I'm a lurker to the team liquid forums, but the Game of Thrones theme caught me eye.
I'd love to join!
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Oberyn
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I'm a lurker to the team liquid forums, but the Game of Thrones theme caught me eye. I'd love to join! /in | ||
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On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote: hi I'm vanilla town Lets trust this guy. | ||
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On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote: Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain. Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what. Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party? Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here. What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game. /sandroba I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him. On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote: moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote: Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia. We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information. On March 21 2012 23:06 Xatalos wrote: (At least we now get to see some interesting reactions, I hope! Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet... Some people haven't said anything at all yet, and I can't wait to see what they say. At this rate there will be a huge amount of data to base lynch votes on ) This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts. | ||
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On March 22 2012 09:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: HEY! arcosomething and gumshoes are likely town you morons. Oberyn however is scum with his 4 random quotes and a very bland and carefully constructed post. Let's kill Oberyn gogogo. Carefully constructed? Since when is that only a mafia trait? Do you disagree with any of the points that I made? You certainly are in no position to call my posts bland based on your contributions. On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote: Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place? As poor as this suggestion is, I feel that it is unlikely that a scum aligned gumshoe would have the confidence to actively push a scum agenda and publicly blue fish in the thread. On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote: I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much. just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. I hardly see how you've managed to generate pressure on greymist with your vote. Do you intend to explain what these reasons are or is it a secret? It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much. | ||
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gumshoe I'm split on gumshoe. On one hand, the sheer amount of nonsense in his filter is incredible. Lynching wherebugsgo, electing a mayor, calling a player "blue", "green", or "red". The part I'm struggling with is that a newbie mafia player, like gumshoe, would honestly attempt to destroy the thread with crazy discussion and publicly blue fish for a role claim, hours into the game. If anything, the most concerning part of his play is that he hasn't provided any legitimate scum read. For this reason alone, I'm willing to consider him as mafia. Zealos He takes five posts to vote for ON. Maybe I should follow suit so my filter reaches two pages and people stop accusing me of lurking -_- I'd say he is town for now based on his willingness to share his opinion. Acrofales He is the last person I've read through and I'm hungry. He seems to have posted a lot, so I'll give him the benefit of the doubt for now -_- I'll catch up on him later today and comment if requested. Mattchew Page one of his filter seems to be dedicated to trolling and spamming. Page two of his filter seems to be dedicated to defending himself. I don't really care about whether or not his "pressure" did anything, as it was hours into the game. To claim that it proves he is town would be false, but to also indicate that he is scum because of it would also be false. I had written up a case on why I believed him to be scum, but I wasn't satisfied with it. I dislike his lynch choices, but I don't feel there is enough evidence to make me think he isn't town. Oberyn I like this guy. I dislike the obvious bandwagon against him. risk.nuke His case on GreYMisT could have probably been condensed to 3-4 sentences rather than an entire page. He essentially calls GreYMisT a liar for his "lynch wherebugsgo" post. I find it incredibly difficult to believe that risk.nuke truly believes that GreYMisT was advocating a lynch for a player who was mod-confirmed non-lynchable. Is this honestly one of the pillars of your case? I would like risk to respond to this because it seems incredibly scummy to misrepresent his intentions. The comments on GreYMisT's lack of contribution, however, are reasonable. I would consider risk.nuke for a lynch, but he isn't my main preference for today. SamuelLJackson As a team of town well-known veteran players, I would have expected them to take a town-leader position. Unfortunately, it appears they seek to use their name to direct lynches, rather than arguments and logic. They respond over-aggressively to GreyMisT's obvious joke and seem to be putting little effort into establishing their innocence. Rather than providing an actual case against myself, they repeat my name without providing reasoning and simply question others if they are willing to vote for me. The only reason they've provided for thinking that I am scum is that my post was "careful". If being careful was truly my priority, I wouldn't allow myself to be put into the lurker category. I simply wasn't home for the majority of yesterday. Considering the benefit these two players could provide if they actually start caring and providing more solid reads once there is more information to work with, I'll give them a pass on day one. wherebugsgo On March 22 2012 13:49 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 13:21 Oberyn wrote: wherebugsgo, I understand it may be tempting to troll the game because you know that you cannot be killed, but I ask that you limit the spam to make the game enjoyable for the rest of us. You don't have to destroy the thread to achieve your win condition. On March 22 2012 09:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: HEY! arcosomething and gumshoes are likely town you morons. Oberyn however is scum with his 4 random quotes and a very bland and carefully constructed post. Let's kill Oberyn gogogo. Carefully constructed? Since when is that only a mafia trait? Do you disagree with any of the points that I made? You certainly are in no position to call my posts bland based on your contributions. On March 22 2012 02:41 gumshoe wrote: Acrofales seeing as your lynch is getting to be pretty likely maybe you should role claim? It could help your case, also why did you vote for Mattchew in the first place? As poor as this suggestion is, I feel that it is unlikely that a scum aligned gumshoe would have the confidence to actively push a scum agenda and publicly blue fish in the thread. On March 22 2012 09:24 risk.nuke wrote: On March 22 2012 09:20 risk.nuke wrote: I want to kill greymist and gumshoe about equally much. just to clarify, my original vote for greymist was pressure and I want to lynch him now for other reasons. I hardly see how you've managed to generate pressure on greymist with your vote. Do you intend to explain what these reasons are or is it a secret? It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much. you guys are gonna ignore me anyway, so why should I listen to you? I'MA TROLL ALL I WANT LOLOLOLOL I dislike you as a human being. OriginalName From what I can tell from his profile, this player seems like a veteran, but his filter is completely underwhelming. I would expect more from him if he really had the town's best interests in mind, so I'll say that I'm leaning scum on him. Alderan Alderan and Acrofales aren't the same person? -_- I'm leaning scum on Alderan. The reads that he has provided are incredibly weak. He uses language such as "tough to tell" and "bizzare", rather than coming to conclusions. In addition, he appears appologetic, which is generally a mafia trait and hasn't actually provided a strong scum suspect. MrZentor Null. chaoser I wouldn't consider chaoser for a lynch today. He appears to be attempting to generate discussion and appears to care about the game, which is a lot more than you can say for several others. My only question to him would be: what type of response would you have had to get from Acro to come to a scum conclusion? As scum, I know I could simply random vote and claim to be generating discussion, without actually doing anything. You came to the conclusion that he was a newbie, but I could have told you that before the game started. Nicolas Apparently requesting to replace out. Generally town players are more likely to replace out than scum, but that kinda goes into heuristics, rather than anything to rely on. I guess we give him a pass and see what his replacement comes up with. Risen I can't claim to have an opinion one way or another with his limited posts. His limited posts have involved wherebugsgo. If we decide to lynch an inactive, he would be my preference, but I'd rather lynch someone who has actually been posting to generate more information. Lyter Nothing worth commenting on. A potential vig shot target. Xatalos Too many smileys. I wish I was a happy person like him The way he is moving his vote around and seems to care about the lynch target makes me think he is town. GreYMisT I would consider himself one of my top three scum reads. Each day a player chooses to comment on the ideas they find relevant to discuss. The topics GreYMisT has chosen don't really do much for town moving forward. He lists his two lynch candidates in a single sentence, rather than providing a case or reasoning. As a veteran, I don't see how he is working for the town's best interest, rather than making the occasional safe contribution. DoYouHas meh I dislike the fact that he is sheeping someone else's opinion, rather than providing his own lynch target, but the rest of his posts don't jump out at me. Sinensis Sinensis criticizes one-post wonders in his post, but at the time of his post, actually only has one post himself. His post on gumshoe doesn't add anything to the discussion, making a generic statement about reading comprehension. He appears to be summarizing, rather than analyzing, but at least his FOS's attempt to generate discussion, even if they aren't backed up with much support. evantrees I can't help, but question why people are attacking me over someone like evantrees. He appears to have a history of one line spam, but his current contributions are 100% unacceptable. Why isn't anyone pressuring him to post? I would strongly consider a vig shot on him tonight if he doesn't shape up. layabout On March 22 2012 21:13 layabout wrote: Most of what he said is focussed on general topics that are easy to post about like why a no-lynch is bad, why we should/shouldn't focus on lurkers etc... . Whilst town can often get wrapped up in such discussion it isn't all that helpful. The first half of day one is used to discuss the setup and town policy, while getting everyone to post something. The second half of day one is used to discuss lynch candidates and decide on a lynch. I could go and call person X scum who has two posts, but that is no difference from a random lynch. Now that people have started to post, there is more information to make a case. On March 22 2012 21:13 layabout wrote: He contradicts himself here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14012509 Show nested quote + This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=14019577 Show nested quote + It's getting late here so I'll post my lynch preferences in the morning. Hopefully there will be more content to analyze by then because right now it seems like the vast majority of players have yet to post much. That is not a contradiction. The first post lacks conclusions, the second post promises future conclusions when its not 4am in the morning. Layabout is underachieving this game, compared to some of the games in his past history. On March 22 2012 21:27 layabout wrote: Is directly asking for a role claim scummy? I would be more inclined to vote for somebody that is trying to tell me that it is. cough Nicolas cough I agree with this post (but not necessarily that Nicolas should be lynched today) and feel he should have one more day to get on track. | ||
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On March 23 2012 07:40 gumshoe wrote: Oberon what do you think of Layabout? I think there are better lynches today, such as GreYMisT or Alderan. If Layabout never shows up today to contribute a lynch target, then I'm willing to lynch him. | ||
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On March 23 2012 13:09 chaoser wrote: Oberyn, I asked you some questions in my previous post, Can you please answer them? I think I covered most of them in my previous long post, was there anything you wanted me to elaborate on? You comment on risk.nuke's misrepresentation of GreYMisT's joke, but you don't comment on GreYMisT himself. Would you consider lynching him? On March 23 2012 04:07 GreYMisT wrote: I'm fine with lynching Oberyn or Gumshoe, though it seems I won't get my gummy wish today. ##Unvote: Gumshoe ##Vote: Oberyn On March 23 2012 08:23 GreYMisT wrote: One thing I am not comfortable with this game is the posting of Sandro/Syllo. Not enough for me to call for their lynch right off the bat, but come on guys, posting "X is town, Y is Scum" now "Z is Scum, X and Y are both town" are not good enough reasons for me, nor have they ever been. Apparently it is more than good reason for you. How is what they did any different for you're statement? Not once do you explain why I am scum. There has been more than enough time for you to move your vote to a preferred lynch candidate, but you haven't offered us anything. Here are your contributions this game: -Make a joke about lynching wherebugsgo -Explain that it was a joke -Inform a player there isn't a mayor election -Shoot down a blue fish that obviously was a poor idea -Pointing out that ON hasn't posted -Vote for myself without providing any reasoning I see no evidence that you care about town. ##Vote: GreYMisT | ||
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On March 24 2012 01:52 GreYMisT wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2012 23:07 Oberyn wrote: On March 21 2012 16:48 wherebugsgo wrote: hi I'm vanilla town Lets trust this guy. You also made a joke at the start of the game, this isn't scummy, just ironic. Evidence against you was already stated in the thread, but I will be happy to provide it again if that is your wish. lol my case is hardly based on the fact that you made a joke. I'm just pointing out that every single one of your posts haven't been focused on hunting scum. Why does it take me to prompt you for a case? A town player should provide a case and lead the town towards their desired lynch, not provide one 24 hours later after asked. On March 24 2012 01:52 GreYMisT wrote: + Show Spoiler + On March 22 2012 01:57 Oberyn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 01:35 SamuelLJackson wrote: On March 22 2012 01:20 GreYMisT wrote: Guys I say we lynch Wherebugsgo, just to be certain. Sand/Syllo can you guys sign you posts? It makes it a lot easier for the rest of us to keep track of who thinks what. Xatalos, I'm interested on what you think about Wherebugsgo/littlefinger. How do you think we should go about interacting with him now that we know he is 3rd party? Also i would like to assure everyone that even though I am hosting Aperture Mafia, the science will not keep me from being active here. What part of MODCONFIRMED UNLYNCHABLE/UNKILLABLE do you not understand? Next person that discusses wbg or engages in any useless conversation with him get's my vote. Consider it like he is not even playing in this game. /sandroba I definitely agree with this. We shouldn't allow players to pretend to contribute by speculating on a role that has little impact on the events of the first few days. If wherebugsgo wants to coordinate with town to somehow mutually achieve our goals, then that's fine, but otherwise it is best to ignore him. Show nested quote + On March 22 2012 01:50 gumshoe wrote: moving on lets discuss policy(it'll only take a bit and we may as well get it over with early on) do we set a preliminary lynch deadline?(im leaning 8 hours in advance if we do) Do we policy lynch hardcore lurkers?(by hardcore I mean like 3 one liners a cycle, personally for this because lynching lurkers always helps clear the air a bit and they werent helping anyway so nothing really lost) are we going to elect a mayor?( I've never done this before so I dont know how that works) If you want to discuss policy, then why are you just giving a bunch of questions? You should share what your actual opinion is. A no-lynch should be out of the question as this person suggests: Show nested quote + On March 21 2012 23:39 Xatalos wrote: Ah, damn it... No editing! However, I just thought that since you HAVE to vote every day, it might not be such a bad idea to throw random votes early. In my previous Mafia games it was common not to lynch anyone on the first day, and wait for clues on the second day. When people random lynched on the first day, it usually just meant an easier win for the Mafia. We don't accomplish anything and obtain no information if everyone gets a free pass on day one. Lurkers should be pressured to post, but the day one lynch shouldn't only be focused on people without posts since it is also tough to generate information. Show nested quote + On March 21 2012 23:06 Xatalos wrote: (At least we now get to see some interesting reactions, I hope! Acrofales had a quite interesting reaction, too, although it doesn't necessarily mean Mafia yet... Some people haven't said anything at all yet, and I can't wait to see what they say. At this rate there will be a huge amount of data to base lynch votes on ) This is a sketchy post. What does "interesting" mean? Is it scummy? You should draw conclusions rather than tell us that you look forward to reading peoples posts. A big post of nothing, the first 3/4ths of this post are you agreeing with people and saying "like what this person said" and then quoteing what they said. Only at the very end to you contribute, in a very weird way. You basically dont call Xatalos scummy with his sketchy post, you instead just respond in a null fashion, and don't pursue the matter further. What more was there to say? I didn't pursue the matter further because I now have a town read on him. Am I scummy because I changed my opinion? It should be noted that this is the only post that was made at the time of GreYMisT's vote. He got caught on a bandwagon and now is trying to justify not moving his vote. On March 24 2012 01:52 GreYMisT wrote: Afterwards he makes a massive post on his thoughts on every player in the game, Which for some reason seems to have sated all of you. why? posts like that are easy for scum because They know everyone's alignment! I'd like to ask every player in the game to read this quote. Scum HATE to comment on every single player in the game. It means they have to give reads on their scum buddies, which can later come back to haunt them. In addition, it severely limits their options with the lynch, if they call a player town and then are forced to vote for the player to save a scum buddy. You attack me for not providing an opinion, you attack me for providing an opinion. On March 24 2012 01:52 GreYMisT wrote: Of particular note is his section on mattchew, where he says he had a great case written up on him being scum, but then decided not to post it. Why would you not share this if you are town? On March 23 2012 04:50 Oberyn wrote: Mattchew I don't really care about whether or not his "pressure" did anything, as it was hours into the game. To claim that it proves he is town would be false, but to also indicate that he is scum because of it would also be false. I had written up a case on why I believed him to be scum, but I wasn't satisfied with it. I dislike his lynch choices, but I don't feel there is enough evidence to make me think he isn't town. It is the exact opposite. I had a case on mattchew, but after writing it I determined it was a POOR case, not great case. Again, am I scum for changing my opinion based on the evidence available? On March 24 2012 01:52 GreYMisT wrote: And finally his "analysis" against me, which basically amounted to I've been busy and its day 1. At this point he has noticed that he will not be lynched, so he throws a vote on me. And yet notice that he does not comment on Mattchew, the leader in votes, at all. Why? Did he not say he had a case written up on him being scum? if he thought that would help wouldn't he post it? If he now made a 180 and now thinks matt is town, why not try to dissuade us? Again, you are misrepresenting my posts. Why focus on defending a player who could be town when my real focus should be on attacking a player I believe is scum? You haven't contributed anything in a pro-town manner. Why is nobody, but myself (and risk.nuke) consider him for a lynch? ##Vote GreYMisT | ||
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On March 23 2012 17:22 SamuelLJackson wrote: I only joined the game because I was asked to because Sandroba says he can't play otherwise; I didn't have much interetest in playing and I do not intend to post unless I have to. You signed up for the game, so that means you are expected to put in a full effort. If you aren't interested you should find a sub. If you use this as an excuse not to contribute, I can only conclude that you are scum. Earlier you mentioned that you could lynch Greymist for the lols. Why wouldn't you consider him a serious candidate, rather than a troll vote? Do you find merit in his case against myself from a town mindset? How is his play different from LayAbout's? chaoser, you haven't provided input in a while. Where you at? | ||
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On March 24 2012 04:45 SamuelLJackson wrote: It's sandro here. Good point, just looked at his filter and evantrees is a nice lynch too. However layabout is recieving some resistance with no good reason, which entices me even more to get him lynched. I'll leave it up to you guys, but I wouldn't mind lynching evantrees either. Seems to me that you're not interested in taking much responsibility for this lynch, | ||
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On March 24 2012 07:18 wherebugsgo wrote: Show nested quote + On March 24 2012 07:13 GreYMisT wrote: Are we serious? The town has collectively switched lynch targets 3 times in the past 24 hours. Make up your own minds for God's sake. This is one of the most frustrating day 1's I have seen in quite some time. rofl you liar, you love it. cause you're scum. He's that scum you need to kill to fulfill your win condition. He told me so. You should vote with me! | ||
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On March 26 2012 05:00 MrZentor wrote: My theory is that Evantrees is a paranoid gun owner. I don't think any medic would have healed him, and SLJ was definitely not lying about killing him. Mafia have 2 kills, right? They could have shot DoYouHas twice, or they could have shot him once and SLJ once. They could have had another victim that didn't die. At any rate, it's possible(and I think probable) that mafia didn't kill SLJ. Are you trying to come up with an explanation to show that you don't have knowledge of the mafia night actions or something? I don't see how this is the conclusion a town player comes to. chaoser 's post on the possible scenarios was incredibly useless. I don't care about hypotheticals, I want his opinion about which scenario he believes to be true. My gut says that a scum player doesn't offer himself up in a 1:1 trade. Worst case scenario: He dies today. Best case scenario: He dies tomorrow. At the time of the claim, he wasn't in a position that would force him to claim to survive a lynch. What concerns me is that he doesn't offer up a name claim. Could you address your reasoning Risen? useless bugs role speculation + Show Spoiler + Perhaps at the beginning of every cycle he must submit a name and has to get that player lynched? With him winning after leading 3 or so lynches? | ||
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On March 26 2012 08:10 wherebugsgo wrote: There is nothing to suggest evantrees is scum because there very well could be two roleblockers, evantrees could be a veteran, evantrees could have been protected or jailed, and evantrees could be PGO. Since the OP states that roles can be on either side, it doesn't make a difference what evantrees's alignment is; we have no idea why he survived. I assumed players are informed if they take a hit, but perhaps this isn't a safe assumption to make. If that is the case, then evantrees would have claimed, meaning the only reasonable possibilities would be a scum evantrees, two roleblockers, or a lying wherebugsgo. On March 26 2012 08:10 wherebugsgo wrote: Also, timing of the claim IS relevant. Scum generally claim earlier in the day than townies would, often in positions where normally townies would not feel as threatened. Don't believe me? Look at chaoser's DT claim from XLIV, or Palmar's cop claim from Some Mafia Game, or my jailkeeper claim from Mini X. In all of these situations mafia claim in a spot where it will shift potential lynch attention onto the target of their choice. From a mafia perspective it's all about buying time, and the longer town discussion is held up on false ideas and leads, the easier it is for the remaining mafia to hide. If you've noticed, this claim has destroyed all discussion of any suspects outside of Risen and potentially Acro. If Risen flips scum we still have to find 3 more scum, and we have few leads from today. That's a win for scum if they thought Risen was going to die anyway. I disagree. A scum claim is a sign of desperation or survival. They do not want the additional attention, unless it means that its going to further their agenda. Do you think a 1 for 1 trade on day two furthers their agenda? | ||
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On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote: bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either. Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion? Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case. Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion. | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:27 chaoser wrote: Show nested quote + On March 27 2012 00:48 Oberyn wrote: On March 27 2012 00:37 chaoser wrote: bump...come on guys, only 8 more hours till deadline and this thread is pretty dead. we can still talk about other stuff aside from risen. not everyone has spoken/taken a side either. Do you intented to actually provide other stuff to talk about or only pretend to generate discussion? Risen, why didn't you include a name in your initial role claim? Disappearing isn't helping your case. Xatalos, to be clear are you voting for Risen because you think he is scum or because there are 8+ votes on him? What is your excuse for not posting ON? I don't see how a town player can go 72 hours without providing their opinion. I generated discussion all of yesterday. where the hell were you? oh right, you were being wishy washy on your thoughts on risen. I'd hardly call your little chart of possibilities much of a contribution. The only other thing you've provided is misrepresenting a 1:1 trade for a 6:1 trade. The night hits are going to resolve whether we lynch a scum player or not. You come up with this conspiracy PGO theory, but that honestly can't be the explanation you think is most likely. worst case scenario, a mafia risen gets lynched day two best case scenario, mafia gets a single mislynch and limits discussion and a mafia risen gets lynched day three I don't understand how you call this a great plan. | ||
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On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote: limiting discussion in the opening days is huge. because not only is discussion limited but it also allows mafia two free nights to kill off the best players. your "best case scenario" is a lot worse for us than you're making it out to be. Finding and killing a mafia in the opening days is huge as well. The first is always the most difficult to find, it leads to connections to find other mafia players, the kp reduction snowballs, and the mafia has less influence midgame. On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote: And I didn't say that explanation was the most likely; I stated it because you tried to imply it was "just" a 1:1 trade when we have no knowledge that leads us to successfully come to this conclusion since WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE MAFIA ARE THINKING! Correct. It is our job to analyze the part that the mafia is most likely thinking. On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote: Just look at LoTR with the neutral balrog claim that came out of nowhere and then kita's tracker claim on me. It took town almost two extra days to finally decide to lynch iGrok and all the way till the end of the game to decide kita was mafia cause they thought "mafia wouldn't do that". Recently I read that game since it was recommended and I think those situations are different. A third party claim and a tracker claim serve different purposes. The first one is a play to be ignored until endgame and the second is an attempt to get the serial killer lynched and maintain thread control. Neither are limited by the fact that the claim can be likely disproved in a single cycle. On March 27 2012 01:54 chaoser wrote: If you had to lynch three people right now, who would they be? Out of acro and risen, who would you lynch? I think Arco would be the better lynch at this point. As there are still seven hours, its possible to have the situation deal with itself and allow Risen to continue to provide checks or tie up the roleblocker with the threat of a tracker or watcher. Future lynches would have to be based on today's flip, but I still think Greymist would be a good lynch. | ||
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March 27 2012 00:26 GMT
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Time to listen to everyone explain how bad Risen is and try to convince themselves that their vote was perfectly reasonable. Maybe if I were a vet, my opinion wouldn't immediately be deemed invalid. | ||
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