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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. March 12 2012 22:04. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
On March 12 2012 21:51 phagga wrote:
Ehm, is there a voting thread already? Because I don't see one linked in the OP. Or do we vote in this thread here?
I think its this thread itself, as there was no link in the op and it had "This Thread" underlined. |
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| GMarshal United States. March 12 2012 22:04. Posts 20828 | Profile Blog # |
On March 12 2012 21:51 phagga wrote:
Ehm, is there a voting thread already? Because I don't see one linked in the OP. Or do we vote in this thread here?
Here please |
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| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 12 2012 23:29. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas.
You didn't accuse him? Short of actually voting for the fellow, threatening to vote for someone is as accusatory as it gets:
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On March 12 2012 01:57 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:
On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time
On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up  I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies.
But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though
Yeah, it was a funny coincedence that he posted that right before i woke up. i also pointed out the post before how the suspicion should also be on me. The thing is though, his post was extremely messed up and seemed very scummy. i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything.
On March 12 2012 01:59 Nova_Terra wrote:
EBWOP: and if cosine doesnt post and we dont get any other leads i feel that he would be a good lynch candidate.
Also, why so angry? Why do you insist (once again) on explaining the motives for your change of atitude? I pointed out that you were quick to turn defensive (or frustrated, as you say) when you were called out on it and it is my opinion that this is suspicious behavior, but that this doesn't matter for now because it is not worth it to push on a talkative (potential) mafia because there will be plenty of time for you to slip up later on if you really are scum. Now your answer is to threaten me, calling me suspicious?
Anyway, question here: if the we agree to lynch a lurker, how are we gonna go about it? Bandwagon on the first non-replied accusation? At this point, besides Elean, we can consider a Inferno as a lurker. His post may not be contradictory like Elean (as in, he doesn't call himself worthless and suggests himself to be lynched), but he also hasn't contributed to the thread. Firmtofu looked like he was gonna participate but also hasn't said anything. |
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| Mementoss Canada. March 12 2012 23:58. Posts 2481 | Profile Blog # |
Alright I'm going to post my thoughts about a few specific discussions/players that have been going on lately:
@sbrubbles/Nova_terra discussion:
I don't think sbrubbles first two posts were fluff/useless they were both effective at pressuring responses out of the two people he directed it at, nova_terra and koritora. The reason I think he was drawn into getting a response out of Nova_terra is because so far he has shown to be an emotional player. Seems to get frustrated/offended if people question his style or motives. That being said, I think that's all I think of him based on his posts now, an active emotional townie. At least his activity spark discussion which is overall good for the town. Sbrubbles getting a response from koritora was important cause it showed he's at least paying attention to the thread, unlike Elenathus who hasn't responded to the suspicions on him.
@Elenathus
Still hasn't responded to the couple of claims from different players calling him suspicious. A bit scummy, but not enough responsiveness to show true signs of being scum.
@Firmtofu
I find this case a bit interesting. Posts twice early, to get out of the "lurking" zone. Lets look at these posts:
On March 11 2012 11:49 FirmTofu wrote:
A no lynch is always better than a lynch unfounded in evidence.
Or is it?
We can watch the who votes on who. We can observe who listens to who. We can deduce who has a inherently positive disposition to who.
I find myself sounding rather like an owl :/
A confusing fluff post. Says one thing, but than questions it in the next sentence. Wishy washy behaviours. Onto post 2.
On March 11 2012 16:01 FirmTofu wrote:
I say we lynch a lurker. Take your pick.
6.) InfernOokami7
7.) koritora
8.) Eleanthas
9.) Sbrubbles
10.) cosine
12.) Nova_Terra
If they talk, don't kill them. Pretty simple concept I'm sure we can all agree on. Lurkers aren't going to help anyone.
If they talk, don't kill them. Great, as expected everyone talked. Now what firmtofu? Then says the sentence in bold. Calls lynching lurkers the best option, and talking for the town saying we agree on it. However, at the time, most people were trying to pressure people into talking and actually putting a day 1 case together with an option for a lurker lynch if the cases don't flesh out. Ironically, after he posts this he just lurks.
Also before the game he states how he is no n00b and actually participated in many mafia. He is an enthusiast, so his lack of posting shouldn't be because of a noob not reading the thread, or someone who lacks interest in the game. So why the lurking? He may just be busy, but I think the way he assumed/pushed the lurker lynch. And the inconsistentness between his first 2 posts --> Goes from no lynch w/o evidence, to better to lynch regardless, to we should make cases on what people say, to lurker lynch.
I'm not saying he's scum for sure, but I think this is suspicious. I am looking forward to hear his response, and will appropriately judge more from there.
@activity of the game: we are about 12.5 hours away from voting deadline, and I feel like we need to be more active in order to put a lynch case that most can agree on together. As of now, there is no strong case for a lynch, neither is there a general agreement on the lynch. Only upped discussion and analysis will help us here.
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| ZBot March 13 2012 00:01. Posts 194 | Profile # |
Day 1 vote. Remember you need a majority at the deadline to lynch,
Current votes:
Not voting: FirmTofu, Nova_Terra, Eleanthas, cosine, koritora, Gossemerr, Mementoss, Janaan, Seviro, InfernOokami7, Sbrubbles, phagga
The Day deadline is at 2012-03-13 12:00:00. (That's approximately 11:58:58 from now.) |
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| Mementoss Canada. March 13 2012 00:01. Posts 2481 | Profile Blog # |
| EBWOP: @Infern0akami: Has posted a couple of times, but mostly just a quick statement. Not much into sharing his opinions yet or actually putting together a case. Still considered a lurker by me and would like to here his opinions on the current activities in the thread, or if he has any people he is suspicious of. |
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| phagga Switzerland. March 13 2012 00:39. Posts 1057 | Profile # |
Concerning InfernOokami7: I was not aware that all his posts were already written quite early. I share the suspicioun towards him that was brought up by others.
Also, a small correction: The vote deadline is at 4 am in my Timezone, so I will normally cast my final vote 6 to 4 hours before the deadline.
I might not be online before the 8 hour soft deadline, so I vote now. I will be online again before the real deadline, so I will have time to adjust should something substantial happen.
FirmTofu is my choice because I feel that he tried to establish activity with 2 fast posts and then disappeared. The posts don't have any real content, the first one is just fluff and the second one is an invalid list.
##Vote FirmTofu |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. March 13 2012 01:08. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
On March 12 2012 23:29 Sbrubbles wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 14:58 Nova_Terra wrote:
On March 12 2012 10:45 Sbrubbles wrote:
Sup guys! My first post in this game, sorry it took so late!
It's hard to read someone based on the first half of the first day. On this whole Nova Terra/Cosine discussion, the only thing that stood out to me was Nova Terra's behavior, accusing and pushing on cosine (in a somewhat impatient manner), turning defensive when he's called out on it and then forgiving cosine after his post, seeming willing to go to the next topic. Being overly aggressive is not a usual day 1 mafia trait, but quickly turning defensive if called out some something is. Still, he is being active, so time will tell whether it was just a bit of town inexperience/carelessness or something more.
What is your point here? I didnt accuse him, i fos'ed him. two co pletely separate things, at least in my eyes. The pyshing on him was wanting him to respond, as was the point of my fos. I also wanted other people, like yourself, to come out of their lurking and post on this. I got frustrated when they started saying Nova_Terra is extremely eager to FoS because i was like... OH Really?!?! and then they went on to use my logic to say that he was suspicious. thats why i was mad. not exactly defensive, but frustrated at the town. Then, cosine posted exactly what i had been looking for, generating intelligent discussion. if by "willing to go onto the next topic" you mean "making new ideas that help the town and dont tunnel one person" i agree. please dont discredit my posting by calling it "inexperience/carelessness or something more" especially when this is your FIRST POST. later on i will come and explain why YOUR post seems suspicious to me. for now, im thinking eleanthas.
You didn't accuse him? Short of actually voting for the fellow, threatening to vote for someone is as accusatory as it gets: + Show Spoiler +
On March 12 2012 01:57 Nova_Terra wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 12 2012 01:51 Seviro wrote:
On March 11 2012 20:18 Nova_Terra wrote:
Please explain yourself. I dont like cosines play so far, his only post comes after someone accusing him of lurking. not only does he not bring anything new to the table, he confuses us and discredits others post (tofus) and calls it stupid.
Here I don't see how he is different than you about posting just after being accusiing of lurking since your first post was just after FirmTOfu called the current people in the game that hadn't post at this time
On March 11 2012 17:36 Nova_Terra wrote:Hey, Sorry, I was asleep for the last 8 hours and just woke up I agree with always pushing a lynch as long as there is aome evidence that shows that the person is likely to be scum. for instance lurkers, bad defenders, etc. i also agree with a no lynch as long as there is overwhelming evidence that shows lynch candidates as being townies.
But I guess you're right since he didn't post at all since then, where you have. I just think that FOSing someone this early in the game (8 hour ago was early I mean) after only a single post is a bit suspicious but I do agree that he is not clear of suspicion with his one post, not worth a FOS yet though
Yeah, it was a funny coincedence that he posted that right before i woke up. i also pointed out the post before how the suspicion should also be on me. The thing is though, his post was extremely messed up and seemed very scummy. i definitely think it is worth an FOS seeing as nothing else was happening and i want him to clarify it up. its not like i voted for him yet or anything.
On March 12 2012 01:59 Nova_Terra wrote:
EBWOP: and if cosine doesnt post and we dont get any other leads i feel that he would be a good lynch candidate.
Also, why so angry? Why do you insist (once again) on explaining the motives for your change of atitude? I pointed out that you were quick to turn defensive (or frustrated, as you say) when you were called out on it and it is my opinion that this is suspicious behavior, but that this doesn't matter for now because it is not worth it to push on a talkative (potential) mafia because there will be plenty of time for you to slip up later on if you really are scum. Now your answer is to threaten me, calling me suspicious? Anyway, question here: if the we agree to lynch a lurker, how are we gonna go about it? Bandwagon on the first non-replied accusation? At this point, besides Elean, we can consider a Inferno as a lurker. His post may not be contradictory like Elean (as in, he doesn't call himself worthless and suggests himself to be lynched), but he also hasn't contributed to the thread. Firmtofu looked like he was gonna participate but also hasn't said anything.
No, I did not accuse him, however i did say that if he didnt post again and was lurking after a suspicious post that he had made, he would be a good lynch candidate. Its no more than suggesting we lynch a suspicious lurker during the day.
I insisted once again on explaining the motives for my change of atitude because you seemed to ignore it and continue along your train of thought. felt that i had to clarify again so you would be sure to understand my motives.
Now if you were suspicious of someone, and then somebody called you suspicious for being suspicious of that person, then went on to say the exact same reasons for also finding the person you accused of being suspicious of suspicious, wouldn't you be frustrated too? It just doesn't make sense to me. like, " This makes you seem guilty, but yeah i agree for all of the reasons you just said."
And where did i threaten you? The fact that i was working on showing why i found your post to be suspicious isnt a threat. Its just what i was working on already. I didnt do it as a result or becoming mad or anything, i just wanted to show why it was strange. And once again it appears that you seem to have completely ignored my post. You should go back and read/respond to it.
@Mementoss, yeah, im mad. Its because I dont understand why the rest of the town is thinking differently than me. or thinking the same and yet finding me suspicious for thinking in the way i am. It just doesnt make sense to me
Eleanthas has my vote currently, until he posts up, and i think that he is the best candidate as the other 'lurkers' posted and his post was widely found suspicious.
##Vote Eleanthas |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. March 13 2012 01:10. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
| EBWOP: also, why would Sbrubbles want to pressure me for a response? |
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| Eleanthas Finland. March 13 2012 01:57. Posts 12 | Profile # |
Ok. Sorry for not responding. Saw discussion towards me at school with my phone, but really hard to write anything with it so decided to wait untill I come home. Anyway have been busy atm. Will change now.
So what Can i say about first post. It was really just a post to tell people I'm alive. In some forums, you get replaced if you don't speak on first half of day, so I guess I followed that rule there. Had really nothing to say. Just plain stupid first post from me.
About Nova_Terra:
He seems eager to accuse anybody scum if given even a small chance. I guess he is trying to presure players to talk to get discussion going on. Doesn't seem too scummy for me, but have to keep eye on him.
So what I think about InfernOokami7:
On March 12 2012 08:40 InfernOokami7 wrote:
I'm not 100% in favor of a no lynch on day 1 as long as there is a reasonable amount of suspicion for someone. I just didn't see the point in voting to lynch someone if the reason wasn't there because instead of just giving the mafia a free pass for the night, you're giving them a 2 for 1 deal instead.
beside that post he has 4 post saying pretty much same. I guess he is trying to lurk by stating same thing in many posts. Would like to hear about him.
And lastly about FirmTofu: Like many others pointed out FirmTofu posted 2 fast posts. Seems kinda suspicous to me. Telling to pick one of the lurkers and listing them and then vanishing. If we don't hear about him, my vote is gonna go for him.
##Vote FirmTofu
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| Janaan United States. March 13 2012 02:52. Posts 323 | Profile # |
| Catching up on the thread, I'll post my thoughts shortly. |
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| Janaan United States. March 13 2012 03:21. Posts 323 | Profile # |
@Eleanthas, good to see you. For now, I'll put my original suspicion of you to the side and move on.
@Nova Terra, now that Eleanthas showed up, does that change your opinion of him? If so, who are you most suspicious of now?
I think that FirmTofu is playing very strangely. His first post, I honestly can't tell what he was trying to say. Is he for or against a no lynch?
Then with his second post, he seems to clarify that by calling for a policy lynch and giving us a list of who exactly we should be looking at to policy lynch. His target of choice is, as usual, lurkers. The problem is, in my mind, he's the biggest lurker in the game now that Eleanthas has showed up. It seems contradictory and a bit scummy. My preliminary vote will be going to him.
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| Janaan United States. March 13 2012 03:22. Posts 323 | Profile # |
EBWOP
Added an extra space to my vote by accident.
##Vote: FirmTofu |
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| Eleanthas Finland. March 13 2012 03:25. Posts 12 | Profile # |
EBWOP
Atleast it says you have to have : on vote so making sure my vote counts
##Vote: FirmTofu |
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| Gossemerr United States. March 13 2012 04:19. Posts 91 | Profile # |
At the moment I don't see how Eleanthas is acting any more scummy than others. Regarding FirTofu, I was going to make the same case as Mementoss, but was just waiting for more posts by him / her. So, I will add my vote untill / if other information becomes available.
##Vote: FirmTofu |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. March 13 2012 04:24. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
How many times do i have to say im not acc.... forget about it
Janaan I dont really think that Firmtofu is more suspicious than say Cosine, but Cosine had a chance to come and explain. if thats the plan for a lynch though, i dont disagree.
##Unvote Eleanthas
##Vote FirmTofu
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| Mementoss Canada. March 13 2012 04:39. Posts 2481 | Profile Blog # |
I'm voting FirmTofu for the reasons laid out in one of my earlier posts. It was between him and Eleanthas for me, but Eleanthas actually showed up to defend himself. I will be on later tonight as well and if anything new comes to the table I'm up for reviewing my vote. As it stands currently however:
##Vote: FirmTofu |
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| Eleanthas Finland. March 13 2012 04:56. Posts 12 | Profile # |
| Last 2 hours to affect to my vote. Then going to go to sleep. |
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| Sbrubbles Brazil. March 13 2012 04:57. Posts 2183 | Profile # |
In terms of lack of posts, Firm and Inferno are the same, but since Firm was dead set of lynching lurkers, I suppose it is only appropriate for him to go first. I still hope both him and Inferno will show up and talk before the voting is finalized we can avoid this.
##Vote FirmTofu |
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| Nova_Terra Switzerland. March 13 2012 05:09. Posts 1180 | Profile # |
| Truthfully i have a feeling that this vote will end up mislynching a townie. I think a mafia would be defending themselves right now. even so, i dont see how we could get much of a better lynch.... |
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