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| andytb United Kingdom. April 12 2012 21:03. Posts 180 | Profile # |
Xsplit are pulling the double bait and switch.
It was free for all users, so it propagated a boom in amateur streaming with a software package streets ahead of any other available for less than $1k
They're now charging $40/$60 for two years as a 'pre-release offer' now that they've had everyone do their beta testing for them, which is just low enough that any pro streamer and many amateurs will just drop the cash.
On launch date these prices double with another 'introductory offer'
When everyone comes to renew in two years time, it's clear that the 'introductory offer' isn't what they want to charge. At which point the 'free software' that everyone started to use will likely be costing hundreds per annum in licencing for a commercial streamer. |
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| Chargelot April 12 2012 21:13. Posts 2274 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 21:03 andytb wrote:
Xsplit are pulling the double bait and switch.
It was free for all users, so it propagated a boom in amateur streaming with a software package streets ahead of any other available for less than $1k
They're now charging $40/$60 for two years as a 'pre-release offer' now that they've had everyone do their beta testing for them, which is just low enough that any pro streamer and many amateurs will just drop the cash.
On launch date these prices double with another 'introductory offer'
When everyone comes to renew in two years time, it's clear that the 'introductory offer' isn't what they want to charge. At which point the 'free software' that everyone started to use will likely be costing hundreds per annum in licencing for a commercial streamer.
That's called having a business plan. Not bait and switch. Try to use some logic. I played RIFT for free, but hey, they wanted to charge me when the beta was done. And then, you know what happened? They charged people who didn't participate in the beta test MORE than those who did. Those bait-and-switch using bastards.Last edit: 2012-04-12 21:13:23 |
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| FlyingToilet United States. April 12 2012 21:22. Posts 731 | Profile # |
I don't really understand this, it says you have to pay for audio, but every time i stream i have no problems with audio its all perfect even though i haven't given them a cent... is there a certain date where they cut off audio or do i have a bug they can shut my stream down for?
Edit: Sifting through the earlier posts i realized it doesn't just not let you use the audio it makes it crappy! well my stream is crappy anyways. But i do have another question, does the twitch community even mind the lower quality audio?!Last edit: 2012-04-12 21:26:29 |
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| ruXxar Norway. April 12 2012 21:31. Posts 456 | Profile Blog # |
I'm getting really scared for future generations when I see people that expect or feel entitled to have a product for free.
It doesn't matter jack shit, how poor you are, or how bad your living conditions are. You have no right whatsoever to demand anything.
People have put in many many work-hours into a product and have graciously allowed you to use it for free.
If you don't want to use it anymore, go ahead, use an alternate software. No one's stopping you. Go make your own streaming platform and share it with everyone for free. I can't wait for it.
But you didn't pay a dime for the product, so all you should be doing is say thank you. Thank you Splitmedialabs for allowing me to use your product for free.
I'm simply disgusted and appalled by the attitude and backwards logic some people are showing.Last edit: 2012-04-12 21:32:39 |
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| Morfildur Germany. April 12 2012 21:38. Posts 3489 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 21:22 FlyingToilet wrote:
I don't really understand this, it says you have to pay for audio, but every time i stream i have no problems with audio its all perfect even though i haven't given them a cent... is there a certain date where they cut off audio or do i have a bug they can shut my stream down for?
Edit: Sifting through the earlier posts i realized it doesn't just not let you use the audio it makes it crappy! well my stream is crappy anyways. But i do have another question, does the twitch community even mind the lower quality audio?!
You are using the Speex codec which is free but doesn't have very good quality. It's good enough for voice but not that good for music (Think Teamspeak compared to for example skype). I think it was always the default codec for XSplit, though i'm not sure. |
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| Lorch Germany. April 12 2012 21:41. Posts 2215 | Profile # |
How about you just buy the license which was (still is?) over 100 dollar reduced in prize?
XSplit and Twitch/Own3d have probably helped esports more then anything ever did, if if would have been available half a decade ago counterstrike might still be as big as it used to be.
Also most of us have internet that is too shitty to even stream in full hd, let alone great sound quality, spex does the job even though it does sound a lot worse.Last edit: 2012-04-12 21:42:08 |
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| Iyerbeth England. April 12 2012 21:45. Posts 2203 | Profile Blog # |
How can people who're obviously in to pc gaming to at least some extent confuse a beta product with a bait and switch scam? That's actually madness. The thing that bugged me was the offer ended on a Thursday of all days. Why Thursday? 
I'll probably just stick with Xsplit anyway though to answer the question. |
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| FlyingToilet United States. April 12 2012 21:45. Posts 731 | Profile # |
On April 12 2012 21:38 Morfildur wrote:
Show nested quote +On April 12 2012 21:22 FlyingToilet wrote:
I don't really understand this, it says you have to pay for audio, but every time i stream i have no problems with audio its all perfect even though i haven't given them a cent... is there a certain date where they cut off audio or do i have a bug they can shut my stream down for?
Edit: Sifting through the earlier posts i realized it doesn't just not let you use the audio it makes it crappy! well my stream is crappy anyways. But i do have another question, does the twitch community even mind the lower quality audio?!
You are using the Speex codec which is free but doesn't have very good quality. It's good enough for voice but not that good for music (Think Teamspeak compared to for example skype). I think it was always the default codec for XSplit, though i'm not sure.
Ya, i noticed my tupac sounded like butt, but anyways lol i was wondering if the twitch community cared for something like this because they are known to whine about every little thing especially quality... |
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| [F_]aths Germany. April 12 2012 22:20. Posts 2765 | Profile Blog # |
I bought a premium licence before the audio royalty issue came up, even though I only casually stream. But when I do, I don't want to invest hours to configure streaming tools, I just want to start recording. While Xsplit hides many encoder settings from me, it's easy to get to usable settings within short testing time. I get acceptable quality in 960x540 (1/2 of 1920x1080 resolution) with just 440 kBit video. For audio I use 44100 Hz 16 bit mono at 56 kBit with AAC codec, this setting allows to stream music in acceptable quality.
With Xsplit I could also create videos where I speak to slides or demonstrate something on my computer, or I can create HD casts of SC2 games without the use of a framegrabber and subsequent voice over with a movie editing program. Last edit: 2012-04-12 22:39:05 |
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| Kamakiri Sweden. April 12 2012 22:29. Posts 199 | Profile # |
| People need to realise that not everything on the internet is or should be free, the price sounds very reasonable. |
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| YosHGo Czech Republic. April 12 2012 22:36. Posts 297 | Profile # |
| Xsplit,Xsplit,Xsplit --- this software needs a good concurency i hate to not have any options (except pure screen capture but those doesnt count) Never paid for such software and never going to. There will be some free(stolen) soft mimicing the Xsplit in no time as with everything that used to be free and its charged nowadays.. |
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| [F_]aths Germany. April 12 2012 22:40. Posts 2765 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 22:36 YosHGo wrote:
Xsplit,Xsplit,Xsplit --- this software needs a good concurency i hate to not have any options (except pure screen capture but those doesnt count) Never paid for such software and never going to. There will be some free(stolen) soft mimicing the Xsplit in no time as with everything that used to be free and its charged nowadays..
Even free software needs to follow the laws regarding royalty fees for certain encoders. |
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| Excludos Norway. April 12 2012 23:34. Posts 2175 | Profile Blog # |
On April 12 2012 22:36 YosHGo wrote:
Xsplit,Xsplit,Xsplit --- this software needs a good concurency i hate to not have any options (except pure screen capture but those doesnt count) Never paid for such software and never going to. There will be some free(stolen) soft mimicing the Xsplit in no time as with everything that used to be free and its charged nowadays..
There is already free streaming softwares, and there have been for some time. Do expect to spend the next couple of weeks setting it up though. Xsplit is incredibly easy, and thats what you're paying for. Its literally 6 programs rolled up in one. There will not be a pirated version of xsplit out any time soon, so you might as well start paying now.
and what do you mean "not any options"? You can do everything with xsplit as you can with any other streaming program and more. You can capture any camera connected to the computer, the screen, in game source (only in payed version), and any overlays you wish. What more do you really need?Last edit: 2012-04-12 23:36:22 |
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| Gigaschatten Germany. April 12 2012 23:38. Posts 59 | Profile # |
Xsplit is worth every $! It's easy to set up and simple to use. For this they charge you a really small amount of money. Either go with the offer or try the free stuff around like Adobe.
I tried that first: put endless hours of efforts into it, couldnt get it up and running without lags, got angry and gave up. Afterwards I bought the license for Xsplit, configured it in 10 min (1280 * 720) and et voila - runs without any problem at all.
The good thing is: you can decide on your own if the piece of software is worth it or not for you. I find it even acceptable that they "cut" (on purpose or not - i dont care) some features like the mentioned AAC to 42 bits.
Still your decision to use it freely or pay for it.
Thats life. |
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| Adonminus Israel. April 12 2012 23:42. Posts 485 | Profile # |
| My sound at xsplit is not working at all... |
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| Anachromy United States. April 12 2012 23:50. Posts 170 | Profile Blog # |
XSplit imo is the best piece of Streaming Software on the Market, you can produce anything with it.
$39 is an absolute steal.
personally, I think an extended beta/pre-order rollout was the only way there software would have succeeded, imagine the negative publicity from people who would have paid for it, and not been able to properly run it. due to hardware specs/technicial know-how, etc.
this way, everyone could try it out, and those who excelled with it became advocates of the software. and made it what I would consider the new standard in desktop streaming software.
Keep being awesome XSplit. the E-Sports world thanks you.
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| BBQSAC Australia. April 13 2012 00:00. Posts 89 | Profile # |
On April 12 2012 21:31 ruXxar wrote:
I'm getting really scared for future generations when I see people that expect or feel entitled to have a product for free.
It doesn't matter jack shit, how poor you are, or how bad your living conditions are. You have no right whatsoever to demand anything.
People have put in many many work-hours into a product and have graciously allowed you to use it for free.
If you don't want to use it anymore, go ahead, use an alternate software. No one's stopping you. Go make your own streaming platform and share it with everyone for free. I can't wait for it.
But you didn't pay a dime for the product, so all you should be doing is say thank you. Thank you Splitmedialabs for allowing me to use your product for free.
I'm simply disgusted and appalled by the attitude and backwards logic some people are showing.
100% agree, every second thread I look at seems to be filled with people demanding this, that and the other with no thought for the ludicrous nature of their whining. We seem, as a developed world population, to be swiftly devolving into a pack of insufferable, petulant two-year-olds.
On Topic: I just bought the two year deal and if they say they can't provide better audio for whatever legal reasons I'm inclined to believe them. |
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| TheToast United States. April 13 2012 00:00. Posts 4804 | Profile Blog # |
So what, this is just going to be the Xsplit QQ thread?
On April 12 2012 21:03 andytb wrote:
Xsplit are pulling the double bait and switch.
It was free for all users, so it propagated a boom in amateur streaming with a software package streets ahead of any other available for less than $1k
They're now charging $40/$60 for two years as a 'pre-release offer' now that they've had everyone do their beta testing for them, which is just low enough that any pro streamer and many amateurs will just drop the cash.
I don't think you understand what a "bait and switch" is. It's a felony scam in which you essentially show someone one product them sell them something else. Seeing that you've been using Xsplit for free and haven't actually purchased anything, I don't see how this is a scam in the least. In fact they're still letting you use their software for free, just not the part that costs them money.
$40 for 2 years is extremely reasonable. That's 5 cents a day, if you have even a small audience on Twitch running a few ads should be able to cover that. How do you expect the company to survive if they don't charge any money for their product? It's not like they are asking a million dollars, so what's the problem here?
If anything, you should be complaining to Twitch for not supporting HTML5 video which can utilize open source formats. |
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| Greenzy Sweden. April 13 2012 02:58. Posts 19 | Profile Blog # |
I like it, i bought a premium license and well its really great. Dont know why you argue over something that will eventually go from beta to release. I think its fair that, the coders that did xsplit has done alot for the E-sports and you know what? I will fully support and back the company up with some of my money since i do enjoy the streams that alot of players have.
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| Cinim Denmark. April 13 2012 03:16. Posts 640 | Profile # |
On February 29 2012 09:24 lolmlg wrote:
Show nested quote +On February 29 2012 09:16 Lumi wrote:
And I feel confident that it's only a matter of time before we get the same thing for free, with all the polishing that xsplit now has. Because it's not rocket science.
No, it's just computer science. The thing that powers all rocket science.
But at such a simple level that it's more like the rockets you buy for new years in crappy quality 
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