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| Naoned France. March 13 2012 04:03. Posts 17 | Profile # |
| Well, I only need an average price, how much were the last finals ? |
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| DamageControL United States. March 13 2012 04:06. Posts 3547 | Profile Blog # | |
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 Xxio Canada. March 13 2012 04:30. Posts 4441 | Profile Blog # |
WoOooooooOOOOo!
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| Gescom Canada. March 13 2012 05:08. Posts 2749 | Profile # |
| Are KT and CJ locked in 3rd/4th right now? Or can Woongjin take one of those spots? |
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| hacklebeast United States. March 13 2012 05:09. Posts 4634 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 05:08 Gescom wrote:
Are KT and CJ locked in 3rd/4th right now? Or can Woongjin take one of those spots?
if cj loses to ace, stars are in. |
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| Chimpalimp United States. March 13 2012 05:21. Posts 1017 | Profile # |
| I hope the weather is nice enough for them to use the beach again, that was the best pro league finals location I have seen to date. |
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| lisherwin United States. March 13 2012 05:28. Posts 51 | Profile # |
Bo7 with ace match cannot help KT and probably hurts them ... not sure why people think otherwise.
bo5 without ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to win
bo7 with ace match -> flash/stats + one other player have to win in order for KT to be able to play Flash (which is somewhat a guaranteed win but this means that bo5 without ace match and bo7 with ace match are at best equivalent for KT)Last edit: 2012-03-13 05:29:07 |
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| Kiett United States. March 13 2012 08:35. Posts 3582 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^ |
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| supernovamaniac United States. March 13 2012 09:47. Posts 2232 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 08:35 Kiett wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now. |
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| KT s0ng Korea (South). March 14 2012 00:39. Posts 87 | Profile Blog # |
| My sister is flying to Korea that weekend. Sorry sis, Starcrafts is happening. |
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| Rodiel3 France. March 14 2012 00:52. Posts 1061 | Profile # |
| WOOOOOOOOT ! this is good :D |
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| Black[CAT] Malaysia. March 15 2012 17:37. Posts 2537 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 15:41 alypse wrote:
SKT for the third consecutive silver gogogo.
That will be an epic award! |
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| Demand2k Norway. March 15 2012 17:51. Posts 545 | Profile Blog # |
| Have they shortened the seasons? |
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| slytown United States. March 15 2012 17:55. Posts 1189 | Profile Blog # |
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans 
Not true. Any time we can watch Flash play it's a good time. We just don't always want him to win. |
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| endy China. March 15 2012 18:07. Posts 6114 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 17:51 Demand2k wrote:
Have they shortened the seasons?
Yes. Only 3 rounds and 8 teams.
On March 13 2012 09:47 supernovamaniac wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 08:35 Kiett wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:51 supernovamaniac wrote:
On March 13 2012 03:15 Naoned wrote:
Does anybody know the ticket price for a final and where we can buy one ?
No information has been posted afaik. Not even the venue for the finals.
This isn't confirmed yet, but judging from what the players were saying, it should be at Gwanganri (Busan) again. All SC matches have always been free to attend, so if you can make it, just show up ^^
Back to back gwanganri for the 'betrayal' last year. That sounds right for now.
Rofl, I'm living in Shanghai and was so disappointed not to see the finals last season... I've just booked my flight to Busan, they'd better not try to make it happen in Shanghai again :|
edit : nvm, Ryo just updated us : http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=320896Last edit: 2012-03-15 18:10:54 |
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| ffreakk Singapore. March 15 2012 18:31. Posts 2035 | Profile # |
On March 13 2012 02:41 HopLight wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 02:26 Simplistik wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:13 HopLight wrote:
On March 12 2012 04:24 Simplistik wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6. I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote:
I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others
2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win
3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon
4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made? Ok, let me break it down: KT vs SKT1 KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu) KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun) However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2) What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)
I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3)
To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess".
Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats.
Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs.
What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz.
If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.
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| shaftofpleasure Korea (North). March 15 2012 18:36. Posts 1127 | Profile Blog # |
Guys. Flash is not an automatic win. Seriously, this is the play-offs. The team with the best snipers (Khan) is playing.
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| Iplaythings Denmark. March 15 2012 18:55. Posts 7067 | Profile Blog # |
On March 15 2012 18:31 ffreakk wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 02:41 HopLight wrote:
On March 13 2012 02:26 Simplistik wrote:
On March 12 2012 21:13 HopLight wrote:
On March 12 2012 04:24 Simplistik wrote:
On March 09 2012 15:07 Antoine wrote:ace match being back is bad news for all non-kt fans
The Bo7 format more than makes up for that. Overall the change is bad for KT.
I disagree, KT's main weakness is their 3rd & 4th players not their 5-6th. Essentially we have excellent 1-2, bad 3-4, and pretty good 5-6. Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra, are all fairly bad 3-4 but excellent 5-6. I also don't think the ace match is that much of an advantage, despite Flash, Neo Chain Reaction for Ace map is almost going to force Stats which makes us weaker.
I'll just take the liberty to quote myself here:
On February 04 2012 07:54 Simplistik wrote:
I was thinking about the effect of the format change the other day. There were a lot of predictions that KT would suffer from the lack of Ace Match, but I think those were wrong. Allow me to explain...
Last season KT were basically working like this: Flash and Stats give two wins. Then KT has four shots at getting to the Ace Match using their second string players. Finally Flash, and occasionally Stats, would show up to win the Ace Match. Flash and Stats managed a combined 6 - 3 in Ace Matches, including playoffs. But that's "only" 67%.
This season the Ace Match burden has been lifted. Flash and Stats have to practice one map, which increases their win chance. This season they are a combined 16 - 3 (84%), compared to last season's 61 - 33 (65%), discounting Winners League. That's quite scary. On top of that, once any of the second string players wins, KT wins the entire match. The chance for Flash or Stats to be sniped in the Ace Match has been removed completely.
In conclusion, I think that the removal of the Ace Match format didn't hurt KT much, but the shortening from Bo7 to Bo5 helped KT a lot. If I had to assess KT's chance depending on the format then it would look like this, from great to bad:
1) Bo5 + Ace Match = great for KT; able to win with just Flash and Stats, plus occasional help from others
2) Bo5 - Ace Match = good for KT; Flash and Stats can focus, 3 shots for the others to get one win
3) Bo7 + Ace Match = so - so for KT; 4 shots for the others to get it to Ace Match, then Flash brings home the bacon
4) Bo7 - Ace Match = bad for KT; need 50% win rate from the 2nd line, looks bad based on last season's results
So essentially you quote yourself while not actually meeting the main point I made? Ok, let me break it down: KT vs SKT1 KT top players are better than SKT1 (Flash Stats vs Fantasy Bisu) KT Mid players are all worse than SKT1 mid players (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Best/By.Sun) However when it comes to 5-6th set KT are still fielding mid players against the fairly terrible last 2 for SKT1: (Mind, Action, Wooki, Crazy Hydra vs Hyuk, n.die_soo, s2) What I'm saying is the actual Ace match is iffy because the other teams can snipe Flash with BOTH map, player, and build, but I think our additional 6th player is on par with any 6th player out there (with the possible exception of CJ)
I'm going to disagree with Flash Stats > Fantasy Bisu (yea im an SKT fanboi :3) To quote Mortality: "Fantasy Bisu is in paper the most powerful 1-2 punch any team in the league possess". Sure Bisu isn't playing his best right now, but the same can be said for Stats. Also BeSt/by.Sun > any1 top 2 that KT can field. Our next in line would be soO and s2, who defnly aint weaker than the KT Zergs. What's more, we get to decide the Ace map. Overall, SKT takes this ezpz. If KHAN makes finals (and likely they will), however, the story is totally different. Our Aces don't fair too well vs Khan's, regardless of map.
Stats and Flash both have a winning record over Bisu and Fantasy, Crazy-hydra has the best % record of the proleague
What will decide the finals is not wether stats bisu flash and fantasy will perform, they will be at their best as they allways have they are THAT kind of players and historically those 4 have allways played their best in playoffs (even when stats was 0-2'd by bogus last playoff).
What, however, is interesting is:
Do, Action, Sun, Hoejja, Best, Crazy-hydra, Mind and Soo perform to their best?
All players have the potential to be awesome, factors like
Does action dodge SKT zergs? Does Crazy-hydra keep up his form? Does Soo get a protoss? Does Best go into a form where he can hope to threaten flash again? I could keep going on.
And Stats is as relieable of a ACE on outlier as Bisu is, mind you. |
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