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| Datz2Ez Canada. March 13 2012 15:42. Posts 73 | Profile # |
Hi fellow members,
Let's start first to give you the context of my thread
I live in montreal, quebec, Canada. We live in a society that was founded mostly with left politic. Our health system is free and our education fees are low. At the moment, we pay around 1075$/semester (+/- 2000$/year) to go to university. Even if the fees our low, the average student end university with +/- 15 000 in dept. Our governement wants us to now pay 1600$/year more. In other terms, they are asking the students to double the dept they end with Students are now on strike and asking the governement to cancel the raise. You have to be aware that this only represent 1.2% of the global education budget so we are not talking about a huge sum.
Where do I stand?
To be honest, I always tought everyone should have equal access to education. The best way would be to make it free. I think we should favor more an 'elitism' way of choosing the students by looking more into the grades.
I will not get into the details and argue on both side but I was really interrested to see what people all over think about education.
EDIT: We pay around 40-45% in tax... so yea we have low fees but we pay it back in some way.
P.S. This is no democrat vs republicans  Forgive my poor english it is not my first language. Last edit: 2012-03-13 16:03:12 |
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| NotSorry United States. March 13 2012 15:45. Posts 5329 | Profile Blog # |
Feels kind of odd hearing people complain about that while in the US we pay 10x that each semester...., but then again a 100% increase does seem like a lot
I've always thought of college as a business, it's design is to make money off of training you for future work so that in theory you can make more money, but doesn't always happen that way.Last edit: 2012-03-13 15:47:25 |
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| Heweree United Kingdom. March 13 2012 15:48. Posts 497 | Profile # |
In the UK the gov has triple the fees. Basically if you entered this year you will pay 10k for a bachelor, if you enter next year you will pay 30k.
Actually a free education at a uni level is not that good. But it shouldn't be absurdly high like in the US or soon in the UK. For instance in France the unis are for bad students, the good ones go to high ranked business and engineering schools.Last edit: 2012-03-13 15:50:55 |
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| tetrismaan Denmark. March 13 2012 15:48. Posts 300 | Profile # |
| In Denmark it is free, and we even get 1000$ each month from the government, with the chance of making a student-rent for 650$ each month with 1% interest. |
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| OsoVega Canada. March 13 2012 15:50. Posts 926 | Profile # |
| Education does not spontaneously occur in nature. It is impossible for it to be free. Someone is always going to have to pay and to coerce payment from people through force is wrong. Last edit: 2012-03-13 15:56:59 |
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| Enki United States. March 13 2012 15:52. Posts 1988 | Profile Blog # |
Be glad you don't live in the U.S and end up with tens of thousands in debt from post-secondary education, in addition to having for-profit healthcare that can bankrupt you.
That is a big hike though. You have to ask yourself is it really worth it the extra money.Last edit: 2012-03-13 15:52:39 |
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| weeA India. March 13 2012 15:52. Posts 426 | Profile # |
| Well i studied in Singapore as an International Student. I paid 3 times the fee the locals had to pay. I hope it was a little lesser as half my monthly pay check is going to the bank. |
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| Datz2Ez Canada. March 13 2012 15:53. Posts 73 | Profile # |
On March 13 2012 15:45 NotSorry wrote:
Feels kind of odd hearing people complain about that while in the US we pay 10x that each semester...., but then again a 100% increase does seem like a lot
I've always thought of college as a business, it's design is to make money off of training you for future work so that in theory you can make more money, but doesn't always happen that way.
Yes indeed you people pay alot, however what happens if somebody has great potential but he's poor? Does he have any way to access a higher enducation? |
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| Arnstein March 13 2012 15:54. Posts 2613 | Profile Blog # |
| It should be as in Norway, where we pay a good amount of taxes, but university, doctors etc. are free/very cheap. |
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| Enki United States. March 13 2012 15:54. Posts 1988 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 15:53 Datz2Ez wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 15:45 NotSorry wrote:
Feels kind of odd hearing people complain about that while in the US we pay 10x that each semester...., but then again a 100% increase does seem like a lot
I've always thought of college as a business, it's design is to make money off of training you for future work so that in theory you can make more money, but doesn't always happen that way.
Yes indeed you people pay alot, however what happens if somebody has great potential but he's poor? Does he have any way to access a higher enducation?
Scholarships, but they pay less and less nowadays it seems. |
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| OsoVega Canada. March 13 2012 15:56. Posts 926 | Profile # |
| The reason university costs so much in the States is because the government guarantees student loans. If students didn't have access to these loans, which they wouldn't if the government didn't guarantee them, most couldn't afford university. Universities would be forced to reduce tuition and increase efficiency in order to sustain themselves and keep making a profit. |
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| Heweree United Kingdom. March 13 2012 15:56. Posts 497 | Profile # |
On March 13 2012 15:50 OsoVega wrote:
Education does not spontaneously occur in nature. It is impossible for it to be free. Someone is always going to have to pay.
The government? In order to ensure meritocracy. It's really bad if a poor students with better marks than a richer student can't access higher education while the richer student can. Really really bad. |
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| Nightfall.589 Canada. March 13 2012 15:58. Posts 753 | Profile # |
On March 13 2012 15:53 Datz2Ez wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 13 2012 15:45 NotSorry wrote:
Feels kind of odd hearing people complain about that while in the US we pay 10x that each semester...., but then again a 100% increase does seem like a lot
I've always thought of college as a business, it's design is to make money off of training you for future work so that in theory you can make more money, but doesn't always happen that way.
Yes indeed you people pay alot, however what happens if somebody has great potential but he's poor? Does he have any way to access a higher enducation?
Enslaving himself to student debt for the next decade of his life is always a possibility.Last edit: 2012-03-13 15:58:32 |
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 zalz Netherlands. March 13 2012 15:58. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
Education should indeed be free.
It is crucial for first world countries to invest into their education, they can't allow people to go back to mining coal.
The only things that should decide how far you get in life are your own talents. Not how much money your mom and dad have or how many people they know.
The government should ensure that everyone gets the same chances to start their life, and after that the free market takes over and the best person wins the race and walks home with the most money.
The rich and connected will still have more advantages than the poor, it shouldn't be so extreme that the poor can't even compete, even when they are smart enough.
It enhances the social mobility, one of the most important factors of any country imo. |
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| Datz2Ez Canada. March 13 2012 15:59. Posts 73 | Profile # |
Education does not spontaneously occur in nature. It is impossible for it to be free. Someone is always going to have to pay.
Well we will pay it back, our tax are around 45%... with an annual salary of 80k/year * 30-50 years of work... you end up giving a huge chunk of it! |
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| stormtemplar United States. March 13 2012 16:00. Posts 1918 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 15:45 NotSorry wrote:
Feels kind of odd hearing people complain about that while in the US we pay 10x that each semester...., but then again a 100% increase does seem like a lot
I've always thought of college as a business, it's design is to make money off of training you for future work so that in theory you can make more money, but doesn't always happen that way.
Top schools it's more like 25X. Most top 50 private schools cost about 50K a year for everything. |
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| S2Glow Singapore. March 13 2012 16:00. Posts 990 | Profile Blog # |
On March 13 2012 15:52 weeA wrote:
Well i studied in Singapore as an International Student. I paid 3 times the fee the locals had to pay. I hope it was a little lesser as half my monthly pay check is going to the bank.
too bad , is not fair for the local if you pay the same fee as us :D
to me sponsor student who have good grade and have super low income. this will help instead of making education free which wont go well imo |
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| SafeAsCheese United States. March 13 2012 16:01. Posts 4717 | Profile # |
Education is free in the US.
Higher education is not and should not be free. It should not be required for every job though.
University was designed to be for people who wanted a higher level education, for people who wanted to learn and become academics, to move forward in their understanding of the world.
Now it is essentially required to make more than 15-20 an hour. |
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| Ercster United States. March 13 2012 16:01. Posts 491 | Profile # |
I'm cool with the theoretical American version of public schooling. This is were your taxes pay for the public education system, only k-12, though (I would want it to go through to the public colleges as well). And private schooling requires the individual to pay for their education.
The current problem America has is that the government keeps spending money poorly, and education is suffering because of it.
On to an unrelated problem I have with the education process in America. In k-8, you learn the basic knowledge of important subjects such as math, english, and science. And in 9-12, it gets more advanced with those subjects, and you get a variety of other classes which help you determine what you want to major in when you attend college. However, when you attend college, you have to do the same thing as you did in 9-12. I'm majoring in engineering, yet one of the english requirements has to deal with poetry. This serves no purpose for me. I don't see the need for poetry, and 10 engineers that I've spoken with have never used poetry in their entire career, yet I'm still required to take it. These useless classes are a waste of not only my money, but my time.
Another problem I have is with homework. Homework, in its literal form, is practice. Why is it required that I practice? Teachers have agreed with me on this point, yet they still tell me I needed to do it. We go to school to learn, and are graded by how well we retained that knowledge. So, if I choose not to practice, yet am capable of retaining all of the information that was given, I shouldn't be punished.Last edit: 2012-03-13 16:03:52 |
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| Datz2Ez Canada. March 13 2012 16:01. Posts 73 | Profile # |
| Error.. double post Last edit: 2012-03-13 16:02:35 |
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