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Thanks. Happy Gaming. | Zdrastochye United States. March 06 2012 12:02. Posts 1750 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 11:50 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point  Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
Oh poppy isn't considered bad(at least by the person you quoted), people just think her power curve is too steep(worst champion in the game early by far, hardest carry in the game late). However I don't think there's anything wrong with that, she's fun to play as and possible to shut down and takes skill to play and has counters, however rewarding as well if you play her properly.
Hyperbole after hyperbole...
She fits her role adequately, she's not the worst champion at 0 minutes, and the best one at 60. She's very strong when played correctly, as are all hypercarries. Her early game is just significantly worse and abusable by several very popular top laners, otherwise she'd have been played a lot more before now. |
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| red_ United States. March 06 2012 12:08. Posts 1908 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 12:02 Zdrastochye wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 11:50 Shikyo wrote:
On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
Oh poppy isn't considered bad(at least by the person you quoted), people just think her power curve is too steep(worst champion in the game early by far, hardest carry in the game late). However I don't think there's anything wrong with that, she's fun to play as and possible to shut down and takes skill to play and has counters, however rewarding as well if you play her properly.
Hyperbole after hyperbole... She fits her role adequately, she's not the worst champion at 0 minutes, and the best one at 60. She's very strong when played correctly, as are all hypercarries. Her early game is just significantly worse and abusable by several very popular top laners, otherwise she'd have been played a lot more before now.
So what you're saying is... she's the worst laner in the game, aka the worst early champion in the game?
Gotcha, because for a moment there I thought you weren't contradicting yourself. Only a moment though. |
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| unichan United States. March 06 2012 12:12. Posts 2989 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:08 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:02 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 06 2012 11:50 Shikyo wrote:
On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
Oh poppy isn't considered bad(at least by the person you quoted), people just think her power curve is too steep(worst champion in the game early by far, hardest carry in the game late). However I don't think there's anything wrong with that, she's fun to play as and possible to shut down and takes skill to play and has counters, however rewarding as well if you play her properly.
Hyperbole after hyperbole... She fits her role adequately, she's not the worst champion at 0 minutes, and the best one at 60. She's very strong when played correctly, as are all hypercarries. Her early game is just significantly worse and abusable by several very popular top laners, otherwise she'd have been played a lot more before now.
So what you're saying is... she's the worst laner in the game, aka the worst early champion in the game? Gotcha, because for a moment there I thought you weren't contradicting yourself. Only a moment though.
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| tyCe Australia. March 06 2012 12:16. Posts 2212 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 08:16 dooraven wrote:Does anyone have a list of champions what the current NA carries can play competently? Scarra - Karthus, Veigar, Ryse, Cassio (what else? I really haven't seen him on much else tbh) Nyjacky - Morganna, Veigar ( me is so clueless about curse ) Regianld - Gragas, Lebalnc, Sion, Ryse, Cassio (and Ziggs I guess but the past few times I've seen his ziggs I wasn't very impressed) Jiji - TF, Anivia, Ryse (?)
Jiji also plays Zilean and Orianna at godtier but hasn't played them much recently.. |
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| barbsq United States. March 06 2012 12:35. Posts 3039 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
this has been said before in GD, but basically, poppy's entire kit consists of her first 3 skills, and riot had a full champion kit put together. They just kinda slapped her ult on at the end, kus all champs had an ult. It would be nice for them to adjust or simply scrap her ult for a new one (IMO) kus as it stands, I find it pretty silly and makes her a pain to deal with. The rest of her kit is cool, the charge especially. It was the first wall-conditional stun (and still one of 2? they havn't made anymore that i can think of besides vayne's) and i suspect it's the same sort of tech that they used for nautilus' q for wall grabbing.
edit: basically where i was going with the end is that I really like her 3 normal skills, and they work together really well for a high-mobility champ, but there's a sort of disconnect with her ult, where it doesn't totally fit with the other 3.Last edit: 2012-03-06 12:37:52 |
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| Frolossus United States. March 06 2012 12:36. Posts 1096 | Profile # |
regi plays brand, malz, kass and tf
jiji plays cass and annie
scarra plays kat sometimes |
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| barbsq United States. March 06 2012 12:38. Posts 3039 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 12:36 Frolossus wrote:
regi plays brand, malz, kass and tf
jiji plays cass and annie
scarra plays kat sometimes
100% sure jiji is top tier TF, certainly much better than regi, and 99% sure that his malz is much stronger as well. |
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| Eiii United States. March 06 2012 12:42. Posts 1535 | Profile Blog # |
| Yeah, I could get behind an ult change. By far my least favorite part of her :s |
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| Craton United States. March 06 2012 12:42. Posts 10188 | Profile Blog # |
His malz would be stronger because Regi probably hasn't touched Malz in a year, but jiji's Malz is still pretty bad. Only ones playing Malz with any regularity are two of the Eu AP carries whose names I forget.
Jiji easily plays a much stronger TF than Reginald. Reginald basically spams tournament games as Cass LeBlanc or Gragas these days. Sometimes he'll do Ziggs or Karthus. Haven't seen him on Brand/Annie in some time.Last edit: 2012-03-06 12:44:16 |
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| beefhamburger United States. March 06 2012 12:44. Posts 1822 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 12:38 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:36 Frolossus wrote:
regi plays brand, malz, kass and tf
jiji plays cass and annie
scarra plays kat sometimes
100% sure jiji is top tier TF, certainly much better than regi, and 99% sure that his malz is much stronger as well.
and jiji's cass is pretty bad, at least for the past few months. He can play her adequately but never enough to even semi-carry his team. |
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| Shikyo Finland. March 06 2012 12:44. Posts 20251 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:35 barbsq wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
this has been said before in GD, but basically, poppy's entire kit consists of her first 3 skills, and riot had a full champion kit put together. They just kinda slapped her ult on at the end, kus all champs had an ult. It would be nice for them to adjust or simply scrap her ult for a new one (IMO) kus as it stands, I find it pretty silly and makes her a pain to deal with. The rest of her kit is cool, the charge especially. It was the first wall-conditional stun (and still one of 2? they havn't made anymore that i can think of besides vayne's) and i suspect it's the same sort of tech that they used for nautilus' q for wall grabbing. edit: basically where i was going with the end is that I really like her 3 normal skills, and they work together really well for a high-mobility champ, but there's a sort of disconnect with her ult, where it doesn't totally fit with the other 3.
How? She's supposed to be a singletarget assassin, which she does by speeding up with W and then using EQ to burst a target down. The ulti synergizes with that perfectly and is supposedly what lets her just 1v1 the target of her choosing.
A change I could see happening if Poppy becomes overpowered is that during her ulti she could only attack the target she has ultid, but otherwise it makes perfect sense to me. |
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| Hidden_MotiveS Canada. March 06 2012 12:45. Posts 2019 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:42 Eiii wrote:
Yeah, I could get behind an ult change. By far my least favorite part of her :s
If they get rid of the old ult they better introduce a new one that's just as unique and imbawinba! |
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| nojok France. March 06 2012 12:49. Posts 1986 | Profile # |
| Why change poppy now? She's great as she is now! Well I have to say I play her way more than I face her. QSS still exists anyway. |
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| tobi9999 United States. March 06 2012 12:50. Posts 1212 | Profile # |
| Reginald can play every AP hero that isn't Anivia, Orianna, Swain, fizz, heimer, karma, morde, veigar, or viktor pretty well IMO. |
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| Nehsb United States. March 06 2012 12:52. Posts 194 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 12:50 tobi9999 wrote:
Reginald can play every AP hero that isn't Anivia, Orianna, Swain, fizz, heimer, karma, morde, veigar, or viktor pretty well IMO.
Then you haven't seen how bad his xerath is |
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| Zdrastochye United States. March 06 2012 12:54. Posts 1750 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:08 red_ wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:02 Zdrastochye wrote:
On March 06 2012 11:50 Shikyo wrote:
On March 06 2012 11:47 Eiii wrote:
On March 06 2012 08:10 Two_DoWn wrote:
If by some colossal miracle (mistake) Riot ever takes my advice on shit the first thing I would push for would be for poppy to get remade.
Even if poppy is UP or whatever, I'd hate to see her changed significantly at this point Yeah, she doesn't really fit in standard games, but she's an interesting and potentially very powerful champion! There's a good chance that eventually someone will really figure her out and put her to a good use in a tournament or something like that. I don't think champs that are 'bad' just because they don't fit into the majority of games should be normalized.
Oh poppy isn't considered bad(at least by the person you quoted), people just think her power curve is too steep(worst champion in the game early by far, hardest carry in the game late). However I don't think there's anything wrong with that, she's fun to play as and possible to shut down and takes skill to play and has counters, however rewarding as well if you play her properly.
Hyperbole after hyperbole... She fits her role adequately, she's not the worst champion at 0 minutes, and the best one at 60. She's very strong when played correctly, as are all hypercarries. Her early game is just significantly worse and abusable by several very popular top laners, otherwise she'd have been played a lot more before now.
So what you're saying is... she's the worst laner in the game, aka the worst early champion in the game? Gotcha, because for a moment there I thought you weren't contradicting yourself. Only a moment though.
Her early laning is significantly worse than several popular top laners. That doesn't make her early game the worst ever by far, bar none. How is that contradicting?
You totally one-upped me though, great job.Last edit: 2012-03-06 12:58:24 |
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| CeriseCherries United States. March 06 2012 13:04. Posts 4711 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 12:52 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:50 tobi9999 wrote:
Reginald can play every AP hero that isn't Anivia, Orianna, Swain, fizz, heimer, karma, morde, veigar, or viktor pretty well IMO.
Then you haven't seen how bad his xerath is
who is his secret champion? didnt he say at idr last champ what it was that he had a secret ap champion |
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| Treadmill Canada. March 06 2012 13:07. Posts 2117 | Profile # |
On March 06 2012 12:52 Nehsb wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:50 tobi9999 wrote:
Reginald can play every AP hero that isn't Anivia, Orianna, Swain, fizz, heimer, karma, morde, veigar, or viktor pretty well IMO.
Then you haven't seen how bad his xerath is
He can't play morg either. Back when she was considered the strongest mid it was a big problem for TSM because they'd always have to ban her even when they had first pick. |
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| Hidden_MotiveS Canada. March 06 2012 13:19. Posts 2019 | Profile Blog # |
On March 06 2012 13:04 CeriseCherries wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 06 2012 12:52 Nehsb wrote:
On March 06 2012 12:50 tobi9999 wrote:
Reginald can play every AP hero that isn't Anivia, Orianna, Swain, fizz, heimer, karma, morde, veigar, or viktor pretty well IMO.
Then you haven't seen how bad his xerath is
who is his secret champion? didnt he say at idr last champ what it was that he had a secret ap champion
I think it was... cass? He used cass in IEM and I know people were all like "Regi has a secret" then.
In unrelated news I'm actually starting to like the idea of on hit effects on kayle D: |
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| arnath United States. March 06 2012 13:21. Posts 653 | Profile # |
| I'd just like to say that I've become super spoiled as a jungler by playing shit like Shyvana and Udyr that have 400+ move speed at level 1 with my starting items. Every time I play a melee like Noc or Olaf, they feel sooooooo slow in comparison. |
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