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No overlapping of orb drama. Keep the two topics separate. People bringing the orb discussion over to this thread will be warned/banned (starting on page 25*). | vijeze Netherlands. March 07 2012 20:01. Posts 624 | Profile # |
| Jessica should really stop being such a pain on twitter. No offense but come on.. |
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| ChriS-X Australia. March 07 2012 20:04. Posts 660 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 19:52 ShotgunMike wrote:
I like to watch Dragon's stream but I'm not a fan in particular. I seem to remember him saying something like "I want to have SC2 as a hobby, or find new opportunities" (not a direct quote, just how I remember it). This is a new opportunity and he should be proud!
Jessica, however, seems to be a bit of a cry-baby. She is worried about team Slayers reputation and then tweets stuff like this..? Unfortunate for such a great time to be represented by her in those situations..
she is still a woman, and they do tend to be a bit more emotional then men. also given the context of how dragon left the team and then joined the new team, i'd say she has grounds to feel like what she is feeling now |
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| Lotar March 07 2012 20:04. Posts 132 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 17:05 .Sic. wrote:
he said that he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby and go back to his job.
He meant his new job at Millenium, hah 
More seriously though, perhaps if Jessica was less dramatic about everything the players would be more upfront about things. |
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| ChriS-X Australia. March 07 2012 20:06. Posts 660 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 20:04 Lotar wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 17:05 .Sic. wrote:
he said that he wanted to play sc2 as a hobby and go back to his job.
He meant his new job at Millenium, hah More seriously though, perhaps if Jessica was less dramatic about everything the players would be more upfront about things.
she had no problem with light and sleep leaving the team..... |
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| Gladiator6 Sweden. March 07 2012 20:06. Posts 6831 | Profile # |
I don't understand really, so Jessica is upset because Dragon left SlayerS and didn't tell them? So she heard about it on twitter? Or was it something more I missed?
Sorry it's hard to understand the translations. :/Last edit: 2012-03-07 20:07:05 |
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| MrShankly United Kingdom. March 07 2012 20:09. Posts 288 | Profile Blog # |
| Ye, plus once she did find out, he explained its because he no longer wants to play sc2 professionally, but apparently was planning on joining a new team all along |
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| Tuplag March 07 2012 20:16. Posts 7 | Profile # |
| Can we really call him a liar for this? Everyone has a change of mind at some point, sometimes even instantly. I believe Dragon's initial intention was to go back to work as he was thinking of leaving Slayers weeks before he actually left. He probably changed his mind and try to give pro-gaming another shot. If he didn't find a team within a month, he was going back to work regardless. |
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| bluQ Germany. March 07 2012 20:18. Posts 1053 | Profile # |
| Drama incoming? Why does this woman always produces so much drama ... guess thats what you would call a drama queen? |
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| CopperKat United States. March 07 2012 20:21. Posts 9 | Profile # |
How can you claim ownership of a person. What he does after he leaves the team isn't her business. He doesn't owe anyone an explanation. Especially since SlayerS was his team by name only. He might as well have been in the SlayerS clan, which anyone can join.
How has he given them a bad rep at all? For free he gave them exposure by being the most popular SlayerS streamer. |
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| yeint Estonia. March 07 2012 20:21. Posts 2327 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 19:51 ChriS-X wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:56 Terrafros wrote:
Though I feel Jessica goes too far in her tweets, the point she is raising is essential.
Rather than being upfront and honest, Dragon gave a false reason for wanting to leave Slayers. Very unprofessional, and very immature.
Or maybe he didn't give a false reason, wasn't decided on any particular team, and Jessica isn't a mind reader. This is absurd behavior on her part. A team is an employer, end of story. If I decide to seek employment elsewhere, I am not in any way obligated to tell my boss about it. I just have to honor my contract.
it's not just about the contract. people are not emotionless robots, there are human factors involved as well. don't tell me you won't at least feel a bit hurt if you were led around like that.
It's not leading around, for the love of god.
Jessica is not the "mother" of every person on Slayers. She's their boss. Their employer.
If I am unhappy at my current job and resign, I don't have to tell my employer if and when I decide to get a new job.
The idea that a progaming team, management included, is an actual family is a crock of shit perpetuated by people who, in this metaphor, would be the Mom and Dad controlling purse strings.
Yes of course you can feel kinship and gratitude and loyalty towards your teammates and even your manager. But it is not an obligation to do so, and has to be mutually earned, instead of assumed a priori. |
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| yeint Estonia. March 07 2012 20:28. Posts 2327 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 20:01 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:56 Terrafros wrote:
Though I feel Jessica goes too far in her tweets, the point she is raising is essential.
Rather than being upfront and honest, Dragon gave a false reason for wanting to leave Slayers. Very unprofessional, and very immature.
Or maybe he didn't give a false reason, wasn't decided on any particular team, and Jessica isn't a mind reader. This is absurd behavior on her part. A team is an employer, end of story. If I decide to seek employment elsewhere, I am not in any way obligated to tell my boss about it. I just have to honor my contract.
As many, many people have already said: There's a huge difference between asian and western views on stuff like this. Regardless of how you personally feel people should act culture is ingrained and impossible to just change over night.
I understand that, but that doesn't mean I need to respect it, or not criticize someone for acting in this way on a global stage, which the SC2 scene most certainly is.
Much as I dislike Western attitudes towards sex and violence (too prudish about the former, too permissive about the latter), I also dislike Asian attitudes towards professional relationships. It is simply a way too convenient mindset perpetuated by those who are in positions to exploit their subordinates.
This is not appropriate public behavior from a person representing a major team with international sponsors. |
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 tapk69 Portugal. March 07 2012 20:33. Posts 264 | Profile # |
Well , i hope that the Dragon fans that wanted to "piss on KatuStarcraft grave" come here ...
So she called dragon a liar and a kid , thats worse than Katu . I hope that next to this comes the explanation for stream-cheating. |
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| holycrapitsTony United States. March 07 2012 20:35. Posts 329 | Profile # |
| Dragon seems to have this swarm of drama around him constantly... |
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| NietzscheanKant Finland. March 07 2012 20:38. Posts 92 | Profile # |
Hnnnrgh.
A. Korean culture is different from "western" one, values different things (differently), expects different behaviour from people, etc.
B. I think the people creating "the drama" are the people overblowing Jessica's statement of disappointment with Dragon's behaviour towards his clan and teammates. |
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| Ded808 Australia. March 07 2012 20:38. Posts 101 | Profile # |
| So Dragon changes his mind on the direction he wishes to take his life and his former employer spouts verbal drama. Jessica looks petty in these tweets. |
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| bmml United Kingdom. March 07 2012 20:38. Posts 955 | Profile # |
Tweets like this make her sound like a crazy woman...
Seems like Boxer broke the golden rule. |
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| Cereb Denmark. March 07 2012 20:39. Posts 2414 | Profile # |
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Someone take away her twitter... She's not helping her team at all with it. This is not a good business move at all.
On March 07 2012 20:38 bmml wrote:
Tweets like this make her sound like a crazy woman...
Seems like Boxer broke the golden rule.
Lol @ Barney Quote Last edit: 2012-03-07 20:39:56 |
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| ChriS-X Australia. March 07 2012 20:39. Posts 660 | Profile # |
On March 07 2012 20:21 yeint wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:51 ChriS-X wrote:
On March 07 2012 19:42 yeint wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:56 Terrafros wrote:
Though I feel Jessica goes too far in her tweets, the point she is raising is essential.
Rather than being upfront and honest, Dragon gave a false reason for wanting to leave Slayers. Very unprofessional, and very immature.
Or maybe he didn't give a false reason, wasn't decided on any particular team, and Jessica isn't a mind reader. This is absurd behavior on her part. A team is an employer, end of story. If I decide to seek employment elsewhere, I am not in any way obligated to tell my boss about it. I just have to honor my contract.
it's not just about the contract. people are not emotionless robots, there are human factors involved as well. don't tell me you won't at least feel a bit hurt if you were led around like that.
It's not leading around, for the love of god. Jessica is not the "mother" of every person on Slayers. She's their boss. Their employer. If I am unhappy at my current job and resign, I don't have to tell my employer if and when I decide to get a new job. The idea that a progaming team, management included, is an actual family is a crock of shit perpetuated by people who, in this metaphor, would be the Mom and Dad controlling purse strings. Yes of course you can feel kinship and gratitude and loyalty towards your teammates and even your manager. But it is not an obligation to do so, and has to be mutually earned, instead of assumed a priori.
and i would say that jessica has earnt it from what she has sacrificed to help the team, not to mention how the rest of the players in the team look up to her and boxer as their big brother and sister.
besides, you are trying to view this from a western point of view. in an eastern context, especially in korea, the culture there has already dictated that since they are your elders, you need to respect them, more so if it's your team manager.
the way progaming teams in korea work is probably very different and alien to most people outside their culture, add to that the traditional korean cultural view, it would be very dissimilar to the workings of a normal job |
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| plogamer Canada. March 07 2012 20:41. Posts 879 | Profile Blog # |
On March 07 2012 19:05 Torte de Lini wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 07 2012 19:02 plogamer wrote:
On March 07 2012 18:58 Torte de Lini wrote:
Y'know the issue with Jessica's laments is that it now actually creates a public problem. What is the public going to do about knowing how you feel about Dragon? Didn't anyone interpret Dragon's move as a backstab to SlayerS and if so, did you assume it was a valid theory or idea? Well Jessica has now just validated it and on top of that, SlayerS name gets tarnished because people will now associate this whole issue with Slayers in the back of their mind.
Before, it was all about Dragon going to Millenium after being teamless and reconsider going back to professional player rather than just an entertainer due to his past [and who knows if SlayerS would have put him back on the roster, especially with CoCa just returning). No one thought of it as a cowardly-way to get away from SlayerS, even if it was, it's not that huge of an issue for the public. Just the team and that team should complain purely amongst friends and themselves, the public won't side with you and even if they do, he's not going back SlayerS and you're certainly not taking him back.
So who wins here? You make an issue, you furthered it with outrageous potential claims and now you just tarnished your team's name. That's three strikes you're out.
What. SlayerS name didn't get tarnished in my eyes. How does people associating the issue with SlayerS in the back of their mind tarnish anything? There's some misunderstanding, perhaps. But nothing is more dramatic than 'That's three strikes you're out'.
What? When I think of SlayerS now, I will think of this and all the other issues with them such as the CoCa issue. Jessica and SlayerS Eve, how she is going to sue people for bad-mouthing SlayerS, etc. It stacks, if she didn't want people to think badly of SlayerS based on Dragon's actions, why raise the issue up at all. If Dragon leaves Millenium now or "lies/deceives" them for another team, it would be on him and the association would be purely on him. Now it's about Dragon and SlayerS and just puts him in the dirt in addition to giving SlayerS a pointless victim role if anything or an organization with a tempered manager. The three strikes thing was me trying to be the writer. As you can tell, I'm not Fitzgerald.
I don't know how your mind works, but when I think Slayers, I think of Boxer, MMA.. etc. When I think SlayerS, SC2 comes to mind. My objection is with the fact that you took your thinking and portrayed it as the 'people's. Sorry I wasn't being very clear. I'm no Fitzgerald either. :D |
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| -orb- United States. March 07 2012 20:49. Posts 5664 | Profile Blog # |
Jessica should take some courses on PR
Her business sense is amazing but holy shit does she handle these situations poorly |
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