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Thanks. Happy Gaming. | daemir Finland. March 15 2012 06:37. Posts 3917 | Profile # |
Without shen being in the game I could see that being much more effective.
TSM just got too fed. Still interesting tactic, not something you can pull vs everything, but then again what is. |
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| Treadmill Canada. March 15 2012 06:40. Posts 2119 | Profile # |
On March 15 2012 06:29 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 06:28 Shikyo wrote:
On March 15 2012 06:26 wei2coolman wrote:
Told, you, 4v5, and won that.
I kind of want to say chaox got rather lucky
But chaox also got caught in the first place, which shouldn't of ever happened. It was just better team comp. And TSM was able to keep up w/ gold of fnatic with just kills.
Which they were able to do because TSM had a huge advantage in summoners because fnatic was running promote. All comes around. |
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| wei2coolman United States. March 15 2012 06:46. Posts 10501 | Profile # |
| What's with this juice thing? |
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| BobMcJohnson France. March 15 2012 06:47. Posts 1334 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 06:37 daemir wrote:
Without shen being in the game I could see that being much more effective.
TSM just got too fed. Still interesting tactic, not something you can pull vs everything, but then again what is.
Yeah, banning shen would probably be a good idea if you're going for this. That said, banning shen is always a good idea :> |
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| BlackPaladin United States. March 15 2012 07:26. Posts 3674 | Profile # |
On March 15 2012 06:46 wei2coolman wrote:
What's with this juice thing?
He's not supposed to be eating much sugar afaik. Juice has a lot of natural sugars. He wants juice. |
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| r.Evo Germany. March 15 2012 07:41. Posts 5397 | Profile # |
I know I'm kinda late but I can't help but answer when it comes to stuff like this. =S
On March 15 2012 00:23 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:08 Senx wrote:
So Reginald kicking the person who dared to argue against him yet it was Regi who consistantly underperformed during the last tourney. His team, his rules I guess.
After most scrims where TSM lost recently on stream (from what I've watched) he'd always blame oddone or TRM. Even if he was the one going 0-3 with oddone ganking for his lane consistently. ;o It's just how he is, albeit, not a good quality to have. Anyway, I hope that Dyrus will be able to help the team more than TRM. At least Dyrus does have a phenomenal late game so he should be a good addition. After all it's nearly all of CDE together. 
That is part of the mindset I'm talking about. If Reginald choses to lead his team every single fault they commit in his view is his own fault. Period. If someone didn't do what he had in mind he communicated it badly. Shifting blame makes him look insecure about his own skills, there are way more effective ways of helping your teammates improve than that.
On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
Also, the f2p issue, combined with the huge stream income relative to other esports - because of the sheer number of players, the average League player is downright terrible, and maybe even a bit slow. It's much more entertaining for the average League player to watch an "individual" than some mindless robot. Despite how much higher skill cap the current level of sc2 is compared to this game, league still generates way more viewers, just due to the higher player base.
This part is tricky. While I understand your main point, a trait of a strong coach is the ability to make everyone in his team do their best. When I'm leading a seminar for a company I have to be able to both get the fat 50 year old boss with the big ego and the 25 year old who is scared to death into the same boat. The main point a coach has to deal with is to establish competency in the fields he's hired for (hint: playing the game well is not one of them) and to get players to show the compliance needed to do his job.
On March 15 2012 00:49 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
So obviously the egos will have to go. Right now we're still at the generation of pubstar players. The only way people get known is by playing solo queue, and teams are basically just a collection of solo queue players, which doesn't necessarily translate into being good team players. People have big egos and suck at working with each other. Once the first generation of pubstar teams shifts out of their prime, you'll start seeing coaching/managing that will eventually scout players not necessarily based on their individual solo queue performance, but also their potential as team players. Naturally, this has to come from coaches/managers that were themselves good at the game (which we don't have yet).
While I agree with most of your post the bolded part is a common misconception. Neither a coach nor a manager have to be good at the game they are working with. I would even go as far as saying it is, even when they come from the very top of professional gaming in their era, possibly even a bad trait. Yes, there are exceptions like Boxer, Oov or 2009 - but those aren't good coaches because of their ability to play the game. They are good coaches because they are able to motivate their coachees and their ability to think on a very deep strategic level.
The important parts of the skillset a coach/manager has to offer to his team is very easily transferable because it works on a deeper level and not with the clearly visible. For example it is NOT a coaches job to forge a certain strategy but to encourage his players building their own (hell, there is a reason THEY are the pros and not the coach) and to iron out flaws out of it that the players themselves are unable to identify. The bottom line of coaches who excel at what they're doing should be along the lines of "I am helping you to improve yourself.", not "I am improving what you're doing." - the latter is what clashes with big egos, the former sustains them while changing the direction of where they put their energy. |
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| Mondieu Romania. March 15 2012 07:58. Posts 597 | Profile # |
| Just got antoher ban for 1 week because of 1 ragequit and some AD teemo games. I hate the Tribunal so much. Why the hell can't you play and fail? I don't use bad language so it was because of a bad streak of games ( was learning kennen and of course I failed against some champions). |
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| JackDino Gabon. March 15 2012 08:00. Posts 3296 | Profile # |
On March 15 2012 07:58 Mondieu wrote:
Just got antoher ban for 1 week because of 1 ragequit and some AD teemo games. I hate the Tribunal so much. Why the hell can't you play and fail? I don't use bad language so it was because of a bad streak of games ( was learning kennen and of course I failed against some champions).
I tanked like 300-400 elo once by just randoming every game, playing weird shit and jungling weird shit, never been banned for it. Always tried to win atleast.Last edit: 2012-03-15 08:01:00 |
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 UniversalSnip March 15 2012 08:01. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # |
| ^---- I am skeptical. My view is that if I've never been banned with the way I behave the standard for punishment is pretty lenient. |
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| UniversalSnip March 15 2012 08:01. Posts 4820 | Profile Blog # | |
| | Had you ever considered that all this is your fault? Your presence creates these animals... |
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| turdburgler England. March 15 2012 08:04. Posts 4676 | Profile Blog # |
| the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect' |
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| Keniji Germany. March 15 2012 08:11. Posts 1363 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'
Actually the lol equivalent to "i'm in gold but my macro is perfect" is "i should be 2000elo but i am in elo hell" |
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| wussleeQ United States. March 15 2012 08:13. Posts 1654 | Profile Blog # |
| god i wrote like a 4 paragraph thing on that LoL thread in general only to erase it because there is way too many ignorant people in that thread who you know will never change their stance. They are only going to write the same shit over and over. |
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| Keniji Germany. March 15 2012 08:18. Posts 1363 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 07:41 r.Evo wrote:I know I'm kinda late but I can't help but answer when it comes to stuff like this. =S
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:23 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:08 Senx wrote:
So Reginald kicking the person who dared to argue against him yet it was Regi who consistantly underperformed during the last tourney. His team, his rules I guess.
After most scrims where TSM lost recently on stream (from what I've watched) he'd always blame oddone or TRM. Even if he was the one going 0-3 with oddone ganking for his lane consistently. ;o It's just how he is, albeit, not a good quality to have. Anyway, I hope that Dyrus will be able to help the team more than TRM. At least Dyrus does have a phenomenal late game so he should be a good addition. After all it's nearly all of CDE together.
That is part of the mindset I'm talking about. If Reginald choses to lead his team every single fault they commit in his view is his own fault. Period. If someone didn't do what he had in mind he communicated it badly. Shifting blame makes him look insecure about his own skills, there are way more effective ways of helping your teammates improve than that.
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
Also, the f2p issue, combined with the huge stream income relative to other esports - because of the sheer number of players, the average League player is downright terrible, and maybe even a bit slow. It's much more entertaining for the average League player to watch an "individual" than some mindless robot. Despite how much higher skill cap the current level of sc2 is compared to this game, league still generates way more viewers, just due to the higher player base.
This part is tricky. While I understand your main point, a trait of a strong coach is the ability to make everyone in his team do their best. When I'm leading a seminar for a company I have to be able to both get the fat 50 year old boss with the big ego and the 25 year old who is scared to death into the same boat. The main point a coach has to deal with is to establish competency in the fields he's hired for (hint: playing the game well is not one of them) and to get players to show the compliance needed to do his job.
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 00:49 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
So obviously the egos will have to go. Right now we're still at the generation of pubstar players. The only way people get known is by playing solo queue, and teams are basically just a collection of solo queue players, which doesn't necessarily translate into being good team players. People have big egos and suck at working with each other. Once the first generation of pubstar teams shifts out of their prime, you'll start seeing coaching/managing that will eventually scout players not necessarily based on their individual solo queue performance, but also their potential as team players. Naturally, this has to come from coaches/managers that were themselves good at the game (which we don't have yet).
While I agree with most of your post the bolded part is a common misconception. Neither a coach nor a manager have to be good at the game they are working with. I would even go as far as saying it is, even when they come from the very top of professional gaming in their era, possibly even a bad trait. Yes, there are exceptions like Boxer, Oov or 2009 - but those aren't good coaches because of their ability to play the game. They are good coaches because they are able to motivate their coachees and their ability to think on a very deep strategic level. The important parts of the skillset a coach/manager has to offer to his team is very easily transferable because it works on a deeper level and not with the clearly visible. For example it is NOT a coaches job to forge a certain strategy but to encourage his players building their own (hell, there is a reason THEY are the pros and not the coach) and to iron out flaws out of it that the players themselves are unable to identify. The bottom line of coaches who excel at what they're doing should be along the lines of "I am helping you to improve yourself.", not "I am improving what you're doing." - the latter is what clashes with big egos, the former sustains them while changing the direction of where they put their energy.
You obviously have more knowledge than me about coaching so take it as a question.
There must be a reason like 90% of football coaches were professional players. While you dont need to be good at the game (mechanic/skill wise) you certainly need a good and deep understanding of the game to be a good coach (If you want to be more than a mental coach i guess) And while you certainly can get that level of understanding without a former pro player it is a hard task to do so. |
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| bmn March 15 2012 08:31. Posts 520 | Profile # |
On March 15 2012 07:58 Mondieu wrote:
Just got antoher ban for 1 week because of 1 ragequit and some AD teemo games. I hate the Tribunal so much. Why the hell can't you play and fail? I don't use bad language so it was because of a bad streak of games ( was learning kennen and of course I failed against some champions).
How does playing AD teemo get you banned? Do you know that this was a reason?
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| daemir Finland. March 15 2012 08:38. Posts 3917 | Profile # |
| More likely the reason being the ragequit. |
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| turdburgler England. March 15 2012 08:40. Posts 4676 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 08:18 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 07:41 r.Evo wrote:I know I'm kinda late but I can't help but answer when it comes to stuff like this. =S
On March 15 2012 00:23 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:08 Senx wrote:
So Reginald kicking the person who dared to argue against him yet it was Regi who consistantly underperformed during the last tourney. His team, his rules I guess.
After most scrims where TSM lost recently on stream (from what I've watched) he'd always blame oddone or TRM. Even if he was the one going 0-3 with oddone ganking for his lane consistently. ;o It's just how he is, albeit, not a good quality to have. Anyway, I hope that Dyrus will be able to help the team more than TRM. At least Dyrus does have a phenomenal late game so he should be a good addition. After all it's nearly all of CDE together.
That is part of the mindset I'm talking about. If Reginald choses to lead his team every single fault they commit in his view is his own fault. Period. If someone didn't do what he had in mind he communicated it badly. Shifting blame makes him look insecure about his own skills, there are way more effective ways of helping your teammates improve than that.
On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
Also, the f2p issue, combined with the huge stream income relative to other esports - because of the sheer number of players, the average League player is downright terrible, and maybe even a bit slow. It's much more entertaining for the average League player to watch an "individual" than some mindless robot. Despite how much higher skill cap the current level of sc2 is compared to this game, league still generates way more viewers, just due to the higher player base.
This part is tricky. While I understand your main point, a trait of a strong coach is the ability to make everyone in his team do their best. When I'm leading a seminar for a company I have to be able to both get the fat 50 year old boss with the big ego and the 25 year old who is scared to death into the same boat. The main point a coach has to deal with is to establish competency in the fields he's hired for (hint: playing the game well is not one of them) and to get players to show the compliance needed to do his job.
On March 15 2012 00:49 TheYango wrote:
On March 15 2012 00:41 Sandster wrote:
The thing is, coaches clash with egos. When a single player owns the team or has too big an influence, it takes a coup to get change done (hi Phantomlord).
So obviously the egos will have to go. Right now we're still at the generation of pubstar players. The only way people get known is by playing solo queue, and teams are basically just a collection of solo queue players, which doesn't necessarily translate into being good team players. People have big egos and suck at working with each other. Once the first generation of pubstar teams shifts out of their prime, you'll start seeing coaching/managing that will eventually scout players not necessarily based on their individual solo queue performance, but also their potential as team players. Naturally, this has to come from coaches/managers that were themselves good at the game (which we don't have yet).
While I agree with most of your post the bolded part is a common misconception. Neither a coach nor a manager have to be good at the game they are working with. I would even go as far as saying it is, even when they come from the very top of professional gaming in their era, possibly even a bad trait. Yes, there are exceptions like Boxer, Oov or 2009 - but those aren't good coaches because of their ability to play the game. They are good coaches because they are able to motivate their coachees and their ability to think on a very deep strategic level. The important parts of the skillset a coach/manager has to offer to his team is very easily transferable because it works on a deeper level and not with the clearly visible. For example it is NOT a coaches job to forge a certain strategy but to encourage his players building their own (hell, there is a reason THEY are the pros and not the coach) and to iron out flaws out of it that the players themselves are unable to identify. The bottom line of coaches who excel at what they're doing should be along the lines of "I am helping you to improve yourself.", not "I am improving what you're doing." - the latter is what clashes with big egos, the former sustains them while changing the direction of where they put their energy.
You obviously have more knowledge than me about coaching so take it as a question. There must be a reason like 90% of football coaches were professional players. While you dont need to be good at the game (mechanic/skill wise) you certainly need a good and deep understanding of the game to be a good coach (If you want to be more than a mental coach i guess) And while you certainly can get that level of understanding without a former pro player it is a hard task to do so.
a pro coaching team isnt 1 guy though. so an ex pro will have good knowledge about mindset and in game choices, a professional coach may bring other qualities. |
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| WhiteDog France. March 15 2012 08:47. Posts 3758 | Profile Blog # |
| Wow rainman got kicked from TSM ? That's hella sad, I thought they would rise above difficulties as a team... Sad. |
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| seRapH United States. March 15 2012 08:52. Posts 8249 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 08:11 Keniji wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 15 2012 08:04 turdburgler wrote:
the 'i was banned for doing nothing wrong' is the lol equivalent of 'im in gold but my macro is perfect'
Actually the lol equivalent to "i'm in gold but my macro is perfect" is "i should be 2000elo but i am in elo hell"
What does everyone consider to be decent in lol? Gold? Platinum?
The LoL equivalent of yellow ranks in bw or masters in sc2 (i think?)Last edit: 2012-03-15 08:53:16 |
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| clickrush Switzerland. March 15 2012 08:53. Posts 1731 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 08:47 WhiteDog wrote:
Wow rainman got kicked from TSM ? That's hella sad, I thought they would rise above difficulties as a team... Sad.
He left TSM because he didn't agree with the new practice schedule. Reginald and the others wanted to scrim and theorycraft (apparently you have alot more downtime between scrim matches than in soloq). TRM wanted to focus more on individual skill and mechanics in soloq, he thinks that scrimming alot and thus having to fill the time with theorycraft would not help as much to improve (ofc both parts agree that both scrimming and soloq should be parts of the schedule). |
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