| Seri England. March 16 2012 01:20. Posts 76 | Profile # | |
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| solidbebe Netherlands. March 16 2012 01:21. Posts 3232 | Profile # |
| I pretty much agree with TB. As I usually do. That man is just the epitomy of levelheaded reason. |
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| Tobberoth Sweden. March 16 2012 01:25. Posts 4523 | Profile # |
| I think it's a difficult subject. Yeah, people who whine about day 1 DLC are perfectly right, but there's a bigger picture here. Check user ratings on metacritic for... pretty much any big game. Filled with BS, take MW3 for example. User score is horrible for ridiculous reasons, and that's where over entitlement starts to make sense, when your demands aren't reasonable. "I don't like this kind of game, so it shouldn't have been made. it sucks because it was made, period". |
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| bonifaceviii Canada. March 16 2012 01:27. Posts 2840 | Profile # |
Some gamer demands are entirely reasonable, most are not.
It's easy for publishers to ignore gamer demands by painting them all as unreasonable. They do this at their peril. |
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 zalz Netherlands. March 16 2012 01:29. Posts 3291 | Profile Blog # |
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry. |
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| SeaSwift Scotland. March 16 2012 01:31. Posts 4485 | Profile Blog # |
On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
Really? I don't know anything about this - what do you mean by that? |
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| goiflin Canada. March 16 2012 01:34. Posts 1019 | Profile Blog # |
On March 16 2012 01:25 Tobberoth wrote:
I think it's a difficult subject. Yeah, people who whine about day 1 DLC are perfectly right, but there's a bigger picture here. Check user ratings on metacritic for... pretty much any big game. Filled with BS, take MW3 for example. User score is horrible for ridiculous reasons, and that's where over entitlement starts to make sense, when your demands aren't reasonable. "I don't like this kind of game, so it shouldn't have been made. it sucks because it was made, period".
So? It's an opinion site. They're inviting shit like that by asking for the opinions of a community that has a lot of blind fanboying. That doesn't make us entitled for labling something like MW3 as shit ignorantly. It just makes us zealots. Us demanding that the game doesn't get made makes no difference anyway.
And most demands aren't unreasonable. I don't know why people think not being nickled and dimed for content that we used to get for free is unreasonable. |
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| Fireflies United Kingdom. March 16 2012 01:35. Posts 198 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 01:31 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
Really? I don't know anything about this - what do you mean by that?
Publishers buy advertising in magazines and on websites. These mags and websites review the products being sold by these publishers. Giving bad reviews to big titles (like ME3) risks upsetting the publishers and their money. |
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| solidbebe Netherlands. March 16 2012 01:35. Posts 3232 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 01:31 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
Really? I don't know anything about this - what do you mean by that?
Publishers giving reviewers their games early so they can review them early and get alot of traffic, in turn the games receive really high scores with almost no negativity. |
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| jeppew Sweden. March 16 2012 01:35. Posts 368 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
well it's not just critics, it's publishers and developers as well. Bioware would be the most recent example. |
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| b0lt United States. March 16 2012 01:36. Posts 601 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 01:31 SeaSwift wrote:
Show nested quote +On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
Really? I don't know anything about this - what do you mean by that?
Video game reviewers basically always have to spin games from big publishers positively, and if you don't you (allegedly) get fired for it. |
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| EternaLLegacy United States. March 16 2012 01:40. Posts 410 | Profile Blog # |
The gaming industry is just a subset of the entertainment industry. Major publishers are in bed with government and receive subsidies based on how much garbage they push through, so they have no incentive to actually listen to customers. The difference in quality between small indie studios and major titles is striking. Hell, look at the garbage that is Starcraft 2 and bnet2. Companies that fail their customers should go out of business so that new companies can emerge which do a better job of giving people what they want.
Entitlement is a term that should be reserved for the corporations that ask for handouts from government, not consumers. Consumers are always right. |
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| mrafaeldie12 Brazil. March 16 2012 01:47. Posts 534 | Profile # |
When we have an actual media with decent journalism we can talk about entitlement. But IMHO, if you pay 60 bucks or whatever for a game, you're entitled to its content. If its total garbage, fire away.
The consumer is always "entitled" to everything he consumes, he bought it ffs. |
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| kittendealer Canada. March 16 2012 01:48. Posts 4 | Profile # |
i totaly agree with TB on this .cheers m8.
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| Derez Netherlands. March 16 2012 01:50. Posts 4483 | Profile Blog # |
On March 16 2012 01:29 zalz wrote:
Videogame critics.
Honestly who cares what any of them say. There is no industry more corrupt to the core than the videogame reviewing industry.
I would like to point you towards the running magazine shoe review industry. The simple fact is that nearly all review magazines (in all fields) depend on advertising bought by the people they are reviewing. You shouldn't take any of it seriously.Last edit: 2012-03-16 01:50:49 |
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| caradoc Canada. March 16 2012 01:51. Posts 2892 | Profile Blog # |
I feel entitled to an OP that doesn't require me to visit 3 other sources in order to understand the conversation.
But had I read them (I have) I would probably say that the videogame industry and community is ahead of the curve on this one-- more traditional industries aren't as connected. The fact that we're all online and talking to each other makes the industry itself more participatory, so I can only imagine other industries will follow suit eventually.
The medium is the message after all =P Last edit: 2012-03-16 01:57:13 |
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| StarStruck March 16 2012 01:58. Posts 18344 | Profile # |
On March 16 2012 01:21 solidbebe wrote:
I pretty much agree with TB. As I usually do. That man is just the epitomy of levelheaded reason.
Levelheaded and TB? Do they even go together. O_O |
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| Mordiford March 16 2012 02:09. Posts 4107 | Profile # |
The way TotalBiscuit comes off in that video is a little extreme for this topic in my opinion. This can go back to the MLG PPV thing as well, people were throwing around the word entitlement there as well and it's kind of irrelevant. Quite simply, value is subjective when it comes to things like this, I said quite simply that I didn't think a PPV Starcraft event was worth my $20. Some people thought it was worth their $20.
This applies to Mass Effect 3 as well, some people honestly thing that the game as is on launch is worth $60 and don't want to deny themselves the experience to make a statement. Sure, it could be better but the game at launch that they see, is something they can value at $60 or however much was charged for it. I haven't purchased(or pirated) a game in a long time simply because I don't have the time to justify the payment for a potential segment of a gaming experience, some people have the time, the money and the willingness to buy.
I think it's just as unfair to say that the people buying the games are fucking everything up as it is to say that people who are complaining have "gamer entitlement". It's just a different value placed on a product.
Do you think Mass Effect 3 as is on launch is worth $60? Do you think Street Fighter vs Tekken as is on launch is worth however much it costs? Do you think MLG Winter Arena is worth $20?
That's all it comes down to. If your answer is "No", you're not poor and you don't necessarily suffer from gamer entitlement. If your answer is "Yes", you're not a sucker or a dick who is screwing up the market.
That's my take on it.Last edit: 2012-03-16 02:11:29 |
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| Chargelot March 16 2012 02:16. Posts 2274 | Profile Blog # |
The consumer is entitled? What a shocking revelation. It's like.. fucking capitalism or something. The consumer can choose to purchase the product their money is worth, and if they don't like the way someone does business, they don't buy from them. Holy shit. Guys this is a brilliant idea.
If you buy a product, and you're not satisfied, and then you buy from the company who made that product again, and you're still not satisfied, and you do it yet a third time, you're too stupid to have the right to complain.
If you don't like paying for car insurance, don't buy a fucking car.
If you don't want to buy ME3 DLCs, don't buy them.
If you don't think ME3 is worth $60 as it is at launch, don't buy it.
You are entitled to your opinion, but if your opinion is "I'm going to bitch about your products, but I'm still going to buy them all", you've essentially given up any right to demand things. I don't get to complain about how hot it is if I'm wearing a winter jacket in the desert during summer.Last edit: 2012-03-16 02:19:11 |
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| NEOtheONE United States. March 16 2012 02:27. Posts 1714 | Profile # |
Calling the people complaining about ME3 "entitled" is sheer stupidity. If you go to a movie and it's so bad that you walk out of it, then you are probably going to ask for a refund. And gamers are simply asking for a better ending rather than a full blown refund. Though honestly, I'd be demanding a refund for giving me the consumer a big "F U" in your game.
The gaming industry should not be allowed to get away with BNET 0.2, Madden 2013 (14, 15, 16), CoD MW 17. It's not entitlement, it's called make your darn product up to a reasonable standard and don't just slap on a little new content and sell a sequel for full price. Madden/Baseball/Basketball games should have a paid patch $10-20 that updates the rosters rather than paying $60 for a new game. Maybe every 3-5 years completely redo the game because of graphics and such. The gaming industry gets away with veritable murder and when we complain about it, they tell us to STFU and stop being entitled cry babies. I call bullshit.
Also, I participated in the boycott of Left 4 Dead 2, and I never bought it. But guess what, it still sold well. Sometimes you have to do more than boycott. Sometimes you have to protest and complain.Last edit: 2012-03-16 02:31:03 |
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