Teacher in trouble for reading Ender's Game - Page 12

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On March 16 2012 22:37 Geisterkarle wrote:
Just a few days ago I read something similar about a teacher in Switzerland:
http://www.unifr.ch/oeffrecht/SVVOR/assets/files/Dienstrecht/Das%20Magazin%20Nr.%209.pdf (.pdf, German!)

He read some "high literature" with some things in it, that could be pornographic. Because it was also before kids of ~14 he was suspected of being a pedophile and got a full search of his home! They found some "artistic nude" (nude meaning not totally nude, but "posing" in a "sexual context" ... whatever this means...) pictures and a court found him guilt of possession of child pornography. Lost his job and got on the "black list" so he can never ever teach again...
Don't know if I should mention, that all children, he taught, all colleagues, friends and people that knew him were saying that any accusation of him being a pedophile are crap ...

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On March 16 2012 07:18 oBlade wrote:
Fahrenheit 451 should be required reading for everyone involved in this "story."

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On March 16 2012 22:47 Denis Lachance wrote:


Were they pictures of "Artistic nude" children? In which case, it points heavily in that direction...

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On March 16 2012 07:10 Requizen wrote:
Source:
http://www.aikenstandard.com/story/0315Followup-with-school--3862406

tl:dr - Teacher reads Ender's Game to her class as part of an attempt to get kids more interested in reading. 14 year old kid tells his mom, she complains to the school, teacher is put on "leave".

I read Ender's Game (and indeed most of the series) around that age or younger, and it didn't scar me in any lasting way, in fact, it made me more interested in reading in general. However, I suppose I'm not indicative of every child that age. I also read Animorphs (which was actually really violent, reflecting back on it), and I don't know if those would pass the test either.

Do you think Orson Scott Card's books are too "pornographic" or offensive? How about other books that are written for that age range?

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On March 16 2012 08:41 TheWestWind wrote:
Sorry my friends, but if you read this book in your early or mid adolescence, your critical capacity to understand the kind of violence porn that it really is was not fully functional, especially if you are identifying strongly with Ender. Which is the way the character was designed after all.

Did you know Ender's Game is required reading for US Marine Corps and Officers, as an exercise in how to justify violence?

Additionally, OSC has many personal views that many on this forum would find disgusting, including advocating the use of violence against consenting homosexual adults and denying evolution and climate change.

Not to be surprised though, nerds love their Ender's Game.

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On March 16 2012 23:01 Fyrewolf wrote:


What? Required reading for Marine Corps and Officers.... for how to justify violence?
The book is a giant statement AGAINST how military training brainwashes people. That's why Ender becomes the Speaker for the Dead.

Just lol at that analysis calling it "pornography"... what a crock of bullshit by someone that completely missed the point of the novel, and bashes the plot as a result of his own inability to comprehend it. That was probably one of the worst analysis I've seen of anything.

This book is an Adult book, not a "Young Adult" book. It is about young adults, but the book is intended for adults. Common mistake of publishers.

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On March 16 2012 23:01 Fyrewolf wrote:


What? Required reading for Marine Corps and Officers.... for how to justify violence?
The book is a giant statement AGAINST how military training brainwashes people. That's why Ender becomes the Speaker for the Dead.

Just lol at that analysis calling it "pornography"... what a crock of bullshit by someone that completely missed the point of the novel, and bashes the plot as a result of his own inability to comprehend it. That was probably one of the worst analysis I've seen of anything.

This book is an Adult book, not a "Young Adult" book. It is about young adults, but the book is intended for adults. Common mistake of publishers.

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On March 17 2012 02:42 TheWestWind wrote:


Well, lets see your analysis of that analysis where you show how it missed the point. Or perhaps this one.

http://www4.ncsu.edu/~tenshi/Killer_000.htm

"The result is a character who exterminates an entire race and yet remains fundamentally innocent. The purpose of this paper is to examine the methods Card uses to construct this story of a guiltless genocide, to point out some contradictions inherent in this scenario, and to raise questions about the intention-based morality advocated by Ender’s Game and Speaker for the Dead."

Also, your message is pretty worthless.

Just LOL at Ender's Game. It is such a 'crock of bullshit' by a fundamentalist asshole who 'completely misses' the point of morality and uses clever writing to take advantage of his target audiences emotions. Ender is one of the worst written characters I've read of anywhere.

^^See how easy that is? Not to mention annoying.

Actual adults don't argue like that. When they disagree with another argument they use reason and evidence to either disprove it or present a counter-argument.

John Kessel (see above) also has some thoughts on why Ender's Game is so popular.

"I would suggest that the methods of evasion that I have delineated in the text, and their congruency with the psychology of adolescence, offer an explanation for the novel’s deep and broad popularity."

But if you love Ender's Game you should really read that paper.

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