TL Mafia LII: JubJub Mafia

All indications are that scum has 2 KP. In a regular game of this size scum would have 2 KP + a Roleblocker + Framer or whatnot.

Would be perfectly reasonable to give scum an infinitely shooting Day Vig to balance out the game.

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Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 13:12. Posts 5120

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and palmar was a parity detective.

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DoctorHelvetica United States. March 17 2012 13:16. Posts 13955

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Infinite mafia dayvig seems absurd. I'm on for lynching Katina. Caller switched to Kurumi pretty late and I don't buy strong mafia roles in this game. If they get the traitor, they can use 3 powers a night and use 2 KP, that's pretty balanced.

Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:17. Posts 2759

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On March 15 2012 22:49 Caller wrote:

We have Kurumi essentially admitting he is mafia. Palmar refutes an intentional and absolutely terrible point by Kurumi to make him (Palmar) look good. It’s a fucking bus. The same shit was pulled on me when I busted open capek's photoshop a while ago with RoL. I've seen this shit before.

On March 15 2012 22:57 Caller wrote:

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i'm not voting on palmar, i'm shooting him tomorrow

Look at this load of shit. Says Kurumi is sure Mafia, then goes and votes Palmar and refuses to move his vote even though he was here at the deadline, trying to go for a Kurumi no lynch. Then this shot on someone who was 99% Town before his flip.

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Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:19. Posts 2759

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DrH, Caller did not switch onto Kurumi. He said Kurumi was sure scum but then threw his vote on Palmar where it stayed.

Calls Kurumi 100% scum then tries to get a no lynch away from Kurumi.

We need to kill him.

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Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:26. Posts 2759

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I'm also certain something happened in PM land that made Palmar consider Caller as scum especially since he declared Caller as Town before the PMs, then announced that he wanted to lynch Caller after the PMs.

Either way Caller's play the last two days show perfect scum agenda, Mafia wouldn't have been able to night kill Palmar so they went to a day kill. Not sure why they decided to go so all out but it's possible they rolechecked him last night (only 1 death), saw he was a DT, and wanted desperately to kill him. That or they just wanted to get a confirmed Town Palmar out of the way. Caller also tried to force a no lynch last day despite calling Kurumi certain scum.

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jaybrundage United States. March 17 2012 13:36. Posts 1790

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Hm not sure how I feel about a caller lynch. It was a dumb play by him to shoot Palmar.

Matt if you knows Palmar's role. Do you know his checks?

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Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:41. Posts 2759

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He likely got killed while he was asleep.

There is no plausible Town reason for Caller to shoot and more importantly NO REASON for Caller to call Kurumi certain scum then try his hardest to force a no lynch. He can't even pretend that he wasn't here near the deadline because he hadn't voted earlier, he came in to throw his vote onto Palmar to try to force a no lynch.

Caller is 100% scum, kill it with fire.

On March 16 2012 11:47 Caller wrote:
##Vote: Palmar

Here is his vote. Literally 13 minutes before deadline. After posting these:

On March 15 2012 22:57 Caller wrote:

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i'm not voting on palmar, i'm shooting him tomorrow

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Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 13:49. Posts 5120

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he checked VE for a confirmed town

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Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 13:50. Posts 5120

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i dont know who he checked last night he was gonna tell me close to deadline but wasnt around... and then was shot by some jubjub before he got back

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Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:51. Posts 2759

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Yeah, parity DT needs at least 2 nights to get an info check on someone though. Did he happen to tell who he checked night 2 before he died? My guess is he was asleep since the deadline is 3 AM his time but maybe we can hope.

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Curu Canada. March 17 2012 13:52. Posts 2759

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Yeah sucks. Wasn't a jubjub that shot him though, it was scum.

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Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 13:53. Posts 5120

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if you havent used your second pm curu.. i would like to talk with you

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jaybrundage United States. March 17 2012 14:06. Posts 1790

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Matt btw we are arent lynching me today. So vote someone that you think we should lynch.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.

Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 14:09. Posts 5120

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On March 17 2012 14:06 jaybrundage wrote:
Matt btw we are arent lynching me today. So vote someone that you think we should lynch.

why shouldn't we?

On March 16 2012 19:41 Palmar wrote:

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Why are you actively trying to discredit me. That lynch wouldn't have happened without me outing Kurumi's claim in the thread.

It seems like a very odd and selfish and dumb choice of strategy to simply jump on someone who's actively trying to get scum killed, and then claiming so much town credit for yourself, to the point you're demanding medic protection. Excuse me but... who the fuck do you think you are?

I mean, sure while I think it should be obvious to anyone with half a brain that I'm town, it might not be, but what's your motivation here?

On March 17 2012 09:00 Palmar wrote:

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Dumb, bad or scum.

In all three cases further input from you into the thread are not needed.

There is always tomorrow nshs.seal.

Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 14:38. Posts 5120

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going to philly for st pattys day... i wont be on for like 36 hours almost.

i might check in on my phone if sober enough

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Mattchew United States. March 17 2012 14:48. Posts 5120

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btw sandroba you should pm me if you havent used your second one

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jaybrundage United States. March 17 2012 15:02. Posts 1790

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Matt You may have had a town read on Palmar. But honestly im used to Palmar doing much better in games. And to give anyone "Confirmed Town" status at any point in a game is dumb. If you remember correctly in the last game of mafia we played Kaller. I thought Jayjay54 was town. However i could not of been farther from wrong. He was scum that game.

That has taught me a lesson I won't soon forget. No one is "Confirmed Town."

I wasn't sure on my read on Palmar. I was hoping he was town, but I didn't know for sure. That's why i kept pressuring him I was going to make sure that no one gave Palmar a "Confirmed Town" title. Also he did cause the death of two townies

Respectively: Node, and Jackal58

Why do you think I told Caller to not shoot Palmar?

Something didn't sit right about it. I thought he was suspicious however I didn't want him dead.

Regardless look at my other actions besides pressuring Palmar. (Which I don't regret by the way.)
Pushing Kurumi and Katina trying to get in-actives to talk.

Matt one more thing you were calling people to pull off the Kurumi case and now your telling people to not vote on the Katina case. Every thought you could be wrong?

I still think the Katina lynch is the way to go and if not that i would be fine pushing BM as well.

The more you sweat in training, the less you bleed in battle.

Mr. Wiggles Canada. March 17 2012 15:18. Posts 4685

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I really love all the talk about different lurkers, but while you're arguing that, you should also place scrutiny into this group:

Mr. Wiggles
Deconduo
Caller
Curu
Dr. H
prplhz
Bill Murray

Roughly a quarter of the game is scum, and considering balance, at least one, if not two of the people on this list are scum. I know I'm town, and I'm pretty certain Decon is town, so that leaves 5 other names. containing something like one or two scum. I'm going to read over these people's filters, and see what I can find. I suggest you do the same thing. If we decide not to lynch into this list today, that's fine, as it's likely that people from this list will continue dying night by night, and as they do, the list will become smaller, and thus pressure on the scum in it should increase, if you keep it in mind. Just don't enter the endgame with only one person from here alive, and not consider the possibility that they're a flaming red mafioso.

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