| AirbladeOrange United States. March 09 2012 22:30. Posts 2072 | Profile Blog # |
| I like your casting orb and I hope this gets behind everyone and you get back to doing your thing soon. |
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| fire_brand Canada. March 09 2012 22:31. Posts 999 | Profile Blog # |
I understand racism being a big deal and everything, but this is the internet. I really didn't see this coming out like this or being made such a big deal. It's something he did on his personal stream so couldn't have had that many eyes. I don't think most people really took this too seriously.
Good on you for apologizing regardless. |
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| MrTortoise March 09 2012 22:36. Posts 967 | Profile # |
On March 09 2012 22:31 fire_brand wrote:
I understand racism being a big deal and everything, but this is the internet. I really didn't see this coming out like this or being made such a big deal. It's something he did on his personal stream so couldn't have had that many eyes. I don't think most people really took this too seriously.
Good on you for apologizing regardless.
You know what, i agree with this view most of the time.
Except it isn't the internet. Its a member of Team EG playing a game professionally.
That is very different. There are a set of responsibilities that go with that.
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 vZNuKE United States. March 09 2012 22:37. Posts 77 | Profile # |
you shouldn't be apologizing.. people need to man the fuck up and stop being girls.
Maybe they really are faggots |
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| Luzbeda United States. March 09 2012 22:47. Posts 53 | Profile # |
I am surpirsed how many people think what orb said (wrote for that matter, in a public forum) is okay.
Maybe it has to do with the age of the majority of posters.
If I said things like this I would lose my job and that would mean a lot more money lost than the maybe 20k a year orb scrounged from casting.
He also lied about it afterward. It is okay to call people out when they do something stupid. Orb is getting exactly what anyone else would, especially a professional, for such thoughtless behavior. |
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| Skamtet Sweden. March 09 2012 22:48. Posts 548 | Profile # |
| this is so extremely blown out of proportion it's annoying and ridiculous. |
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| Rabbitmaster March 09 2012 22:51. Posts 1309 | Profile # |
I hardly think saying "Nigger" qualifies a person as a racist. Nor do i think it should be punished, atleast not if you say it on your own stream on your own time. However, trying to cover it up by lying etc, is NOT ok in my book.
And regarding EGs reaction. I don't really think you needed to be fired, but then again, thats up to EG management. If they don't want people using that kind of language working for them, or just people lying about it, then thats up to them. I think most people complaining about EGs decision focuses too much on the "nigger" part, and not enough on the lying part.
Just my view on the whole incident. Too bad it took this long for you to admit and apologise, instead of just doing the right thing from the start. Glhf in the future, remember you have done way more for this community than 99.9% of the haters. |
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| binkman Australia. March 09 2012 22:52. Posts 40 | Profile # |
On March 09 2012 22:37 vZNuKE wrote:
you shouldn't be apologizing.. people need to man the fuck up and stop being girls.
Maybe they really are faggots
Not only should he have apologised (as he has), he should not have tried to cover it up in the first place. Somehow we are meant to believe that orb has total recall of every game he has played in the past year and can say without a doubt that it wasn't him calling someone nigger, but instead was one of his 'friends' using his account. Then, more recent images of similar behaviour show up and only then does he claim responsibility and apologise. How is the community, or his new employer, meant to take his original claim of 'it wasn't me' seriously?
This isn't the end of the world or his career unless orb lets it be. Lets hope he learns to keep his temper in check and can recover some of the respect that he has lost in the eyes of many of the community by behaving in a professional manner from now on, both while casting/streaming and when he is just playing ladder. As a start, lets stop pointing the finger at other people who make/ have made similar mistakes in an attempt to minimise the impact of his own wrongdoing.
Good luck with your future endeavours, this isn't a death blow to your casting career - but the road ahead is long and the going will be slow for a while. |
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| Faranth Germany. March 09 2012 22:54. Posts 933 | Profile Blog # |
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| memcpy United States. March 09 2012 22:55. Posts 442 | Profile Blog # |
| I feel sorry for you orb, I hope you continue casting. Everyone makes mistakes. |
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| krisss Luxembourg. March 09 2012 23:05. Posts 304 | Profile # |
This "Edit" was just unnecessary, and still proves that orb still hasnt learned anything. If you watch through his explanations, they're full of dishonest excuses, instead of honest apologies.
"I was drunk..blablabla" When your acting racist when u drink, stop drinking. I would.
"Everyone was scrubbing through replays to prove that im racist...blablabla" You can watch EVERY replay of me, u wont find such a racist thing.
Despite you are "apologizing", ur still acting like a victim in some ways, and thats just pathetic. And the fact that ur still hanging on that story that "your friend played" just makes it more pathetic. Ofc you taught him "to use the goupbindings, like you..blablabla." I'm glad your a thing of the past. This apology means nothing, if you considering this "edit", how you still hang hardly on you story (if invented or not doesnt matter).
Think about youself, what you want in the future, where you are heading. For a 23-year old (if the informations from the internet users are right) you seem very immature (with everyday stuff, like starcraft, and problems, like this here). You could start with an honest apology, without excuses like "i was drunk", "my friend played", "if you look long enough you'll always find sth".. Cut the crap and be honest, to the other community members and yourself. |
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| SpeedSloth United States. March 09 2012 23:06. Posts 9 | Profile # |
| I have found the solution! Orb needs to be adopted by a black family, there by becoming an honorary blackman! Then EG can let him back! (The sad truth is I'm sure EG just wanted to clear him out (like slav and cro) to make room for Koreans) |
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| famousfrank Sweden. March 09 2012 23:09. Posts 2 | Profile # |
| I honestly thought while I was starting to watch you stream that you BM:ed alot and I actually didn't like wathing your stream because of it. But when I saw you casting it was completely different and I actually enjoy your casting, to bad that this happened now tho, I hope you will get back into it again. |
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| silentsod United States. March 09 2012 23:09. Posts 175 | Profile # |
On March 09 2012 23:06 SpeedSloth wrote:
I have found the solution! Orb needs to be adopted by a black family, there by becoming an honorary blackman! Then EG can let him back! (The sad truth is I'm sure EG just wanted to clear him out (like slav and cro) to make room for Koreans)
EG probably wouldn't get much mileage out of a Korean caster. |
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| IamSneaky Germany. March 09 2012 23:11. Posts 17 | Profile # |
Everyone makes mistakes and of course you will get watched more if you are in the "spotlight"
I personally think it's not a good idea to judge someone based on what he has done a year ago...
of course that alone does not justify the usage of any bm but i think its not fair to get fired because of things you have done a while ago before you had that job...
I wish you the best of luck for your future Orb!! |
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| Gihi March 09 2012 23:11. Posts 340 | Profile # |
I use the N word a lot when I am amongst friends, like ***** please or ***** this bubu (Reference to a 50 cent/G unit song). I personally think the word is a part of today's world and that it is acceptable to use it in jokes/memes/whatever. However I would never use it to try to offend someone like you do, I think shows immaturity and a lack of vocabulary. I think losing your job will make u think twice before u say something like that in the future.
U denying the first screenshots that showed up is just disgraceful. U called people slanderers just to save your own butt and lied to the starcraft community. This is what bother me, not that u called someone a bad word. Everyone rages. Not everyone is dishonest to his fans/haters/fellow community members.
I can personally accept that u rage and flame but I do not forgive u for lying and I hope u write an extensive apology to the people u accused. |
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| Flix Belgium. March 09 2012 23:15. Posts 114 | Profile # |
On March 09 2012 22:26 Slipspace wrote:
the fact that we still live in a world where typed words (or said aloud for that matter) can result in harsh punishment such as this speaks more about our advancement as a civilization than any advancement we've made towards racial equality
to the CEO of EG, i honestly don't care about your black education background. as long as we as a people place this harshness on a single word despite the true meaning of it's use (it's already been said again and again that we all know Orb isn't racist), we're just as bad as the creators of the word because we're the ones that are making it such a vile word.
words and their meanings change all the time so why are you trying to preserve this one? let it change for fucks sake
Orb should have gotten a slap on the wrist and a small lecture on how he's in the spotlight now and needs to think about his reputation even when he's not in public. The actions taken against him are a step in the wrong direction towards race equality.
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| BioNova United States. March 09 2012 23:17. Posts 447 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 13:19 sam!zdat wrote:
I'm sorry this happened to you.
Nobody thinks you are a racist.
I think there will be other opportunities for you.
Speak for yourself. I feel much the opposite of you.
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| MWY Germany. March 09 2012 23:22. Posts 165 | Profile # |
On March 09 2012 23:05 krisss wrote:
"I was drunk..blablabla" When your acting racist when u drink, stop drinking. I would.
"Everyone was scrubbing through replays to prove that im racist...blablabla" You can watch EVERY replay of me, u wont find such a racist thing.
Cool then you used other insults. Who cares. You cant tell me you never raged and insulted somebody in your life. Insults are there to be offensive to the person youre talking to. If its racist, sexist or whatever who gives a shit.
Did you ever see a racial tension of orb on his Stream when he was casting ESV games? No. As it is for every other cast ive watched by him. What makes you think youre above a guy who used some insult 4-5 times. What makes you think you should be his judge altough you have no clue or real reason to be offended. What makes you think you should end his career and basically kill him publicly because of a stupid thing like this. He didnt do anything wrong during professional casts. Thats what matters. Youre the pathetic one here buddy. |
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| Msqrd Canada. March 09 2012 23:23. Posts 54 | Profile # |
It's never acceptable to use racist, sexist or homophobic language, even in jest or because it's "a turn of phrase". These words, even if they don't cause outright offense, reinforce stereotypes and subconscious bias. I'd like to see the community reject words like "gay" and "f----t" too.
I back EG's decision. If Orb had come clean and admitted his mistake this would be different. Instead he lied, accused people of slandering him, and tried to hide it. That left EG no choice.
I'm sad because I like Orb's casting. I wish him a successful return in future. |
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