
what issues those that CPUs have? explain to me... hey im listening!! + Show Spoiler +
Well, since they're advertising an 8150 as an 8 core, and the safest Intel to benchmark against is a quad, I'd say your video sums up the issues pretty well. The details don't matter, if it's advertised as 8, it should perform as 8. It doesn't. It performs like a bad knockoff of a quad with HT. FX doesn't perform where it should. Why else did you think they delayed release incessantly, and slashed prices to compete against CPUs they were hoping to crush originally?
loool i dont mind if intel has 2core, if my amd CPU that i WANT can archive the same with less money WTF
Right, but we already covered funky niches that 99% of the world thinks are bizarre at best. Now we're talking about actual quality and performance. Oh, and don't forget to factor mobo price in.
@OP: Not sure why you'd add a 2GB 550 2GB single GPU of any kind to that list. Speaking of cost efficiency, it's bad. A 550 has literally NO use for 2GB of VRAM, you'll be GPU bottlenecked 100% of the time with 1GB. And most people don't really need to spend extra for the EVGA warranty and support. It's more for lunatics like me who try to blow up their PC for an extra 20 points on a 3dmark score.
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Rachnar France. February 28 2012 23:50. Posts 1423
On February 28 2012 23:26 Thezftw wrote: I'd say it's just a quad with glorified HT that doesn't perform like one.
Technically, yes, and yeah that's where it lands in benches, but they advertised 8, it's not unreasonable to expect performance like 8. They'd have done MUCH better if they hadn't tried to overhype. If they'd called an i7 knockoff an i7 knockoff, it would just be regarded as an underpowered i7, which would bother most people a LOT less than an octocore that can't beat the previous generations hex from the same company.
On February 28 2012 23:02 Thezftw wrote: So streaming is second-grade issue here while OP was going for streaming build? I don't get it.
Many has said that their i5 hiccups on 720p+ stream when going for good quality. I might be wrong of course, as I have not tried streaming on one myself.
Edit. About FX-8150 vs. 2500K, the first generation bulldozers are fail anyway. They got so many issues it's not even worth going for one if you know better.
I'm simply suggesting to go X6 route because OP has initiated that he is going for AMD build. I'd suggest i7 anyday if Intel was an option here.
what issues those that CPUs have? explain to me... hey im listening!! + Show Spoiler +
Well, since they're advertising an 8150 as an 8 core, and the safest Intel to benchmark against is a quad, I'd say your video sums up the issues pretty well. The details don't matter, if it's advertised as 8, it should perform as 8. It doesn't. It performs like a bad knockoff of a quad with HT. FX doesn't perform where it should. Why else did you think they delayed release incessantly, and slashed prices to compete against CPUs they were hoping to crush originally?
loool i dont mind if intel has 2core, if my amd CPU that i WANT can archive the same with less money WTF
Right, but we already covered funky niches that 99% of the world thinks are bizarre at best. Now we're talking about actual quality and performance. Oh, and don't forget to factor mobo price in.
@OP: Not sure why you'd add a 2GB 550 2GB single GPU of any kind to that list. Speaking of cost efficiency, it's bad. A 550 has literally NO use for 2GB of VRAM, you'll be GPU bottlenecked 100% of the time with 1GB. And most people don't really need to spend extra for the EVGA warranty and support. It's more for lunatics like me who try to blow up their PC for an extra 20 points on a 3dmark score.
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JingleHell United States. February 28 2012 22:58. Posts 11262
