| Geiko France. March 07 2012 02:12. Posts 1603 | Profile Blog # |
Hey all, I was looking at Huk's stream the other day and saw him do this cool trick in a PvP. He puts a pylon to block 2 mineral patches and traps a couple of probes (from 1 to 4 probes).
This only works on Cloud Kingdom and can be a bit tricky to do at first but I'm not sure if it is worth it.
If he pulls probes to attack the pylon, you can cancel and you basically trade 25 minerals for a lot of mining time lost. If he ignores it and waits for his zealots, he loses mining time from 2 patches and probes trapped and you lose 100 minerals. And if you lose your probe while trying to do this, well... it sucks.
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/BXXKj.jpg) 4 probes trapped
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| Sated England. March 07 2012 02:15. Posts 3429 | Profile Blog # |
 Manner Pylon
I thought everyone already knew that this was a thing... It's probably worth it on maps where you can trap Probes, but it's going to put an even bigger dent into your build order than gas-stealing.Last edit: 2012-03-07 07:24:25 |
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| dream-_- United States. March 07 2012 02:20. Posts 1795 | Profile Blog # |
| Sometimes I have to remind myself that not everyone played brood war. This used to happen in every single pvp... |
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| Gator United States. March 07 2012 02:22. Posts 1291 | Profile Blog # |
yeah this is a manner pylon :D
but the spread of the mineral patches on some of these maps lately like Cloud Kingdom and Antiga make it pretty easy to do. |
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| Geiko France. March 07 2012 02:22. Posts 1603 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 02:20 dream-_- wrote:
Sometimes I have to remind myself that not everyone played brood war. This used to happen in every single pvp...
It's obviously not the same game so I'm wondering how effective it is in SC2  |
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| dream-_- United States. March 07 2012 02:24. Posts 1795 | Profile Blog # |
| I believe in BW if you trapped 1 probe you got a significant economic lead, both from lost mining time as well as from putting patches out of commission(or at least making it farther away). I would imagine that in SC2, because you reach ideal saturation faster than in BW it would be even more effective, however I don't know. |
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| jidolboy Canada. March 07 2012 02:29. Posts 881 | Profile # |
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Not new in SC series.
Perhaps new in sc2?
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| SaroVati Canada. March 07 2012 02:33. Posts 246 | Profile # |
I don't think this should be classified as "Huk's" idea. I've seen wbc do this PvP like 5 months back.... and multiple other protosses trying it out months ago...
That being said if you trap 4 probes, it is definitely worth it. However if it only gets 2, it isn't worth the dent it puts in your build order. |
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| MooMooMugi United States. March 07 2012 02:48. Posts 4502 | Profile Blog # |
| This is very common in BW PvP because every single probe counts in matchup and puts you a lot further ahead than you could imagine |
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 NeMeSiS3 Canada. March 07 2012 02:52. Posts 2969 | Profile Blog # |
| It is much more difficult in this game to do that, you have to hit a really nice luck timing where somehow they arent there, I've seen people block gas routes such that 1 pylon makes it so 4 probes have to mine from the gas : P its cute |
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| Geiko France. March 07 2012 02:53. Posts 1603 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 02:33 SaroVati wrote:
I don't think this should be classified as "Huk's" idea. I've seen wbc do this PvP like 5 months back.... and multiple other protosses trying it out months ago...
That being said if you trap 4 probes, it is definitely worth it. However if it only gets 2, it isn't worth the dent it puts in your build order.
But it really doesn't work on other maps, it was easier in BW to trap probes I think.. I just want to know if anyone ever did the math, or have some experience with this to tell me how much of an advantage, if any, I gain from doing this. |
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| ddrddrddrddr March 07 2012 02:54. Posts 1240 | Profile # |
| Tell me when Huk starts building 2 gateways off that pylon and rofflestomp the opponent, shaming him into never touching the game again, because that never happened in BW. |
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| KingDime Canada. March 07 2012 02:59. Posts 393 | Profile Blog # |
| Whenever i've had it happen from WBC it's been maps where you can only stop 1 patch and it's somewhat close. Im pretty sure with 2 patches if you can get it off it would be definitely worth it. Depends how many probes you can trap though you would need numbers. |
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| darkscream Canada. March 07 2012 03:02. Posts 2119 | Profile Blog # |
| People do this sort of thing in ZVZ with evolution chambers sometimes. Its pretty frustrating/weird but I feel in that matchup they can't afford it. Can't speak to PVP but you'd think since its so volatile that you shouldnt mess around with your money so early, no? |
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| TangSC Canada. March 07 2012 03:02. Posts 1614 | Profile Blog # |
| Haha I think this is a really cool trick! |
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| ShatterZer0 United States. March 07 2012 03:05. Posts 1833 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 02:54 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Tell me when Huk starts building 2 gateways off that pylon and rofflestomp the opponent, shaming him into never touching the game again, because that never happened in BW.
WELL PLAYED, DEAR SIR!
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| Brotatoes23 United States. March 07 2012 03:11. Posts 67 | Profile # |
| Huk learned this from MC. Pretty sure on that, not positive, but I've seen MC doing this a long time ago and it's common knowledge Huk learned a lot from MC. I believe it can be done on a handful of maps? anyone confirm? |
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| ejozl Denmark. March 07 2012 03:11. Posts 707 | Profile # |
I've done my share of manner pylon's in SC2, but how do you actually trap workers?! That's insane and even 4.
In PvP i put my second pylon at his first Assimilator, to disrupt gas mining, while being able to see his chrono energy on his nexus and then i just run home with my probe.
With sentries being able to save you from anything agressive, it's a high mineral cost, for a low gas, but easily affordable. |
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| SolvusAnima United States. March 07 2012 03:11. Posts 130 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 02:54 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Tell me when Huk starts building 2 gateways off that pylon and rofflestomp the opponent, shaming him into never touching the game again, because that never happened in BW.
I felt so bad for Pokju @_@...
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| SaroVati Canada. March 07 2012 03:14. Posts 246 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 02:53 Geiko wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 02:33 SaroVati wrote:
I don't think this should be classified as "Huk's" idea. I've seen wbc do this PvP like 5 months back.... and multiple other protosses trying it out months ago...
That being said if you trap 4 probes, it is definitely worth it. However if it only gets 2, it isn't worth the dent it puts in your build order.
But it really doesn't work on other maps, it was easier in BW to trap probes I think.. I just want to know if anyone ever did the math, or have some experience with this to tell me how much of an advantage, if any, I gain from doing this.
It works on shakuras, which is where I've seen it done. He usually follows up with in-base gateways too from the pylon lol... I'm sure if I had the time to check, I would be able to find a few other maps where a double mineral block is possible |
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