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There are situations in which it may be advantageous to announce that you have been PM-ing a player. However, announcing who you are in contact with by default shares information that is of little use to town but that scum would benefit from knowing. For example, if an all-town PM circle was established and announced immediately scum would know that all the players were town and they could then react to this. 2. I like butter 3. Obligatory MS-Paint: + Show Spoiler + | ||
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On March 12 2012 00:00 Abenson wrote: My post can summarized as this: When did TL Mafia started allowing PM's again? That does not mean I am unaware of the fact that we can PM in this game. Maybe post that here instead? http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=133814 @Jitsu, what do you mean by player that lie should be "held accountable"? Are you suggesting that: We always lynch players that lie - a suggestion that is sort of bad. Or We consider that they have lied and then evaluate the player based on their overall play - since we should be doing this anyway this seems to be equivalent to suggesting we lynch the player that we think is most likely to flip mafia ? | ||
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On March 12 2012 01:20 Jitsu wrote: What do you think it means? Accountable means subject to the obligation to report, explain, or justify something; responsible; answerable. If a player lies, and can't do the above, we kill him. If he can justify it, and it's a logical and clearly visible motive, we don't. Why do you think a player who lies shouldn't be lynched? Is it you're opinion that lying isn't Anti-Town? Town lie all the time. Town make illogical moves all the time. Town play anti-town all the time. But if we think they are town we do not lynch them. | ||
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On March 12 2012 01:37 Jitsu wrote: So, a player that is, according to you: 1. lying 2. playing illogically 3. playing anti-town ...has the potential to not be lynched because we might think they are town? No. That person will be getting my vote, and I will be doing what I can to push for their lynch, especially if those three things come up. You can do whatever you want with your vote, I guess. The steps to overcoming the belief that town players will do what is best for town 1. Click on this link 2. Scroll down 3. When you reach the playerlist click on Toadesstern and rgtheschworz 4. Read through both fliters, paying particular attention to the numerous lies both of them make 5. Discover that townies lie, play anti-town and play illlogically 6. Apologise to layabout Jitsu, being able to guess whether or not a player is town or scum is quite difficult even if players are all acting sensibly. You have to learn to deal with the additional complexity introduced by players playing poorly, illogically or even against their own win condition. | ||
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On March 12 2012 04:01 Mattchew wrote: so can someone explain to me why keeping your talking buddies private is helpful to town? What i want to know is who people were talking to outside of thread before they die. It seems very helpful to scum to not reveal who they are PM'ing and kill them off if they are suspicious of them and we don't want to hold them accountable for being in talks with them? hmmm... it is pretty obvious and has been stated in part already. wait a minute On November 30 2011 07:47 Mattchew wrote: Layabout, I am not sure if you are town or scum, either way you are retarded and I hope to god that someone off's you quickly and you ragequit the mafia forum and I never have to read a post by you again. vote mattchew unless somebody claims scum i am killing this guy | ||
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I mean, look how scummy he is! He isn't even trying to derail the thread or bore people to death by beating already dead topics with a stick! Does anybody think it would be a bad idea to lynch jaybrundage? | ||
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"Hey guys lets talk about LaL" - i detest this the discussion is not productive and it rarely achieves anything "i shall vote for player as the game starts for no reason" - i may have done this myself, lets just move on "Hey i think we should share who we PM" - this is dumb pro-mafia sheeping "Lets be harsh on lurkers and try to make them post by playing like blazinghand" - easy to cause a day1 mislynch which you can avoid responsibilty for, not really helpful "If somebody you don't trust asks for your role it is okay for you to not give it to them" - this is a redundant point that looks almost like a contribution, but it is not. "We should also lynch all liars because i was in a game where a player that was quite clearly town lied and was lynched at endgame because nobody trusted him causing town to lose" - he seems very pro policy lynch doesn't he? "I still think that we should announce our PMs but i am less sure than i was earlier because i am not sure if town are buying this crap" "lets lynch into this *arbitrary lynch of players yet to post" because by saying we should kill lurkers i can avoiding forcing analysis". so yeah lets kill Jaybrundage Vote: jaybrundage | ||
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Whilst we could debate the "should we announce our neighbours issue" further, this is the internet, nobody is obliged to admit they are wrong at any point and it is very hard to agree upon a conclusion. Furthermore there is next to no chance of everyone actually following that plan anyway. It has acted as a conversation starter but we need to move away from it and I am going go read some of callers old games and/or sleep. | ||
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On March 12 2012 08:34 DoctorHelvetica wrote: I would call you scum for making these worthless announcements but Storm Mafia is giving me some hesitations. We should have nailed WBG from the start, I laid the foundation wait until storm ends before we start talking about it | ||
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Was it the narrative at the begin that was suppoosed to address the case against him? Was it was the "you called my case flimsy, how about i address none of your points and clarify none of my points and pretend to have refuted your criticism?" Or maybe it was the I cannot be bothered to think of somehthing to say about layabout part? | ||
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This is the reasoning that i support http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=13887020 His tone looks like his scum tone My only reservation is that Town Jackal is slow to establish his innocence and he tends to look a bit scummy at the beginning of almost every game. ##voteJackal58 | ||
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I am not moving my vote. | ||
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Hey フシギソウ leave バタフリー alone! | ||
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On March 13 2012 06:28 gumshoe wrote: Can someone summarize the case against node for me He is a "wishy washy sheep". I think that's it. | ||
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If Jackal is lying about his role, it should be exposed fairly soon and we would be able to lynch him if this were to happen. If Jackal is not lying then whether his role is beneficial to town or not, he is town and we should not lynch him. So we really do not have to lynch him. The main problem that we face is that we are running short on time and the other candidates look green. I think Jitsu is town. I think caller is town. I also think that i need to sleep. I want to post this + Show Spoiler [click for win] + Kurumi is not trolling. It follows that he is probably scum. ##Vote Kurumi but it is too late for that. Instead: DocH who of the current lynch targets would you least like to lynch? | ||
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