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| DoctorHelvetica United States. March 21 2012 12:45. Posts 13955 | Profile Blog # |
On March 21 2012 12:33 Mattchew wrote:
with the way abenson has played i wouldnt be surprised... bussing him wouldn't shock me at all
from my pov why bus a lurker who is getting no attention? you bus to misdirect or when a bandwagon gets too strong not just because you can |
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| Mattchew United States. March 21 2012 12:54. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
bandwagon was pretty strong we had 4 votes switch from wiggles to abenson (+1 to get to 5 out of 7 needed) in like a matter or 30 minutes
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| EchelonTee United States. March 21 2012 13:14. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
On March 20 2012 22:11 deconduo wrote:
Sandroba, Jaybrudage, Curu, Sentinel, Abenson, BM you guys need to claim your masons now.
this
I'm the one who prty much initiated the Abenson lynch (even though a lot of people agreed with me without expressing mcuh on the topic earlier...), so JB being on it isn't so much a bus, as a "vote for nearest lynch".
btw when I said @layabout any scum hunting, that was meant to be @jaybrundage, mbad. JB you said last night that you were going to be looking through filters, dyou have any original reads, or is it still Katina-Abenson at this point? |
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| EchelonTee United States. March 21 2012 13:17. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
| to clarify: if JB is scum, and voting for scum Abenson, it shouldn't even be classified as a bus. not making assumptions on anyone's alignment. |
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| EchelonTee United States. March 21 2012 15:11. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
Mr. Wiggles
On March 20 2012 13:16 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Why would I ask you to lynch me? I also never told you to lynch into the list right away, either.1. I told you that there's scum in the list, and if everyone dies in it except for a few people, then you have a scum there nearly for sure. I don't see why I'd give reasoning for not lynching myself, when I wouldn't lynch myself, and know I'm town. I kept myself on the list for everyone, but took myself and deconduo off for myself, so there's no need to justify not lynching myself, to myself.
2. I put a lot more into that PM, because the PM was mostly hypothesis that needed external confirmation. I never said that Palmar was scum, just that everyone calling him confirmed town was stupid and that I wanted to probe deeper into his reasonings and keep my eye on him. Palmar didn't take out Kurumi, Kurumi took out himself. Palmar made a super-timid wishy-washy post saying that Kurumi claimed to him, and didn't even push the lynch. I even wrote this in my PM, if you read it.3. If you think this was an attempt to get you to push Palmar, then I don't know what to say. I didn't say he was certain scum, I never asked you to push him in the thread, and I never even proclaimed I had decided for myself that he was scum, because I was still trying to get him to tell me why he shot Jackal. Also, there's no way you'd have been able to lynch Palmar by yourself, even if I asked you to. If I wanted to do that, I'd have had to lead the lynch myself. So, that wouldn't even be a realistic plan.
Also, when you're posting a case that 4.has a large basis in your PM communications with someone, why wouldn't you post the relevant PMs? I think that would show a lot more, and let people form their own opinion.
1. my point is that your conclusion doesn't really make sense, and has the tone of someone trying to contribute, when really you aren't. Caller and Kurumi are both vets; the scum team could easily be rounded out by newer players.
2/3. I might've jumped the gun a bit when I said "you were trying to get me to push Palmar", but it still stands that you put a LOT more effort in your read on Palmar, while comparatively very little on the rest on the game, and when palmar flipped green I had to rescrutinize you. Believe me, everyone sheeping Palmar annoyed me and I was very skeptical, but anyone should've been able to recognize that him and Mattchew hammering Kurumi was a big deal.
4.My case doesn't have a "large basis" in pm communications, but you're right that I should've posted the logs. The basis of case is that you've been very apathetic about the game, not caring about the proceedings and only making slight prods at people, when you've have had more than enough information and time to do stuff. You're in-thread lack of presence and purpose looks rly scummy.
On March 20 2012 15:07 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
The best thing to do with either of them, would be to 5. put actual lynch pressure on them, and see how they react. Not make little cases that don't amount to anything, but seriously threaten them with the lynch until they can satisfy us that they're actually town.
Also, EchelonTee, what do you think of 6.Curu agreeing with your case?
5. that's what i'm doing towards you, and I don't like how you're reacting; you haven't rly addressed that you've been very listless in thread, while being way more active in pms where you can't be as easily tracked.
6. i thought it was a little weird considering he hasn't said anything on these topics on the past (forgive me if i'm wrong), but curu likes agreeing with others i spose.
On March 21 2012 00:34 Mr. Wiggles wrote:
Your reasoning is terrible. You take a list posted by Palmar, where if you're telling the truth, has 2 townies on it who flipped and another who is checked, and two scum, and say that we should lynch everyone on the list? 7.How about I list 10 people in the game, I'm sure I'd hit scum too. Appealing to authority like that shows you don't actually have a basis for lynching me, or at least not one of your own, so you have to regurgitate what Palmar has said.
7. .....that is EXACTLY what you did earlier!!! "here's a lynch of vets, gotta be scum in here, if there's still some alive in this list, lynch the rest whoopee!" by criticizing Matt, you're contradicting yourself here VERY glaringly.
On March 21 2012 06:37 Mr. Wiggles wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On March 21 2012 06:28 Curu wrote:
So why have you not Masoned anyone?
And why Bill Murray? What about Abenson or Katina?
I haven't masoned anyone, because a bunch of people masoned me, so I figured I could save them for later in the game if I wanted to. After everyone claimed their contacts though, 8. everyone talking to me went silent, for whatever reason. I don't see how that would reflect on my alignment at all. If you're talking about the lynch, I said Bill Murray, 9. because he's the most dangerous of the lurkers, and because Dr. H drew a link between them. If you look at my post, it's not a "Let's kill this person and ignore the others" kind of thing, it's meant to go systematically through the people and actually threaten them with the lynch to see how they react. If we still think they're scum, we follow through. That's basically what's happening to abenson right now. He's actually being threatened with the lynch, and if he can't do anything to stop that, he will be killed. I wanted to start with Bill Murray though, instead of abenson. Notice how I called him out, and then he suddenly jumps into the thread, OMGUS's, and promises future analysis which he has yet to deliver on. That show's he's actively lurking, not just inactive, and he wants to acquiesce the town. Also, now that we've seen mafia can have a role like day-vig, can't BM acting 'like a blue' also be interpreted as being a mafia power role?
8. I have tried to talk to you plenty, and it takes forever for you to respond. i can understand if you're busy with RL stuff, but at some point it feels like you are being evasive.
9. how exactly is BM the most dangerous of the lurkers? you don't even go into his posts, or try and distinguish him from other lurkers. BM is someone who I've seen time and time again reveal his true colors very obviously as the game goes on; I only see him as dangerous in the early game when he causes a ruckus (TL L).
I don't like your defenses at all. deconduo any reason you think wiggles is town, or is it just from pms?
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| jaybrundage United States. March 21 2012 15:43. Posts 1790 | Profile # |
I haven't called my self confirmed town in ages. And to be frank I don't care if you think I'm town or mafia at this point. You're playing sloppy, tunneling a townie all game is really making you look bad. Read my post's from the perspective of a townie or mafia and see which one makes the most sense. You tunneling like this is really hurting your play.
I think I have done well to establish what I want to do this game, and that is lynch scum. Unless you think I'm willing to bus every single one of my teammates. Then it's unlikely I'm scum. You have been tunneling me hard just like Matt.
Doc do you not think that Abenson is scum. Do you think he has been a contributing townie?
In response to ET I PM'd prplhz which I claimed already and posted the PM's to Prlphz and JayBrundage's Pms I also PM'd Curu and claimed to him. Because why not.
ET I was looking thru Layabout's PM's because I wasn't sure if he might be scum. But at the moment I'm getting a null-read.
And then there was BM but Palmar checked him. But I still stand by my read's on Abenson and Katina. And Katina was my original read silly XD. She has been scummy from the get go. And her case just gets clearer and clearer. I'm pretty damn certain she is scum. Ill be posting a compilation of my cases on Katina soon. I think we should all just go for Abenson and then start talking about who we should lynch next. We can't the discussion die down. |
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| [UoN]Sentinel United States. March 21 2012 19:05. Posts 2717 | Profile Blog # |
Leaving my final mason on Mattchew.
In the meantime I'm getting a lot more time on my hands and there's less posts to read now, so I might just stop lurking and contribute (Also because Protactinium told me to).
On March 20 2012 01:40 prplhz wrote:
I'd rather just lynch blindly into whatever list Palmar posted before he died.
But no contributing yet. I'll probably just follow this train of thought instead.
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| Mattchew United States. March 22 2012 01:42. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| well this is fun. I'm trying to figure out if scum gave up or are sitting back laughing their asses off |
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| [UoN]Sentinel United States. March 22 2012 02:15. Posts 2717 | Profile Blog # |
On March 22 2012 01:42 Mattchew wrote:
well this is fun. I'm trying to figure out if scum gave up or are sitting back laughing their asses off
Well if I were scum I'd probably be giving up now, especially if next lynch is red. |
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| EchelonTee United States. March 22 2012 04:01. Posts 3404 | Profile # |
@JB yeah that quote from deconduo was just a general call for people who hadn't claimed pms to do so, if you already did then mbad. and you're right, you were one of the first who accused Katina, though your initial reasoning to do so I found pretty weak.
waiting eagerly for this flip... |
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| layabout United Kingdom. March 22 2012 05:07. Posts 1908 | Profile Blog # |
Since abenson has decided to "say goodbye" i see no reason for us to change the vote at all
I think that kurumi was probably the traitor because if that is true then his play actually makes sense. Do others agree or disagree with this?
If he was not the traitor then if the real traitor would have contacted kurumi and then joined the mafia or failing that + Show Spoiler +because some derps actually thought kurumi might be town, i mean can you believe it? i know right?
they would have contacted caller the next day when it became clear that absolutely everybody was voting for him and he was probably scum.
So if Kurumi was not the traitor we could come up with a narrow down our suspects with a list of players that could have made private contact with either Kurumi or caller.
a quick look here shows that only [UoN]sentinel and DrH were in contact with them.
+ Show Spoiler +I am also wondering how reliable that spreadsheet is |
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| layabout United Kingdom. March 22 2012 05:16. Posts 1908 | Profile Blog # |
| well jackal and palmar were talking to kurumi but they both flipped town |
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| Mattchew United States. March 22 2012 05:17. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
On March 22 2012 05:07 layabout wrote:Since abenson has decided to "say goodbye" i see no reason for us to change the vote at all I think that kurumi was probably the traitor because if that is true then his play actually makes sense. Do others agree or disagree with this? If he was not the traitor then if the real traitor would have contacted kurumi and then joined the mafia or failing that + Show Spoiler +because some derps actually thought kurumi might be town, i mean can you believe it? i know right? they would have contacted caller the next day when it became clear that absolutely everybody was voting for him and he was probably scum. So if Kurumi was not the traitor we could come up with a narrow down our suspects with a list of players that could have made private contact with either Kurumi or caller. a quick look here shows that only [UoN]sentinel and DrH were in contact with them. + Show Spoiler +I am also wondering how reliable that spreadsheet is
decon cant check dead peoples pm web. IMO talks of traitor should be completely negated because he was found. It doesn't matter now. we have 3 scum lets just find them |
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| Mattchew United States. March 22 2012 05:18. Posts 5120 | Profile Blog # |
| and i think we have a really good start with lynching abenson/wiggles |
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| deconduo Ireland. March 22 2012 05:50. Posts 3597 | Profile Blog # |
-Kurumi was almost certainly the traitor
-A mafia probably masoned him, as his picks have flipped town.
-We know Dr.H picked him. The only other possible candidates are Abenson who is about to flip anyway, and Curu.
Consider that for a bit. |
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| deconduo Ireland. March 22 2012 05:50. Posts 3597 | Profile Blog # | |
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| Bill Murray United States. March 22 2012 05:56. Posts 7057 | Profile Blog # |
I'm unvoting
Wiggles is going in my town list
I almost voted Abenson without even coming back to the thread, but seeing Wiggles posting the way he does reminds me of when I'm about to be lynched as a townie. I'm catching up backwards, so I haven't seen if anyone has claimed anything, and only caught this from a spoiler in a Mattchew or an EchelonTee post.
I really view the Abenson lynch as pro-town, even if he is town
If Abenson is a pro-town PR: He needs to claim asap, and we need to assess whether or not we believe him to be a PR or scum. I don't think this will be an issue whatsoever. If Abenson is pro-town townie: It's sort of a policy lynch; I don't care if he's scum, basically. Abenson, afaik, is really rusty, and he wasn't someone I'd have wanted in LYLO when you could have players like myself, deconduo, or curu making decisions instead, if curu even makes it that far. I love Abenson, always have, always will, but this, at worst, is a "cutting the fat" lynch that wiggles was trying to push on me (he didn't know I've been in PM land a bit more than people expect). If Abenson is scum, we crack a bottle of Patron, put it on ice, hi-five, and bromance.
If you all want another candidate, I would definitely recommend EchelonTee. He and Caller were my initial scumreads, so I'm definitely wanting to go with that. I don't really have a case, it's just more the general feel of his early posting that made me believe he is scum... of course, I believed Mattchew was scum, too, but given the way the game has gone, I doubt he is.
##vote: Abenson
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| layabout United Kingdom. March 22 2012 06:18. Posts 1908 | Profile Blog # | |
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| DoctorHelvetica United States. March 22 2012 06:35. Posts 13955 | Profile Blog # |
On March 22 2012 06:18 layabout wrote:
when did drH pick him?
Early day 1, pressured him. Got nothing out of it. I don't think Kurumi was the traitor either, but rather scum looking for traitor. This is some WIFOM armchair psychology stuff but why would traitor make himself so clear? If I'm traitor, I'm a bit afraid and I'd play really inactively. Scum will probably figure that the traitor will be inactive or playing really sheepishly and just start rolechecking into people who don't post.
The way he said he was trying to trick traitor into claiming to him or scum into wasting their check on him confirms that to me, that it was planned and that he was scum looking for traitor. You get to bait for traitor all game then say that you were just baiting scum, it's a good defense but his fake claim sealed the deal for him. There was no reason for him to lie about being dreamer as town, especially against someone who he had no reason to "know" was town like Jackal.
Because he flipped red, that means scum guessed him on Night 1 right? Scum catch the traitor and then just immediately let him fakeclaim like he did? It seems unlikely to me. He very well could be traitor, but I think it's more likely Abenson or Katina or Jaybrundage. |
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| DoctorHelvetica United States. March 22 2012 06:42. Posts 13955 | Profile Blog # |
On March 21 2012 15:43 jaybrundage wrote:I haven't called my self confirmed town in ages. And to be frank I don't care if you think I'm town or mafia at this point. You're playing sloppy, tunneling a townie all game is really making you look bad. Read my post's from the perspective of a townie or mafia and see which one makes the most sense. You tunneling like this is really hurting your play. I think I have done well to establish what I want to do this game, and that is lynch scum. Unless you think I'm willing to bus every single one of my teammates. Then it's unlikely I'm scum. You have been tunneling me hard just like Matt. Doc do you not think that Abenson is scum. Do you think he has been a contributing townie? In response to ET I PM'd prplhz which I claimed already and posted the PM's to Prlphz and JayBrundage's Pms I also PM'd Curu and claimed to him. Because why not. ET I was looking thru Layabout's PM's because I wasn't sure if he might be scum. But at the moment I'm getting a null-read. And then there was BM but Palmar checked him. But I still stand by my read's on Abenson and Katina. And Katina was my original read silly XD. She has been scummy from the get go. And her case just gets clearer and clearer. I'm pretty damn certain she is scum. Ill be posting a compilation of my cases on Katina soon. I think we should all just go for Abenson and then start talking about who we should lynch next. We can't the discussion die down.
Why is tunneling bad? I haven't tunneled you all game, I'm just on you today because I've been busy and you were one of my strongest reads since the beginning of the game.
I don't know, Abenson is really inactive, but isn't that exactly his meta? He's probably a disinterested townie or the traitor. Whether I vote for him or not, he's gonna die today so I don't really feel the need to move my vote. I think you're scum so I'm voting for you.
You can't say that you're not confirmed and then that I look bad for tunneling a townie because no one knows your alignment except you and scum. Do you not see why that bothers me? katina has called me out for stupid reasons but I'm not saying she looks like shit for "tunneling a townie" because my alignment isn't confirmed. It doesn't look bad to anyone except you and possibly your stupid scumbuddies. If I had the time I'd write a big post on you but you've been on my radar since Day 1 doing a lot of meek posts about worthless things like LaL which don't help town (townies lie often in TL, everyone knows this)
Then you come out later blazingly confident asking people to roleclaim to you for no reason, sheeping Palmar basically, and now you're still talking to me like you're confirmed and I'm an idiot for suspecting you. Get real. |
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